Jump to content
BANGKOK
Sign in to follow this  
cardholder

Fined 15,000 Baht For "smuggling"

Recommended Posts

First, you were betrayed by someone, who would have been given a % of the 15k..

Second you did smuggle, as goods brought across the boarder must be for personal use only, as as the man said, I don't see 5 people.

Post #27 is quite a powerful argument against your assertion.

The crime was premeditated, as you already admitted.

Oh, also very dangerous to carry things over boarders for other people.

Edited by AnotherOneAmerican

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

First, you were betrayed by someone, who would have been given a % of the 15k..

Second you did smuggle, as goods brought across the boarder must be for personal use only, as as the man said, I don't see 5 people.

Post #27 is quite a powerful argument against your assertion.

The crime was premeditated, as you already admitted.

Oh, also very dangerous to carry things over boarders for other people.

Remind me again - which crime, exactly?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wouldnt touch half the stuff at them markets especially the booze and cigs, you think their the real deal and not fakes?

Sent from my GT-P7500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Unlucky mate.

I go every Friday around lunch time, parking is much easier at that time, and for the last month or so I have seen at least two or three pick-ups being searched by Customs on the long stretch near my old place. There was no point in pulling you there as you had five people in the car, but they must have been watching you all the way to Dieters and beyond.

Edited by Thaddeus

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There is always intent of the law and the letter of the law. The intent is that any one person can not bring more than one carton. The letter says that one person can bring one carton. You crossed legally, you should not be fined. Customs could have done the same to you if you stopped for a rest stop and two people got out to piss.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe you were 'marked' at the point of sale since you bought 5 times the permitted amount.

 

Let you keep 2 packs of ciggies because that was the allowance for you and wife. As to the beer, obviously they were whisky drinkers..

 

Do not know what the official fine rates for 'smuggling' are, but since the op himself bought 5 times the allowance, distributed them to other people and the collected them on the Thai side he, in my view, guilty of smuggling.

 

Next time better to let each adult buy there own allowance and, as suggested,, collect from them the next day.

I understand your point and it is well made.

 

However, at the pointg of sale the vendor asked me how many people the purchase was for - hence the individually packed cartons.

 

 

Did I break the law ?  -  I ask this as a genuine question.

If you don't think you broke the law then why didn't you call their bluff and not pay the fine??

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe you were 'marked' at the point of sale since you bought 5 times the permitted amount.

Let you keep 2 packs of ciggies because that was the allowance for you and wife. As to the beer, obviously they were whisky drinkers..

Do not know what the official fine rates for 'smuggling' are, but since the op himself bought 5 times the allowance, distributed them to other people and the collected them on the Thai side he, in my view, guilty of smuggling.

Next time better to let each adult buy there own allowance and, as suggested,, collect from them the next day.

I understand your point and it is well made.

However, at the pointg of sale the vendor asked me how many people the purchase was for - hence the individually packed cartons.

Did I break the law ? - I ask this as a genuine question.

If you don't think you broke the law then why didn't you call their bluff and not pay the fine??

Whether one breaks the law or not isn't really irrelevent in Thailand.

Locked away, massive 'bail', vehicle impounded, all possibilities while still being innocent.

Edited by Khun Watchaporn
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I did what I have done before - bought 20 cans of Angkor (packed 4 per bag) and 5 cartons of Marlborough lights - also packed in individual bags. When we left each adult took out their allotted allowance.

Obviously some discussion and debate took place. We established that the going rate for a 'smuggling' fine was 35,000 Baht. It seemed that 28,000 might be acceptable. My suggestion to the missus to give them 2,000 Baht and tell them to f£$% off was not well received.

To cut a long story a bit shorter, the missus finished up paying 14,355 Baht - which I discovered from talking to a friend (who had a friend go through this) was something of a result.

Here we go then - what did I do wrong?

Marlboro from Cambodia would even make me to a Non smoker. Not even talking about their whiskey and the other bs. You should have told them to call the tourist police, #1155.

Then you would have seen them talking off pretty fast. You'd lost your common sense. That's what you did wrong.

What you did do wrong was to believe some fools. Did you even see their ID's? I'd have taken only 13,355 baht from you, because you don't smoke. w00t.gif

Edited by Maestro
Fixed quote tags

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What you did do wrong was to believe some fools. Did you even see their ID's?

