TommoPhysicist Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Farangs drugging Thais? That's a twist. My understanding, farang refers to the westerners, especially the white ones. Not sure that middle-easterners fall into this category. That would be a 'Kairk' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Who puts there Mobile/Cell phone in the hotels safety deposit boxes ??? would they not be using them Obviously not.... I wouldn't be using my UK SIM here and can actually survive without having my phone in my pocket for a few hours.Nor would I take it on a trip that involved swimming, diving or going out on a boat. It might get stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somdej Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 This article is poppycock..... never in a million years, inside job written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Similar to the Samui break-in in that a master key must have been held at reception - not good security. Hotel safe boxes should have a 2-key system where one key is with the guest & the other at reception. The master key for the guest's keys should be held in another safe place, preferably with the manager. I wonder if the perp knew where the master key was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tboy928 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Farangs drugging Thais? That's a twist. is Copy Cat , and bet is a Thai , and receptionist is in on it . Dont add up, why would stranger give coffe to the guy, and why would he take it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Similar to the Samui break-in in that a master key must have been held at reception - not good security. Hotel safe boxes should have a 2-key system where one key is with the guest & the other at reception. The master key for the guest's keys should be held in another safe place, preferably with the manager. I wonder if the perp knew where the master key was? In the Samui case the "safety" boxes just had small padlocks, I went there and took a look. Looks like the same here. Photo: http://www.karonplace.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I also have no idea whether this would be covered by insurance Why not, it would be a poor insurance policy that did not offer some remuneration for valuables left in the hotel safety deposit. Rather than under your socks in a drawer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 is Copy Cat , and bet is a Thai , and receptionist is in on it . Dont add up, why would stranger give coffe to the guy, and why would he take it.. Coffee no, Sam Song soda yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacovl46 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Who puts there Mobile/Cell phone in the hotels safety deposit boxes ??? would they not be using them Do you put your mobile phone in your swimming trunks when you go for a swim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellweather Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 i smell a rat there............... What nationality ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) Farangs drugging Thais? That's a twist. First post and right off the bat someone has to try and turn it around to dump on the Thais. Glad that I have not had anything to eat yet today buddy. Edited January 17, 2013 by techboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I don't believe the story. Never been to an hotel yet where you've needed to drug the receptionists. They seem to be able to fall asleep on their own!! I've never been to a hotel where the receptionist would accept a cup of coffee from a guest. The whole story sounds wrong to me. Maybe he/she thought it was that expensive Elephant dung brew. Now who could resist that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Col Arun said the robber was “Middle East looking” with fair skin?????? Are'nt middle eastern looking people generally swarthy with a "coffee in the milk" complexion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellweather Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Every month or so I go to a city in my province for a change of wallpaper and always use the same hotel. Late night / early morning if I am going to 7- (ok honey ?), for coffee etc I always the receptionists if they would like something and it's always gratefully received but with stories like this it makes you wonder if it's a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 oh well ... this happen everywhere in the world ..... but 3 millions bath in belonging 21 safe that makes 142,857 baht per safe .... pretty much a lot for such a small hotel .....with only one receptionist and no one around ..... strange to me . I hadn't done the maths. It does seem a lot. I also have no idea whether this would be covered by insurance Of course it will be, and 'boy' are they going to take a pounding ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The logical explanation is that they were purchasing cheap pre-pay cell phones here and keeping their expensive phones from their perspective countries in the hotel safe deposit boxes. Cell phones in North America typically do not allow interchangeable sim cards, they are dedicated to a specific provider. Well , i hate when providers sim-lock their phones,they usually did that here in DK some years ago,now all phones bought here is sim-free and you can put in all providers simcards,very usefull when in Thailand,and i always keep the phone on me,not in a stupid locker. They are locked in when you buy a phone on a monthly plan in Australia, but when its paid you can get it unlocked to use any service provider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 ...rule #1....do not ever believe anything a Thai person says...especially when a crime is involved.... (...you take it from there....) Having spent fourteen years here I am unable to find veracity in what you say. Perhaps Thai people do not respect you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinisaan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I wonder what the receptionists cut was? jb1 I'd think more than 50%.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsetBkk Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Farangs drugging Thais? That's a twist. First post and right off the bat someone has to try and turn it around to dump on the Thais. Glad that I have not had anything to eat yet today buddy. I think I've seen more media reports of Farangs being drugged by Thais than the other way around. Anyway, it was just a joke to raise a smile, nothing more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 It must be he same guy who came around after the 2004 tsunami to empty all those hotel safes. Strange he knew all those codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 Phuket Police suspect Arabs in B3mn locker heist Phuket Gazette The front desk officer believes the coffee he was given was drugged, allowing men to steal about 3 million baht. Photo: Kritsada Mueanhawong PHUKET: -- Phuket Police are on the lookout for three men, all thought to be from the Middle East, who are suspected of doping a front desk officer at a resort near Karon Beach and robbing the resort’s guest safe boxes of about 3 million baht in valuables. The front desk officer at Karon Place Hotel who was allegedly drugged by the gang told the Phuket Gazette that the three foreigners had visited him sometime after midnight on the two nights preceding the robbery. “Very late on Friday and Saturday night, the foreigners came and chatted, like they were trying to make friends with me. Each night they brought me a couple of beers and some somtam [spicy Thai salad]. “But on the night of the robbery, they brought me hot coffee – that’s the last thing I remember,” he said. The front desk officer described the men as about 180cm tall, with fair skin. Elaborating, he said they looked like they