Danish Businessman Attacked And Robbed In Pattaya

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Danish businessman attacked and robbed in Thailand
BY ANDERS HOLM NIELSEN



PATTAYA: -- A businessman from Denmark was Monday last week severely injured and hospitalized in Pattaya with two broken heal bones and severe back injury. According to his own account of the incident, the injuries were sustained when he tried to flee a business meeting in Pattaya where he was also robbed of 420.000 Thai baht.

The Dane explains that the attack was ordered by the owner of a property that he was leasing from her and carried out by her staff and her husband. The money was brought into the meeting to pay for a renewal of the lease.

Talking to ScandAsia, the Dane explains that he had already been leasing the Pattaya property for the past two years and that the signing should have been a formality. In fact the contract was agreed upon before the meeting where he was attacked.

The Dane has written a long post on his Facebook profile explaining the incident to friends and family identifying his attackers but does not wish to appear by name in this article. Recalling the dramatic events that morning, the Dane adds that the woman is the daughter of a very wealthy family from Pattaya who owns several hotels, including the LK Metropole where the attack and robbery allegedly took place. The Dane says that this only adds to his confusion and anger seeing as the money they took from him must be a small amount to them.

They asked for cash payment

Before the meeting he had been asked to bring cash payment of THB 300.000 for the lease. He explains to ScandAsia that as he had been leasing the property for the last two years and knowing who he was dealing with, he did not suspect anything.

When he showed up at the meeting, the woman asked for an additional THB 120.000 before she would sign the contract. Eager to renew the lease, the businessman agreed and went to the bank where he withdrew the amount and then brought it back to the meeting.

At some point during the meeting he noticed that something seemed off.

“Her hands were shaking but I moved on, as I thought she just had too much coffee. In hindsight I know it was because she knew what was about to happen,” he writes on his Facebook.

“I signed all the contracts as agreed and started putting cash on the table, but she did not sign the contracts. They reached for the money and started counting it and I explained that I wanted them to sign before they could have the money.”

Caught the attack on video

Sensing that he was about to be robbed as they became threatening, he started filming the incident with his iPhone but only had the chance to film a little while before the woman sent her guards after him.

“I tried to escape but in the process I got pushed and fell down a ledge where I broke both my heel bones and a toe. After I fell down two-three meters on concrete floor, one of her guards jumped from the same height and landed on my back, causing further injury. Then two guards and the husband held me down while they stole the rest of my money and my iPhone.”

“There were 15-20 witnesses overseeing the whole incident, and luckily one of them called for the police.”

When the police arrived he managed to get his phone back in exchange for the husband’s watch which he had dropped when putting the Dane in a headlock. The phone was smashed up and the sim-card removed but he managed to retrieve the video after hooking it up to his laptop.

“The most important part of the video is of (the name of the woman) ordering her guards to chase me down – giving very clear evidence of who’s behind the assault. The video and the case is at the police station and the Danish Embassy and I hope for a quick resolution.”

He explains that his lawyer is handling the case feeling that he himself needs some distance from the incident, and that he actually does not know how far investigations are.

When asked if the incident has scarred him from doing business in Thailand he replies:

“I live in Bangkok, this is my home. But I will seriously consider how I do my business in the future and who I do them with.”

He has now been discharged from the hospital but will be spending the next six to eight weeks in a wheelchair.

Still investigating

The Pattaya police confirms to ScandAsia that there was an incident last Monday involving the Dane and several persons on the location where the assault took place and that they are investigation the case. ScandAsia has not been able to get in touch with the Police Officer in charge of preparing the case for prosecution to ask for more details.

Source: http://scandasia.com/danish-national-assaulted-during-business-meeting/

-- ScandAsia 2013-03-20

[keemapoot]

This one does indeed sound bizarre... Not sure what to make of it....

[Scully]

This one does indeed sound bizarre... Not sure what to make of it....

I actually think the Danish bloke is telling it how it is, knowing to be carrying 420 k is a big incentive.

[LennyW]

My god, the armchair detectives and conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day with this one!!