I've been stopped by these chaps and seen their ID, they are the real deal.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe you were 'marked' at the point of sale since you bought 5 times the permitted amount.

Let you keep 2 packs of ciggies because that was the allowance for you and wife. As to the beer, obviously they were whisky drinkers..

Do not know what the official fine rates for 'smuggling' are, but since the op himself bought 5 times the allowance, distributed them to other people and the collected them on the Thai side he, in my view, guilty of smuggling.

Next time better to let each adult buy there own allowance and, as suggested,, collect from them the next day.

I understand your point and it is well made.

However, at the pointg of sale the vendor asked me how many people the purchase was for - hence the individually packed cartons.

Did I break the law ? - I ask this as a genuine question.

If you don't think you broke the law then why didn't you call their bluff and not pay the fine??

I thought about that and had already said we would come back on Monday with a lawyer. They said the choices were; go to amphur office now (and then to police station to pay) or 'go legal' with the case going to court maybe next week. In the meantime the car would be impounded. I was committed to pucking someone up to go and see Buriram Utd in an hours time and I have a hotel booking in Pattaya for Wednesday. What would you have done - really.

I had to go to the ATM and it crossed my mind to park up at another friend house, get a lift back, and tell them to get stuffed, I have have lent the car to a friend to go to Bangkok and I am paying nothing until I have had legal representation. THAT would have called their bluff.

In all honesty I was slightly fearful of incarceration. I didn't think they could do that, but T.I.T. and I have seen two Falangs spend time in the monkey house on trumped up charges.

So, on balance, I chose not to call their bluff. It was a damage limitation exercise and remember - it was the missus, not me, being interrogated................... Hmmmmmm!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We live in a land where corruption is considered fair as long as many people benefit. Where tea money collection is a job requirement for enforcement officers as is traffic violations elsewhere. RED Card and the monkey house? Beating the sods at their own game? Are you crazy? Relax my son, on a windy day bend or break, you aint gonna stop the wind!

I can visualise the farang with a line of plebs following all carrying their "show bags". Lead with your chin next time!

Consider yourself lucky it wasn't the Vat guys, the WEE-A-TEE police. You do not screw around with them.

Edited by IsaanAussie

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I did what I have done before - bought 20 cans of Angkor (packed 4 per bag) and 5 cartons of Marlborough lights - also packed in individual bags. When we left each adult took out their allotted allowance.

Obviously some discussion and debate took place. We established that the going rate for a 'smuggling' fine was 35,000 Baht. It seemed that 28,000 might be acceptable. My suggestion to the missus to give them 2,000 Baht and tell them to f£$% off was not well received.

To cut a long story a bit shorter, the missus finished up paying 14,355 Baht - which I discovered from talking to a friend (who had a friend go through this) was something of a result.

Here we go then - what did I do wrong?

Marlboro from Cambodia would even make me to a Non smoker. Not even talking about their whiskey and the other bs. You should have told them to call the tourist police, #1155.

Then you would have seen them talking off pretty fast. You'd lost your common sense. That's what you did wrong.

What you did do wrong was to believe some fools. Did you even see their ID's? I'd have taken only 13,355 baht from you, because you don't smoke. :w00t:

Not bad - 3 pages and only one fxxxxxx comedian!

These guys were for real, or maybe they had borrowed the keys to the amphur. Similarly, Prakhonchai police station was made of plastic and came from Trumpton - the police were, of course, cardboard cutouts!

Bloody H3ll Sirchai which planet, or what drugs, are you on?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe you should be renamed CartonHolder. Sorry R** couldn't resist!!

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did you break the law? i do not think so.

Were you scammed- most definitely

Going legal is sure a possibility, but think about the money involved.

Lawyer would have cost you around 20K-25K, so in the end you are out of pocket about the same, sure on principle it feels better but end result is the same(out of pocket)

About law being broken: You would be guilty if you were stopped at the border with over the allowed amount, however you were stopped way after that and at this point it is not relevant, only because you, wife, sister etc can each bring certain amount and give it to whoever they like, in your case they chose to give it to you-perfectly legal.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

110 baht a carton, so probably fake as well

Yes, my friend prefers them to the 300 Baht fakes at the Chong Chom border.

So next time tell your friend to make his own trip across the border as this one cost you 14,335 baht. I understand being a nice guy and doing favors for friends, but when it places you in a questionable position with the BiB, best to just smile and say you can no longer do this as a favor.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...