driedmango Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 When can you consider the smokey season over ? I think i will move to chiang mai at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 When can you consider the smokey season over ? I think i will move to chiang mai at this point. When it's too wet to light fires. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driedmango Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 after the burning season in the north is the air clean ? Is the daily pollution from traffic in Chiang mai as bad as bangkok ? where is there clean air in Thailand.. I am looking for clean air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraSnakeNecktie Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 after the burning season in the north is the air clean ? Is the daily pollution from traffic in Chiang mai as bad as bangkok ? where is there clean air in Thailand.. I am looking for clean air the air is cleaned when the rains start.. That could be as late as May or in some years much earlier.. Hard to predict... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anselpixel Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Doi Suthep late afternoon view February 13, 2013, and a view to the north on the following morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siamamerican Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 What is wrong with the pollution sensors in the city? CM has been the cleanest city in Thailand the last 2 days. The current reading at city hall is 11. I'm guessing it is nearing 80 but would like to know. Not a bad year so far and after arriving in early December I thought it was going to be a repeat of last year. No hacking cough or sledge in the lungs. Leaving in 2 weeks to escape the worst of it so with any luck I will have survived CM smog, dust, and burning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESmith Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 What is wrong with the pollution sensors in the city? CM has been the cleanest city in Thailand the last 2 days. The current reading at city hall is 11. I'm guessing it is nearing 80 but would like to know. You're looking at NO2 reading, not PM10 @ NO DATA today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driedmango Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 How bad do you think this season might be and why ? I am kind of in limbo until the smoke lifts then I want to study in Chiang mai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siamamerican Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 What is wrong with the pollution sensors in the city? CM has been the cleanest city in Thailand the last 2 days. The current reading at city hall is 11. I'm guessing it is nearing 80 but would like to know. You're looking at NO2 reading, not PM10 @ NO DATA today Thanks, just checked and reading is 76. Not great but can live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapguy Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The latest brief bulletin of the Chiang Mai News is here: http://www.chiangmai...ews.php?id=1410 Also attached are a diagram of PM particle size and a WHO article on how PM affects health. PM Particle Size Illustration.pdf HOW PM Harms Health (WHO).pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapguy Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Here's another "article" from Chiang Mai Mail: http://www.chiangmai...rent/news.shtml Nice picture of a field on fire, but not of soldiers putting it out. That's what the PR release printed by the Mail is about. OK, Chiang Mai News and Chiang Mai Mail, how about some real reporting based on interviews with enforcement and fire fighting officials, such as: How many fires have been reported and mapped so far in December 2012 and in this calendar year? How many arrests and where have they been made so far this year? How many court cases are there or fines and other penalties have been levied? How many fires has the Army put out this year and where? Will agencies make public weekly reports? If not, why not? And while you are at it, you might ask the Governor's office what reports the governor is getting, and will he make them public. Time to walk the walk, not talk the talk. Edited February 16, 2013 by Mapguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglechef Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Any numbers on the PM-10 and/or PM-2.5 levels considered safe. For PM-10 I remember it was 100 in Thailand but seems to be 80 on most recent info I could find. WHO lists 80. Interested in what it is in USA, thought I saw 50 previously. Anybody have any data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikster Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 since the official website is hard to negotiate (and doesn't work on mobile - kind of what you'd expect from a government site...) 140 today... not so good; serious season has begun... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglechef Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 since the official website is hard to negotiate (and doesn't work on mobile - kind of what you'd expect from a government site...) 140 today... not so good; serious season has begun... Where are these from? Is there a site I can look up this data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESmith Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 since the official website is hard to negotiate (and doesn't work on mobile - kind of what you'd expect from a government site...) 140 today... not so good; serious season has begun... Where are these from? Is there a site I can look up this data? http://aqmthai.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapguy Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 An interactive website has been set up to monitor fires: www.thaiforestfire.