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American Accused Of Unlawful Encounter With 13 Year Old Girl On Pattaya Beach

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Officers from the Police Region 2 Child and Women Protection Unit were monitoring the 13 year old girl around 4am on Tuesday Morning and were about to detain her and take her into care when they saw an approach by the American,

Why do I smell a set up ?

Entrapment to defraud the guy or maybe it was a bust for show, since it made the paper.

Real police work? Fat chance.

This is the same beach that the same police have been allowing the jet ski criminals, assault and rob visitors for YEARS!

Is the recent publicity/pressure on the jet ski criminals forcing the police to look elsewhere for the lost income?

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A Paedophile is a paedophile is a paedophile!

People trying to make excuses for this behaviour because she probably approached him, and she lied about her age and he may not have known her true age are pathetic.

If you are not a paedophile you do not proposition a girl without ensuring she is of legal age especially when the majority of asian girls look younger than what they are.

If you are not sure of her age, but you are certain you are not a paedophile, then you walk away.

valid points if the whole incident took place in a shopping mall or elsewhere during "normal" hours, NOT at 4am on the beach.

do you know many 13 year old hanging around on the streets at 4am?

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You mean ID card, have to be 15 for one of these, if no card, then they are underage. Anyway, what 13 year old Thai girl would be carrying a passport?

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This is how police forces worldwide catch most criminals: by sheer luck and coincidence. But why where they after the girl or was it simply entrapment and is the police using the girl as bait?

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I would like to see a timeline..where she was before she went out, where they started monitoring her, why they did not pick her up on sight if she was going to be taken into care?

But it could be that she was with the authorities already and was "let out"? Then followed? This is the hub of the sting operation after all. And if soliciting is illegal, who really approached whom?

No sympathy for paedos from me, but this stinks of a setup. Has she got a history of soliciting? Too many questionable things here.

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A Paedophile is a paedophile is a paedophile!

People trying to make excuses for this behaviour because she probably approached him, and she lied about her age and he may not have known her true age are pathetic.

If you are not a paedophile you do not proposition a girl without ensuring she is of legal age especially when the majority of asian girls look younger than what they are.

If you are not sure of her age, but you are certain you are not a paedophile, then you walk away.

I doubt very much that the girl was pre-pubescent, so it's hardly paedophilia.

It is what it is.

(generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13)

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If it's a setup then that would make me respect the police work even more.

Setup or not, a 13 year old in broad morning daylight and wanting to have sex with her is a very lock-uppable offense no matter what the circumstances.

(Yes I'd take a more sympathetic view if it was a dolled up 15 year old at 3am at some disco.)

So 4 am is broad daylight in your part of Thailand ?

Did you look at the picture of the girl in the article? She's as tall as the officers surrounding her.

I smell a rat.

i know this guy,he is a nice bloke,sorry to see this,but a 13 year old out at 3am,on the beach,i does sound a bit suspect.

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Can one have a "legal encounter" with a 13 year old?

It sounds crook to me from every angle, It's hard to know whether to be sad, outraged or stunned.

I have a 12 yr old daughter, the thought of her being in a position like this in a year is shattering.

Chance of her getting in that position is smallish at best.

It is the difference of parents trying to provide for and protecting their children, as opposed to families encouraging their daughters to hit the big city and try to make a living (blink blink) good enough to allow perpetual drunkenness of, and new motorbikes / ute for, the family members back home.

What on earth is she doing there at 4 am????????

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I've met Neal before while diving.

He seemed like such a good bloke.

He was a very funny guy. Ex US serviceman.

i live near him,and ,yes he is a nice bloke,hope this is cleared soon,at this moment his company dont know this news yet.

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Points that should be in his defense in a fair system:

He did ask her age.

She did lie about her age.

Is it conceivable that her look could have been of legal age?

How drunk was he?

How is his vision?

Entrapment is used by different countries. However for pedo entrapment, it is much more ethical if they can DOCUMENT the accused was looking for underage and believed the victim was underage. Classic example: police stings using internet chat sites. In this case, both of those key elements may be missing.

Catching real pedos is one thing. Catching accidental pedos that really aren't motivated that way is kind of tragic.

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In a case like this, is the accused held on remand or given bail?

If convicted, would he be deported (after serving time in Thailand) and, if so, would he face charges in the US?

Bail is possible, if convicted it means blacklisting.

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There will be no charges in the US if he is sentenced in Thailand. You cannot be convicted twice for the same offence. If he would skip bail and flee the country to the US he could face prosecution in the US.

This is not really correct because the exact crime that could/would be charged in each jurisdiction most likely is different or the full panoply of charges wouldn't be made in Thailand so there would be these additional criminal counts that could be charged by the US authorities.

Basically, this guy is screwed.

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What about the girls. Not much hope to be anything else 'but', in some places like Pattaya. Was disconcerting to see two year old girls during songkran being cheered on by farang and thai alike for dancing gogo on top of the bar. Great education and sadly there will always be people willing to exploit these kids.

Thai jail for 4-20yrs, you think that would sufficient deterant.

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In a case like this, is the accused held on remand or given bail?

If convicted, would he be deported (after serving time in Thailand) and, if so, would he face charges in the US?

Bail is possible, if convicted it means blacklisting.

V

There will be no charges in the US if he is sentenced in Thailand. You cannot be convicted twice for the same offence. If he would skip bail and flee the country to the US he could face prosecution in the US.

This is not really correct because the exact crime that could/would be charged in each jurisdiction most likely is different or the full panoply of charges wouldn't be made in Thailand so there would be these additional criminal counts that could be charged by the US authorities.

Basically, this guy is screwed.

There could be additional charges, but not something as "statutory rape" as for that he would already have been convicted.

But that kind of additional charges are not that likely, most will be already dealt with in the Thai convistion. What is more likly is that he could face measures as that he might have problems getting a new US-passport to travel abroad, needs to register as a sex-offender, get parol supervison, etc.

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