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You were fired unjustly not because of your teaching or actions outside the classroom, they had budgeted for a 12 month contract which was funded by the MOE. They fired you to put that months salary in their pockets, for this reason alone i would file a complaint with the labor dept just so they have to kick some of that money to them to make the problem go away.

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Sorry to say it, but you obviously weren't a very hot commodity. People that get the heave ho usually aren't the best performers. Just a wild guess, I could be 100% wrong of course.

in the UK or US i would agree... here in Thailand.. maybe not so much... Many Thais have a short term view.

I have known of schools get rid of excellent teachers to replace them with cheaper short term teachers (some good, some not so good)

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Well, some schools replace all foreign teachers every year. Others replace them with Philippinas. And some directors locate folks in Cameroon or such places who work on a T-Visa and accept 15 k. Saving a month's pay is a big thing - your salary might pay for a wonderful night of boozing with karaoke and a buffet!

There is severance - the teacher should also get a notice period. (Or the contract was to end automatically after a year?). I had no luck with the Labour Dept. but highly recommend to go to the regional Labour Court with a translator.

Got fired in writing?

If you negotiate something, make sure to get a reference.

Good luck!

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One point missing here, many thai teachers work saturdays/ evenings. Farang teachers think after class job finished.

Thai school directors expect all teachers to work outside normal school hours, farangs do not normally do that. that is what they meant when they told op the reason for cutting short the contract.

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One point missing here, many thai teachers work saturdays/ evenings. Farang teachers think after class job finished.

Thai school directors expect all teachers to work outside normal school hours, farangs do not normally do that. that is what they meant when they told op the reason for cutting short the contract.

I disagree. Thais know very well that foreigners are different and cut them some slack. They know if they ask foreign teachers to show up every Saturdays that there will be resistance. Most contracts state eight hours a day, mine says 8 to 4:30 with a one-hour lunch break, Monday to Friday. Of course once in a while there may be an activity like a camp which requires the presence on a Saturday but that's an exception. To dismiss a teacher one month before the end of the contract because he didn't work on Saturdays is unusual.

No, IMO there was no reason to fire him, there was only the opportunity to pocket some money so they had to have a reason. When he talked his way out of it, they focused on the next guy. Fired him for a bogus reason and used his salary for vacation money.

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Unless you have committed an egregious act, there is a set of procedures that are to be followed in terminating a contract. First is verbal notice and then a period for the person to improve. This is followed by a formal, written notice. If this was not followed, then they are in violation of the policies surrounding dismissal.

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"I told them that ....... I disagreed with the way I was been treated. This only created an argument with them telling me that they can end the contract when they wish..."

Like I said before, they do whatever pleases them - ending a contract at any time without verbal warnings or written notices is just what you have to expect.

Consider going to Labor Court? Take a number! What do you think how many thousand teachers are getting screwed every month?

Do you really think an admin cares about being in violation of any policies?

An expensive International School in Bangkok maybe, but the thousands of Government Schools couldn't care less.

I've seen a teacher whose only mistake was to argue back over being paid only half a salary escorted off campus by the police because the headmistress "felt threatened".

She ran out of arguments, realized she's losing face and called the cops!

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One point missing here, many thai teachers work saturdays/ evenings. Farang teachers think after class job finished.

Thai school directors expect all teachers to work outside normal school hours, farangs do not normally do that. that is what they meant when they told op the reason for cutting short the contract.

One point missing. Most Thai teachers indeed teach after hours and weekends. At the cram schools where the students have to go to learn the exact same subject the teacher is teaching at school. This is not about Thai teachers. Its about yet another school violating a contract. Personally I would be looking for another job if I was the op OR talking to the labour dept making them aware of the problem. They do mediate disputes as well.

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I don't have a lot of experience with the Labor Court, but I do know that many schools will pay someone off rather than go through much of a hassle at the court. Where I work, they even have a nice little form for you to sign which basically states both parties are satisfied that there is no further connection or legal issues between them. The school then gives them their pay and a little additional money.

Whether a school is right or wrong, it takes a lot of time and resources to deal with a legal suit. I doubt that a month's pay would be worth hassling over.

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Ok, the following issues need to be considered:

1. Is this a 'real' job- in other words, a job with a contract, a tax number, a work permit, and an extension of visa based on the work permit? If not, it's hardly worth bothering over any kind of legal approach as though you will most likely win for breach of contract, you can also be held responsible for working illegally.

2. Did you pass the legal maximum probation period (during which you can be fired for any reason)? I am fuzzily of the belief this is about 6 months, but certainly not a full year- schools that want to abuse this provision usually do so at the end of the first term of employment.

3. Did they conform to the notices which Scott mentions above (first a formal verbal warning and then a written warning, with time periods allowed to improve and stipulations about what will constitute improvement)? This only really matters if the job was a 'real' one already after probation (see #1 and 2).

If the answers to those questions are yes, yes, and no; you'd have a case for being fired illegally, though I doubt you would really stand to recover much more than the 1 month of severance to which you would be legally entitled. If they're offering that already, might as well take it and move on to the next job- again as Scott says- this school and you are clearly not well suited for each other for whatever reasons.

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When they cancel the work permit and Visa. You now only have 24hours to get a new visa.

Some places will be nice enough to leave the visa etc until expiration. But I doubt these guys will.

You can get a 7 day extension at the immigration office, for 1,900b.

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When they cancel the work permit and Visa. You now only have 24hours to get a new visa.

Some places will be nice enough to leave the visa etc until expiration. But I doubt these guys will.

Unless you're married to a Thai national or have a Thai child. In that case you can apply for a 60 days extension of stay based on Reason of Necessity 2.24.

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy777-2551_en.pdf

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Marcorue.

My advise to you is that you would be a wise man or woman to start seeking another position away from your current school.

You have in your eyes indeed won a battle, however you are going to find that you may well have started a war,.

No doubt expectations from your current employer will be increased as will your workload and your paperwork.Petty problems will appear, fine you deal with them however those petty problems tend to compound themselves into a large problem.

I've been involved in education here for some 22 years at all levels and in all schools, government, private, E.P.. and International schools,

The type of school you're at with its management style so visibly demonstrated to you and your departing colleague is indeed a toxic working environment .

Get out quickly,

Plenty of vacancies, remember that at any interview you state what you expect from your prospective employer and let them tell you what they expect from their employees.

You want nay need, work permit, health insurance, paid sick leave, 4 days a year personal business leave ( thats to cover your 90 day reporting procedure) however many schools if they are decent employers will look after your 90 day reporting for you.

Paid holidays all public holidays and a minimum of 30 days a year annual leave and of course a 12 month payment year, possible end of contract or a contract renewal bonus and of course a yearly salary increase, free meals whilst at school and a maximum twenty hours of teaching a week.

That is a basic contract outline which would be on offer from any reasonable employer.

Go and look around, look after yourself, remember a good school deserves 60 minutes of work for every hour they pay you for.woking for them.

Good luck.

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Roco tomazi !!most contracts state 8.00 till 4.30 ok, but thai director expect more , thai teachers do more, farangs who insist my contract states! in my opinion leave themselves open for dismissal. Teachers are there to teach/help children. Go the extra mile do a little bit more , i did when i was teaching my contract stated 12 hours per week many weeks i did more than 20, i was helping children only children get a good education.

Any person not prepared to do that !!get out of teaching!!

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