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Reports from other sources state he was free diving wearing a wetsuit, no scuba gear.

He apparently made several consecutive dives and on the final one failed to surface. This has all the indications of what is known as a 'shallow water blackout'.

It also "has all the indications of what is known as a heart attack" and a "brain aneurysm" and a "stroke" etc etc etc etc - only a proper autopsy will reveal the true cause of death.

You would make a fantastic detective wai.gif

You would make quite the Thai policeman. So easy to just say, "Farang drown."

The difference is, many travel and life insurance policies do not cover diving, and other sports deemed to be "extreme" - so, you, as a Thai policeman, so happy to dismiss the real cause of death and put sh*te on those looking for the facts, actually leave a family out of pocket, possible foreclosed on for their house back in farangland and in serious financial hardship.

All because YOU, as a Thai policeman, don't want to play "detective."

There is a bigger picture, usually back in farangland, that is at stake to most tourists deaths here.

But hey, as long as it never happens to you - right????

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Reports from other sources state he was free diving wearing a wetsuit, no scuba gear.

He apparently made several consecutive dives and on the final one failed to surface. This has all the indications of what is known as a 'shallow water blackout'.

Some one knows his stuff.

10m on a lung of air is easy with fins. I am not a physician, but I believe on ascent as the lungs expand, they can draw out too much oxygen inn the blood causing the aforesaid black out.

Snorkelling where u dive holding ur breath should not be done alone

Very basic explanation: after inhalation at the surface you have oxygen in your body, which is used during the dive. On descent and at depth that is no problem, since the partial pressure if high enough. On ascent the partial pressure reduces, and with the reduced amount of oxygen the oxygen pressure can get too little for your brains, causing a black out, which can be deadly in the water.

Where does that leave someone doing several dives, such as this guy? Does that mean your oxygen levels are depleting, without you knowing it, despite doing several short free dives?

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Highly doubtfull that he was not wearing a weight belt as one thing we do know for sure is that he was wearing a wet suit which will provide positive bouyancy which requires a weight belt to be worn in order to attain neutral or negative bouyancy. Most free diving spear fishers use negative bouyancy in order to gain rapid decent and as such it is highly unlikely that intestinal gasses would overcome this excess weight in such a short time frame. Had he got into trouble in free water and ditched his belt he would have had come to the surface regardless an most probably in sight of the boat. There is so littlre substantive data in this article (as usaul) that it is almost impossible to determine the prevailing circumstances.

Pretty much the way I see it, despite knowing very little about diving.

We simply do not have enough reported information to draw any substantive conclusion.

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@ stevenl

Ok - BUT, which "news source" is to be believed????


Why do you believe one news source, but not another????

Who do you trust the most to be more factual in their reporting, and more importantly, WHY????


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Reports from other sources state he was free diving wearing a wetsuit, no scuba gear.

He apparently made several consecutive dives and on the final one failed to surface. This has all the indications of what is known as a 'shallow water blackout'.

It also "has all the indications of what is known as a heart attack" and a "brain aneurysm" and a "stroke" etc etc etc etc - only a proper autopsy will reveal the true cause of death.

You would make a fantastic detective wai.gif

You would make quite the Thai policeman. So easy to just say, "Farang drown."

The difference is, many travel and life insurance policies do not cover diving, and other sports deemed to be "extreme" - so, you, as a Thai policeman, so happy to dismiss the real cause of death and put sh*te on those looking for the facts, actually leave a family out of pocket, possible foreclosed on for their house back in farangland and in serious financial hardship.

All because YOU, as a Thai policeman, don't want to play "detective."

There is a bigger picture, usually back in farangland, that is at stake to most tourists deaths here.

But hey, as long as it never happens to you - right????

Wow that was quite a rant. Actually when I said you would make a fantastic detective I was being sarcastic, but clearly that went over your head.

As I do know quite a lot about diving being a Master Scuba Diver Trainer I would look for the most likely cause of the accident and that would in this case be a shallow water blackout.

Not quite sure what you mean by it's my fault his insurance won't pay out as he wasn't diving.

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“It appears from his scuba suit and equipment that he was an experienced diver.

This seems to be this sentence that is causing all the confusion. As usual the Phuket Gazette has some of the worst reporters and proof readers around here it seem. I've never heard of a wetsuit being called a SCUBA suit, until now and I started SCUBA diving in 1969. If you check the other news source that we can't quote here due to forum rule 31: "Quotes from and links to Phuketwan are also not allowed and will also be removed. In special cases forum Administrators or the news team may use these sources." It has a bit better account of what happened, IMO.

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@ Soupdragon

Seriously, not a rant.

As far as, "Master Scuba Diver Trainer" - what's that really got to do with this guy's true cause of death????


Of course, you could also be an "International Lawyer" or a "Forensic Doctor" - then you might understand just "nid noi" about what I am talking about.


Just give a small thought to the bigger picture.


If he drowned whilst diving, and his life/travel insurance policy doesn't cover "death whilst undertaking extreme sports" - Eg. diving - yet he ACTUALLY died of a heart attack, there's a big difference for the surviving members of his family.