[BlackPuddingBertha]

Who in his right mind would pay 420KBaht in cash for anything? And why was he so happy to pay a 40% increase at the last minute?

I like the place I rent and I'm happy with the price I pay but if they owners suddenly wanted 40% extra on renewal they would have a long wait. At the last renewal they wanted me to pay the cable fee (300B/month) instead of them, but I would not agree to it.

[Nowhereman60]

The Perry Mason's of TV will have a field day on this one.

[pattayadingo]

Cash? Maybe that = a tax fiddle.

Best of luck to this guy, hope he gets to win his case, gets his money back and heals properly from his injuries.

[EyesWideOpen]

Unleash the dogs of war !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I guess the current sort of crackdown on crime by the BIB

will now have to include tourist crimes committed by the wealth elites... :-) Hands shaking when she saw the money ?? Guess sort of like a dog salivating when it sees a choice steak....

Edited March 20, 2013 by EyesWideOpen

[KBAA]

I can see you guysw does not know anything about business in Thailand !
Why is there so many ATM machines ? More then in any other country in the World (based on machines per capital) !

It is because all business are done in cash, not all, but most, go one day to the land office and sit down there, then you will se more cash then you ever had seen in your life, properties for many Mill. are paid for in cash.

Had a friend who just sold 7 shophouses lately, more then nhalf of them was paif in cash, avg. 5 Mill. each.

I had seen big European tour operators, they had to pay the airport in cash, Millions each week.

Do you think any want to take Bank cheques here ??? No one trust Thai banks !!

The system here in Thailand is so old, it is like in Europe 30-40 years ago.

No one trust anyone, they all think the other part steal, and with good reason, been living here 17 years, i always say to my friends home, they should be glad for having all these honest Polish chaps around

[BlackPuddingBertha]

All business is not done in cash here. Only the crooked business.

I bought my car via a bank transfer. I pay my rent via a bank transfer. I pay my utility bills via bank transfers and it was buying a property here it would be with a cashier's cheque made out to the vendor and crossed a/c payee. And if I couldn't do that then I wouldn't do it at all.

[KBAA]

All business is not done in cash here. Only the crooked business.

I bought my car via a bank transfer. I pay my rent via a bank transfer. I pay my utility bills via bank transfers and it was buying a property here it would be with a cashier's cheque made out to the vendor and crossed a/c payee. And if I couldn't do that then I wouldn't do it at all.

A cashier cheques here are not the same as in other countries !

I just tell you what is going on !

I also think it is total crazy, but even some of the real big companies do it that way !

Maybe a lot of it is tax fraud, but for sure most is because people don´t trust each other.

Most car companies does not accept cashier cheques, i seen that, i tried that, but i took the car salesman to the bank and gave him the money there, then i not have to go anywhere with them 5555 !

[Rimkok]

All business is not done in cash here. Only the crooked business.

I bought my car via a bank transfer. I pay my rent via a bank transfer. I pay my utility bills via bank transfers and it was buying a property here it would be with a cashier's cheque made out to the vendor and crossed a/c payee. And if I couldn't do that then I wouldn't do it at all.

Most business IS done in cash here

[Spoonman]

All business is not done in cash here. Only the crooked business.

I bought my car via a bank transfer. I pay my rent via a bank transfer. I pay my utility bills via bank transfers and it was buying a property here it would be with a cashier's cheque made out to the vendor and crossed a/c payee. And if I couldn't do that then I wouldn't do it at all.

Good for you, Ive bought my cars with cash, my motorbikes with cash, pay my rent with cash, pay my utility bills once again, with cash. Infact everything I can I try to pay with cash.

By using cash there is a very minial digital footprint other than the withdrawal of said cash at my Kasikorn bank branch which updates my passbook for easy tracking.

Edited March 20, 2013 by Spoonman

[Scott]

All business is not done in cash here. Only the crooked business.

I bought my car via a bank transfer. I pay my rent via a bank transfer. I pay my utility bills via bank transfers and it was buying a property here it would be with a cashier's cheque made out to the vendor and crossed a/c payee. And if I couldn't do that then I wouldn't do it at all.