were from an “Arab country”. The robbery has attracted the attention of the Phuket Provincial Police, with deputy commanders Col Arun Kleawwatee and Col Witoon Kongsudjai leading the investigation meeting at Karon Police Station yesterday. “About 21 tourists had their belongings stolen from the locker-style ‘safe boxes’. Most of the items stolen were passports, cash and mobile phones,” Col Arun said. The robbers also made off with some of the hotel’s CCTV equipment and recordings. “Karon Police officers have questioned the hotel guests who had their belongings stolen, but some of the them are Russians who do not speak English, so we have yet to compile a complete list of all the items stolen,” Col Arun said. “Police are searching for the suspects to bring them to justice,” he added. Source: http://www.phuketgaz...eist-19986.html -- Phuket Gazette 2013-01-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 oh well ... this happen everywhere in the world ..... but 3 millions bath in belonging 21 safe that makes 142,857 baht per safe .... pretty much a lot for such a small hotel .....with only one receptionist and no one around ..... strange to me . I hadn't done the maths. It does seem a lot. I also have no idea whether this would be covered by insurance Of course it will be, and 'boy' are they going to take a pounding ! I meant the hotel's insurance policy, which may or may not cover customers' personal effects, though if it does there will certainly be sub-limits. Travel insurance for the individuals will cover this but with sub-limits for cash and valuables it may not provide full coverage. Just seen the Gazette's report which is pretty poor though does add a bit more to the story and also shows how flimsy the wooden security boxes are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) Most modern CCTV systems are now computer based with images stored on Hard Drive. To take away the 'recording' from the CCTV - he would need to dis-assemble the computer case and remove the Hard Drive. Surely this would be in the back office somewhere? It may be possible they had a pre-historic CCTV system that runs on VHS tapes - in which case he can remove the tape in 2 seconds ! Also usually safety boxes have a twin key system or if one key - only the user has the key and if they lose the key they change the lock. However we don't know what they use there and of course it is possible that they were forced, in which case they can't have been very strong 'safety boxes'. Room safes are usually cheap and nasty things and I have been to hotels where the room safe is not even secured to anything solid - just sat inside the wardrobe/closet. Any form of security is only as good as the weakest link. No point having CCTV if the recording hardware is not in a secure room somewhere! no doubt more info will be forthcoming and it will be interesting. I was thinking along the same lines as your post. Firstly, it's my understanding that a lot of the safety deposit boxes have a two key lock, or two locks. The receptionist has one key and the guest has the other key. The owner/manager has a set of both keys, so, the receptionist can not gain access. That said, how did this guy, if the story is true, gain access when the boss and guest hold the second key? Maybe this hotel has different safety deposit boxes, but by the picture in the PG, you can see the safety boxes has two keys to each box. He may have forced them open, but that would have to make a lot noise and take more time.. Second, as you say, most CCTV these days records to a HDD (hard disk drive) You have mentioned the HDD will be inside a computer case, IIt's usually inside a DVR (digital video recorder) These are about the same size as a DVD palyer. He would have to locate it, unplug all of the camera cables to it and walk outside with it. If this story is true, maybe there is some CCTV footage from a public area of a guy in the area with a big black box under his arm. Also, I hope police drug test the receptionist. Urine, blood and hair samples. Regardless of the crime being an inside job, or random,, to the guests, they don't care who took their property because either way, someone has taken it and ruined their holiday. More happy tourists to Phuket. Edited January 17, 2013 by NamKangMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colabamumbai Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I can hear the receptionist saying "My boyfriend made me do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 ...rule #1....do not ever believe anything a Thai person says...especially when a crime is involved.... (...you take it from there....) Rule #2 - Don't believe any farang on Phuket, either. :) If this story is true, if the receptionist followed Rule #2 - this crime never would of happened. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alstaxi Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The logical explanation is that they were purchasing cheap pre-pay cell phones here and keeping their expensive phones from their perspective countries in the hotel safe deposit boxes. Cell phones in North America typically do not allow interchangeable sim cards, they are dedicated to a specific provider. Well , i hate when providers sim-lock their phones,they usually did that here in DK some years ago,now all phones bought here is sim-free and you can put in all providers simcards,very usefull when in Thailand,and i always keep the phone on me,not in a stupid locker. They are locked in when you buy a phone on a monthly plan in Australia, but when its paid you can get it unlocked to use any service provider. You can unlock it any time you like, no need to wait until its paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeezeLooeze Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Can you tell someone is an Arab by just looking? The Middle East has many ethnic groups including Turks, Turkomans, Persians, Kurds, Azeris, Copts, Jews, Maronites, Assyro-Chaldeans, Circassians, Armenians, Druze and Arabs. The Iranians I know will certainly correct you if you refer to them as Arab. And what about people of Middle Eastern enthnicity born and bred in Europe and New World countries? My point being that news articles such as this commonly stereotype and racially profile people without any basis of fact. How about a headline that just says "Phuket Police suspect three men in B3mn locker heist". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I have a quick question which I will ask in this thread, as it is on topic. Do any of the banks here have safety deposit boxes for rent? If so, have any members had any experience with hiring one? Are they secure and well managed? What sizes and prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happysanook Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 This has got to be one of the biggest bull crap stories I've heard in a long while. Farang gave me drugged coffee... and conveniently no tape. If the receptionist isn't guilty, I'll eat someone's shorts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alstaxi Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Can you tell someone is an Arab by just looking? The Middle East has many ethnic groups including Turks, Turkomans, Persians, Kurds, Azeris, Copts, Jews, Maronites, Assyro-Chaldeans, Circassians, Armenians, Druze and Arabs. The Iranians I know will certainly correct you if you refer to them as Arab. And what about people of Middle Eastern enthnicity born and bred in Europe and New World countries? My point being that news articles such as this commonly stereotype and racially profile people without any basis of fact. How about a headline that just says "Phuket Police suspect three men in B3mn locker heist". Actually there are several thousand more atrocious headlines written weekly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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