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110 baht a carton, so probably fake as well

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Headed back home and dropped off the passengers. The missus and I

decided to go and eat at Deiters restaurant in Prakhonchai. From there I

called my friend and said I would drop round some ciggies for him - I don't smoke!

As I pulled up outside his house two grey 'customs' vehicles sped up the

drive and ordered us out of the car.

Hmmmm... how would the cops know who your friend was, and where he lived? How would they know that you were going to be arriving there with the contraband?

How well do you know your friend? Methinks he had something to do with stitching you up.

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But far fetched this story for me.I was taken in but when customs followed op and his wife and then the mention of a Cambodian snitch.Mmm..Not for me this one Good luck.

What would you like - a signed affadavit, or a copy of the receipt for 14,355 Baht -

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There's no proof. Yes, you have a receipt. Yes, there were five people and five cartons.

But you've been here long enough to know that you've been had. TIT.

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110 baht a carton, so probably fake as well

Yes, my friend prefers them to the 300 Baht fakes at the Chong Chom border.

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Just slightly off topic,but where can I buy packs of 200 cigs international brand,or loose tobacco in Bkk?

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Headed back home and dropped off the passengers. The missus and I

decided to go and eat at Deiters restaurant in Prakhonchai. From there I

called my friend and said I would drop round some ciggies for him - I don't smoke!

As I pulled up outside his house two grey 'customs' vehicles sped up the

drive and ordered us out of the car.

Hmmmm... how would the cops know who your friend was, and where he lived? How would they know that you were going to be arriving there with the contraband?

How well do you know your friend? Methinks he had something to do with stitching you up.

Yoy are clueless or read the erong detective novels. Now keep up please...

They didn't need to know where my friend lived. My best guess is that the snitch followed me back from the border and saw me drop off the passengers. As in Fatfathers example it wss probably a reasonable bet that 5 cartons were in the car with 2 petsons - Jackpot, we have a pull. The snitch would have contacted the local Prakhonchai customs guys and I guess they picked me up after leaving the restaurant.

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The duty free allowance will be applied to accompanied personal effects up to Bath 10,000 worth if

i) the items are intended for your own personal or professional uses;

ii) the quantity are reasonable; and

iii) the items are not subject to prohibition or restriction.

However, there are limits on the amount of alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, cigars and smoking tobacco to which you may include in your duty free

personal exemption as follows:

  • 200 cigarettes or 250 grams of cigars or smoking tobacco; and
  • 1 litre of alcoholic beverages.

Personal effects do not include motor vehicles and motor vehicle parts regardless of the length of time used and owned.

http://www.customs.go.th/wps/wcm/connect/custen/travellers/allowance+and+relief/allowancerelief

the items are intended for your own personal or professional uses;

If for personal use,this can include smoking them, gifting them, or if so inclined, depostiting them where the sun don't shine!

Cardholder committed no criminal offence.

5 Adults passed through the border from Cambodia to Thailand, with their personal allowance of 1 carton of cigarettes each. It matters not who bought them on the Cambodian side.

Is there a lawyer in the house who will take this case on, and take the corrupt customs officials to court?

I don't agree.

The OP bought the ciggies (which exceed his allowance) ie they were his property.

He then distributed them to others to carry across the border - for the purpose of evading duty.

He then took possession of them again once inside Thailand, without the correct duty having being paid.

Sounds like a classic case of smuggling to me.

Doesn't appear to be any corruption to me - heavy handed perhaps.

ps you should have no problems finding "lawyers" on TV - I suggest you take a quick glance in the Thailand News forum. That is infested with them. coffee1.gif

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There's no proof. Yes, you have a receipt. Yes, there were five people and five cartons.

But you've been here long enough to know that you've been had. TIT.

Yes IB, but I want me - and others - to avoid 'being had' in the future.

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The duty free allowance will be applied to accompanied personal effects up to Bath 10,000 worth if

i) the items are intended for your own personal or professional uses;

ii) the quantity are reasonable; and

iii) the items are not subject to prohibition or restriction.