A lot of business is still done in cash and it is not all crooked businesses. I know employers who pay millions of baht to their employees and it is all paid in cash. The taxes are paid.

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

let's watch this purported video. they could blur the accused parties to prevent defamation claims.

Anyone have a link?

[meatballs]

Can't understand why anybody would do business here. There's too much corruption. Just stick to being a tourist.

[super22k]

Send for Sherlock Holmes.....or James Bond might be better.

[Suradit69]

The more money a Thai has, the less they have to fear from the law = real culture

Thailand,Pattaya in particular, is a safe place for tourist families = ideal culture

The Thais love the tourists = ideal culture

Tourists have the same status as middle class blacks in America's pre-civil rights era = real culture

There is no mafia in Pattaya- in is a fiction created by bigoted Farangs = ideal culture

The mafia exists and it is intertwined with the 'upper' levels of Thai society = real culture

Bring out the meatier bait, and the bigger sharks arrive = fact of life.

Chances are that the dimwit female is being chastised for bringing scrutiny to the family.

I hope the victim makes a full recovery.

It must be fun have a debate with yourself. You get to supply all the fabricated assumptions and then manfully shoot them down.

A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,^[1][2] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.^[3] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.^[3][4] This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged, emotional issues.

Edited March 20, 2013 by Suradit69

[Suradit69]

Can't understand why anybody would do business here. There's too much corruption. Just stick to being a tourist.

Yes, far better to keep your money in a safe European bank say in Cyprus or to put your money in a sound investment like with Bernie Madoff or "Sir" Allen Stanford in the US where all businesses are are run in a wholly transparent and open fashion.

Barclays PLC (NYSE:BCS), Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC (NYSE:RBS) and UBS AG (NYSE:UBS) have all settled Libor-rigging charges in the past 12 months and agreed to pay a total of about $2.5 billion in fines. There’s still a long list of potential candidates. At least 10 regulators around the world are investigating as many as 20 of the world’s biggest financial institutions.

Exactly where, one wonders, is it all that safe to do business or invest without worry.

Edited March 20, 2013 by Suradit69

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

Can't understand why anybody would do business here. There's too much corruption. Just stick to being a tourist.

Yes, far better to keep your money in a safe European bank say in Cyprus or to put your money in a sound investment like with Bernie Madoff or "Sir" Allen Stanford in the US where all businesses are are run in a wholly transparent and open fashion.

>>Barclays PLC (NYSE:BCS), Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC (NYSE:RBS) and UBS AG (NYSE:UBS) have all settled Libor-rigging charges in the past 12 months and agreed to pay a total of about $2.5 billion in fines. There’s still a long list of potential candidates. At least 10 regulators around the world are investigating as many as 20 of the world’s biggest financial institutions.

Exactly where, one wonders, is it all that safe to do business or invest without worry.

now that is a excellent example of a Strawman argument. well done sir !

Edited March 20, 2013 by CobraSnakeNecktie

[cup-O-coffee]

It kind of sounds like he got what he asked for; doing all of this all by himself and with no backup or an "out" is what I mean. I guess I think he is pretty stupid and gullible considering the scum he deals with in the naive manner in which he described in doing so.

[aguy30]

All business is not done in cash here. Only the crooked business.

I bought my car via a bank transfer. I pay my rent via a bank transfer. I pay my utility bills via bank transfers and it was buying a property here it would be with a cashier's cheque made out to the vendor and crossed a/c payee. And if I couldn't do that then I wouldn't do it at all.

A cashier cheques here are not the same as in other countries !

I just tell you what is going on !

I also think it is total crazy, but even some of the real big companies do it that way !

Maybe a lot of it is tax fraud, but for sure most is because people don´t trust each other.

Most car companies does not accept cashier cheques, i seen that, i tried that, but i took the car salesman to the bank and gave him the money there, then i not have to go anywhere with them 5555 !