I have no doubt the insurance company will legally stand on the Thai police findings - however shi*te they are - and they are usually sh*te findings - that he drowned whilst diving, that's really convenient , and profitable for the insurance company, BUT, that may not be the true cause of death.


So, "Master Diver/ Master Dectective/ Master Doctor/ Master Forensic
Expert/ Master International Lawyer" - where do you think the facts SHOULD lay for a case like this????

Edited by NamKangMan

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Its great to see all the usual PADI police preaching about the PADI standards and procedures. Whether he should be wearing a weight belt when free diving. What defines a scuba suit. The PADI buddy system should be enforced. Also discussions on whether it is illegal to spearfish whilst scuba diving. shallow water blackout. But the same preachers are bar fining girls and wearing knock off goods plus paying tea money to police. PADI Standards? No double standards! Now if you are basing your information on any Thai or Farang newspaper it really is a lost cause. Unless you were there its pointless speculating

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“It appears from his scuba suit and equipment that he was an experienced diver.

This seems to be this sentence that is causing all the confusion. As usual the Phuket Gazette has some of the worst reporters and proof readers around here it seem. I've never heard of a wetsuit being called a SCUBA suit, until now and I started SCUBA diving in 1969. If you check the other news source that we can't quote here due to forum rule 31: "Quotes from and links to Phuketwan are also not allowed and will also be removed. In special cases forum Administrators or the news team may use these sources." It has a bit better account of what happened, IMO.

Yes. Not sure who is to blame, the news reporters, or the Thai Police with their "press releases" wanting to treat everyone in the world like a mushroom, - "kept in the dark and feed BS" to protect Phuket's image.

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@ Soupdragon

Seriously, not a rant.

As far as, "Master Scuba Diver Trainer" - what's that really got to do with this guy's true cause of death????

Of course, you could also be an "International Lawyer" or a "Forensic Doctor" - then you might understand just "nid noi" about what I am talking about.

Just give a small thought to the bigger picture.

If he drowned whilst diving, and his life/travel insurance policy doesn't cover "death whilst undertaking extreme sports" - Eg. diving - yet he ACTUALLY died of a heart attack, there's a big difference for the surviving members of his family.

I have no doubt the insurance company will legally stand on the Thai police findings - however shi*te they are - and they are usually sh*te findings - that he drowned whilst diving, that's really convenient , and profitable for the insurance company, BUT, that may not be the true cause of death.

So, "Master Diver/ Master Dectective/ Master Doctor/ Master Forensic

Expert/ Master International Lawyer" - where do you think the facts SHOULD lay for a case like this????

He was not scuba diving, he was free diving, not that that makes any difference as scuba diving at a recreational level is NOT classed as an extreme sport and is covered by the vast majority of travel insurance policies. If you knew anything at all about scuba diving, which you say you don't, you would understand this as insurance coverage for diving is covered very early on in the training.

You say

where do you think the facts SHOULD lay for a case like this????

I can only guess that English is not your first language as that makes no sense at all. Facts are facts and it is totally irrelevant where I think they should lay.

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Reports from other sources state he was free diving wearing a wetsuit, no scuba gear.

He apparently made several consecutive dives and on the final one failed to surface. This has all the indications of what is known as a 'shallow water blackout'.

It also "has all the indications of what is known as a heart attack" and a "brain aneurysm" and a "stroke" etc etc etc etc - only a proper autopsy will reveal the true cause of death.

You would make a fantastic detective wai.gif

You would make quite the Thai policeman. So easy to just say, "Farang drown."

The difference is, many travel and life insurance policies do not cover diving, and other sports deemed to be "extreme" - so, you, as a Thai policeman, so happy to dismiss the real cause of death and put sh*te on those looking for the facts, actually leave a family out of pocket, possible foreclosed on for their house back in farangland and in serious financial hardship.

All because YOU, as a Thai policeman, don't want to play "detective."

There is a bigger picture, usually back in farangland, that is at stake to most tourists deaths here.

But hey, as long as it never happens to you - right????

This does happen, but less and less and is really the exception. So: many etc. is not true, and since he was not scuba diving anyway this is not applicable.

Please don't talk about things you know nothing about..

Edited by stevenl

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@ stevenl

Can you tell me why you belive one news source over another? Or, where you received the information that he was free diving, not scuba diving?

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@ stevenl

Can you tell me why you belive one news source over another? Or, where you received the information that he was free diving, not scuba diving?

The story as mentioned by PG just does not make sense for scuba diving, only for free diving. Plus no scuba gear on any of the photos, plus the police mentions (at least in the translation) a scuba suit but does not mention anything about breathing gear.

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@ Soupdragon

You say diving is covered by the "majority" of insurance companies, but we don't know which company, if any, this guys was with.

As far as where the "facts lay" for this incident, as explanied, in perfect English, I hope the true cause of death is determined, and the Thai "detectives" simply do not dismiss the death as a drowning.

This guy was an experienced diver and had previous knowledge of the dive site, so, if he had a heart attack (very easily determined by an autopsy) ANY and ALL life insurance and/or travel insurance will cover the family for repatriation costs and their financial future, this many not be the case with certain insurance companies if the Thai "detectives" just dismiss his death as a drowing, whilst diving, because it's less paperwork for them.

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