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Dog Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 We were out mountain biking in the hills today and I remarked how dry it was up there. Tonight, you can see where the locals are walking on the ridges setting fires and causing these bright pearls of light that go on for miles. I am sure the fellow or fellows walking up there have no idea about the current pressures to stop the burning. It was a very clear day today up here in Mae Taeng but once the hills start to be burned, that will end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Getting smoky in Pai with large areas of the surrounding forest seen burning every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Dog Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Getting smoky in Pai with large areas of the surrounding forest seen burning every night. With as many strings of fires we saw last night, it almost seemed like some kind of organized event. A bit like sky writing, but with fire in the mountains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaiexpat Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Mountain biking and outdoor sport in general may not be such a good idea with PM10 values going above 100. Unfortunately.... Went biking up and down Doi Pui on the weekend and did not see any fires, but the air quality was noticeably worse than before. The fires seem to spike just after dusk, at least in our neighbourhood in Sansai. This seems to indicate that people know about the prohibition of open fires, but are burning nevertheless after dark when they are less likely to be spotted. Great! Cheers, CM-Expat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siamamerican Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 is it just me or is this year's air quality only slightly unhealthy? Last year had to leave CM and was constantly hacking. Also, the measuring devices seem to be inaccurate or misleading In December they were constantly reporting under 50 AQI and IMO the air near roads was much worse than today. I can now travel through town and not have to rinse off the brown muck after returning home. Also cycling up to Castle is now pleasant compared to December when I felt I was doing laps around a busy diesel truck stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naboo Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 is it just me or is this year's air quality only slightly unhealthy? Last year had to leave CM and was constantly hacking. Also, the measuring devices seem to be inaccurate or misleading In December they were constantly reporting under 50 AQI and IMO the air near roads was much worse than today. I can now travel through town and not have to rinse off the brown muck after returning home. Also cycling up to Castle is now pleasant compared to December when I felt I was doing laps around a busy diesel truck stop. Not yet March. Everyone gets so uptight about the smoke in December, by February everyone's wondering where it is, because it never really hits properly until March. It'll be here in two weeks, don't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siamamerican Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 is it just me or is this year's air quality only slightly unhealthy? Last year had to leave CM and was constantly hacking. Also, the measuring devices seem to be inaccurate or misleading In December they were constantly reporting under 50 AQI and IMO the air near roads was much worse than today. I can now travel through town and not have to rinse off the brown muck after returning home. Also cycling up to Castle is now pleasant compared to December when I felt I was doing laps around a busy diesel truck stop. Not yet March. Everyone gets so uptight about the smoke in December, by February everyone's wondering where it is, because it never really hits properly until March. It'll be here in two weeks, don't worry. Last year it definitely hit in February and not at the end of the month. The first week in February was awful and the airport was having a difficult time with practically no visibility. My bet, up tight and all, is that two weeks from now it won't come close to last year which is my up tight point. This year has been nice relative to last and hope it continues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyYogi Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 The rain this week and last week is definitely helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driedmango Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 You mean I put off my trip there and there is no freaking smog this year? What a rip I bet it will come when I get there .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Dog Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 You mean I put off my trip there and there is no freaking smog this year? What a rip I bet it will come when I get there .. Visibility here in Mae Taeng is currently well over a stunning ten miles. Last year the haze was setting in at this time according to my notes. (We were camping in a tent building a house so very exposed to it.) Maybe someone could post the link to the actual Chiang Mai PM10 levels as my link is not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoodMaiDai Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Looking forward to the STOP BURNING ads with Yingluck's photo on it, written in English, located in the city where all the farmers who can't read English can see them. That was a hoot last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESmith Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Don't know how bad the air is today, but it feels as if you'd need a knife to cut it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Dog Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Don't know how bad the air is today, but it feels as if you'd need a knife to cut it I see the PM10 levels are between 58 and 80 ug/m3 in CM and the visibility here dropped to less than five miles today. My eyes aren't stinging yet though which is my ultimate subjective indicator! Last year the visibility got down to about 800 meters here in Mae Taeng and hoping that doesn't happen again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnieTheKhwai Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Pretty happy with the season so far. I made plans for a long holiday by the beach if it does get worse, which it still might, soon. For reference, there are many places in Central Thailand near-ish to Bangkok that currently have much worse air, for quite some time now. For Chiang Mai, over the past couple of days the trend has been upwards (towards more particulate matter in the air) but not yet alarmingly so, and also not higher than you might expect for the time of year. Crucially, looking at the measuring stations around us in Lampang, Chiang Rai and Mae Hong Son, these show fairly good values currently, similar to Chiang Mai at the moment. We tend to get several days warning because you'd see those stations reporting high levels. So as soon as I see Lampang or Chiang Rai go over the limit (based on daily average) then that means it's time for my holiday. Pattaya here I come. Edited February 26, 2013 by WinnieTheKhwai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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