I call bullsh!t KBAA. I just bought a new car and was TOLD to get a bank check payable to them.

Just curious how so many ThaiVisa members know so much about how everyday business is done by Thais. Most members have limited experience, usually consisting of 7-11, paying rent on their room, beer bars and Tesco Lotus. If you don't have facts then don't present it as fact. Just because you say it or think it, doesn't make it true.

[KunMatt]

It kind of sounds like he got what he asked for; doing all of this all by himself and with no backup or an "out" is what I mean. I guess I think he is pretty stupid and gullible considering the scum he deals with in the naive manner in which he described in doing so.

Yeah, what an idiot for trying to pay his rent to his landlord of 2 years. He was totally asking for 2 broken legs, a back injury and a beat down.

/sarcasm (apparently this is needed so some people understand the tone of my post)

Edited March 20, 2013 by KunMatt

[scotto]

It kind of sounds like he got what he asked for; doing all of this all by himself and with no backup or an "out" is what I mean. I guess I think he is pretty stupid and gullible considering the scum he deals with in the naive manner in which he described in doing so.

I do not see it that way as he has been doing business (leasing) from this lady for 2 years so who can you trust

here?You would think the thai lady would be happy to take the cash and have the dane keep

leasing her property and she would still have a income from rent?

Now i wonder what the Dane is going to do with his business?

hope he recovers quickly.

[julemanden]

Can't understand why anybody would do business here. There's too much corruption. Just stick to being a tourist.

Yes, far better to keep your money in a safe European bank say in Cyprus or to put your money in a sound investment like with Bernie Madoff or "Sir" Allen Stanford in the US where all businesses are are run in a wholly transparent and open fashion.

>Barclays PLC (NYSE:BCS), Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC (NYSE:RBS) and UBS AG (NYSE:UBS) have all settled Libor-rigging charges in the past 12 months and agreed to pay a total of about $2.5 billion in fines. There’s still a long list of potential candidates. At least 10 regulators around the world are investigating as many as 20 of the world’s biggest financial institutions.

Exactly where, one wonders, is it all that safe to do business or invest without worry.

Easy answer to that one.... No where!

[kevvy]

Can't understand why anybody would do business here. There's too much corruption. Just stick to being a tourist.

so you are a tourist , telling expats show it is done .. there are many expats here who have business here and do a great job . and call this place home .

[Hunter88]

So whats the point ? Another bad experience in Pattaya? The rich will not go to the monkey house, the bills will be paid by the Dutch man and life goes on in the land of smiles.

[Rimkok]

All business is not done in cash here. Only the crooked business.

I bought my car via a bank transfer. I pay my rent via a bank transfer. I pay my utility bills via bank transfers and it was buying a property here it would be with a cashier's cheque made out to the vendor and crossed a/c payee. And if I couldn't do that then I wouldn't do it at all.

A cashier cheques here are not the same as in other countries !

I just tell you what is going on !

I also think it is total crazy, but even some of the real big companies do it that way !

Maybe a lot of it is tax fraud, but for sure most is because people don´t trust each other.

Most car companies does not accept cashier cheques, i seen that, i tried that, but i took the car salesman to the bank and gave him the money there, then i not have to go anywhere with them 5555 !

I call bullsh!t KBAA. I just bought a new car and was TOLD to get a bank check payable to them.

Just curious how so many ThaiVisa members know so much about how everyday business is done by Thais. Most members have limited experience, usually consisting of 7-11, paying rent on their room, beer bars and Tesco Lotus. If you don't have facts then don't present it as fact. Just because you say it or think it, doesn't make it true.

.....and just because you say it and think it, doesn't make it true.

[epicstuff]

why should he have expected that if he had done business before with no problem.?.. key is probably to use a cashier check for large transactions , it is noted for my next years rent..

[mortenaa]

Yes, alot is done in cash, but I haven't done any business in cash for the last 5 years, including buing several cars, condo, three companies, paying vendors, staff etc etc. Its all been cashiers checks and bank transfers. I would never accept paying anything in cash

Edited March 20, 2013 by mortenaa