However, there are limits on the amount of alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, cigars and smoking tobacco to which you may include in your duty free

personal exemption as follows:

  • 200 cigarettes or 250 grams of cigars or smoking tobacco; and
  • 1 litre of alcoholic beverages.

Personal effects do not include motor vehicles and motor vehicle parts regardless of the length of time used and owned.

http://www.customs.go.th/wps/wcm/connect/custen/travellers/allowance+and+relief/allowancerelief

the items are intended for your own personal or professional uses;

If for personal use,this can include smoking them, gifting them, or if so inclined, depostiting them where the sun don't shine!

Cardholder committed no criminal offence.

5 Adults passed through the border from Cambodia to Thailand, with their personal allowance of 1 carton of cigarettes each. It matters not who bought them on the Cambodian side.

Is there a lawyer in the house who will take this case on, and take the corrupt customs officials to court?

I don't agree.

The OP bought the ciggies (which exceed his allowance) ie they were his property.

He then distributed them to others to carry across the border - for the purpose of evading duty.

He then took possession of them again once inside Thailand, without the correct duty having being paid.

Sounds like a classic case of smuggling to me.

Doesn't appear to be any corruption to me - heavy handed perhaps.

ps you should have no problems finding "lawyers" on TV - I suggest you take a quick glance in the Thailand News forum. That is infested with them. coffee1.gif

Have to agree,the purpose was to have all the 5 boxes to himself,so smuggling to me too.It amazes me sometimes,that after bringing 5 boxes back,smug in the fact that u have got them back into Thailand,then moan and groan when u get caught,man up and take the rap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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jackspratt, on 12 May 2013 - 16:28, said:

I don't agree.

The OP bought the ciggies (which exceed his allowance) ie they were his property.

He then distributed them to others to carry across the border - for the purpose of evading duty.

He then took possession of them again once inside Thailand, without the correct duty having being paid.

Sounds like a classic case of smuggling to me.

Doesn't appear to be any corruption to me - heavy handed perhaps.

ps you should have no problems finding "lawyers" on TV - I suggest you take a quick glance in the Thailand News forum. That is infested with them. coffee1.gif

There is no limit to the amount of cigarettes you can buy overseas. There is a limit to how many you can bring in to Thailand. Given that each person didn't go over the prescribed limit, no one broke the law.
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jackspratt, on 12 May 2013 - 16:28, said:

I don't agree.

The OP bought the ciggies (which exceed his allowance) ie they were his property.

He then distributed them to others to carry across the border - for the purpose of evading duty.

He then took possession of them again once inside Thailand, without the correct duty having being paid.

Sounds like a classic case of smuggling to me.

Doesn't appear to be any corruption to me - heavy handed perhaps.

ps you should have no problems finding "lawyers" on TV - I suggest you take a quick glance in the Thailand News forum. That is infested with them. coffee1.gif

There is no limit to the amount of cigarettes you can buy overseas. There is a limit to how many you can bring in to Thailand. Given that each person didn't go over the prescribed limit, no one broke the law.

I have no desire to debate this further - suffice to say, you are wrong.

In fact, the Customs people would have been within their legal rights to take action against each of the individuals who carried the ciggies over the border ie each of them broke the law.

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First, you were betrayed by someone, who would have been given a % of the 15k..

Second you did smuggle, as goods brought across the boarder must be for personal use only, as as the man said, I don't see 5 people.

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First, you were betrayed by someone, who would have been given a % of the 15k..

Second you did smuggle, as goods brought across the boarder must be for personal use only, as as the man said, I don't see 5 people.

Post #27 is quite a powerful argument against your assertion.

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I have no desire to debate this further - suffice to say, you are wrong.

In fact, the Customs people would have been within their legal rights to take action against each of the individuals who carried the ciggies over the border ie each of them broke the law.

If I am wrong, I would guess that 90% of travellers have broken the law, because I would expect that most of them have shared their purchases.
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