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For instance, airsoft rifles (not air-rifles) fire small super-light-weight plastic bullets that cannot kill anyone, no matter how much you try. Air-rifles fire 4.5mm or 5.5mm metal BBs can can hurt people (for instance, cause someone to go blind), but if they are under the legal limit they cannot kill an adult.

They can not kill an adult but make him blind? GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

What about kids? If I fully understand your statement, I have to conclude :

1) they can kill a kid or a baby.

2) both kid and/or baby do not count, count less than a responsible and mature adult who is playing John Wayne with a gun, and eventually goes so crazed he start to shoot the landowner of the farm where he is hunting ( mmmmmmmm .... seems I have read something like that in bangkok post, related to someone whith an important governemental post in some remote country. ... I do not remenber well, Rhumsomething?)

No, they cannot even kill a baby, unless it's a 2 day newborn that is lieing down and a person tries to shoot it in the soft area of the top of the head from point blank range, then _perhaps_ in _theory_. Also remember that a pingpong-ball can damage the brain if hitting here at this stage...

How rediciolus low should we go with 'safety'?

I say, ban ping pong balls.

The guy above is talking about where you are talking about air guns not air soft guns. Remember the recent case in Scotland where a toddler was killed by an air gun.

i am sorry but in the UK reason has prevailed and all the nutters and loony's who want guns are out on their arse - its called democracy and will of the people.

I would love to see a study and the correlation between the wannabee gun holders (of hanguns, and other designed for human killing guns) in the UK and nonces - Hamilton and Ryan would make fine candidates!

These figures look fine to me

Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

Homicide Suicide Unintentional

USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)

Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997)

Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998) -

Scotland 0.12 (1999) 0.27 (1999) -

England/Wales 0.12 (1999/00) 0.22 (1999) 0.01 (1999)

Japan 0.04* (1998) 0.04 (1995) <0.01 (1997)

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The law is going to be passed through the house soon and only some conservatives have scrambled to the defence of for example air-rifles (BB-guns, for you americans).

And again, these are items with zero attributed deaths.

You are seriously under educated, If you dont know about something dont act as if you do.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/print/news/5032596.shtml

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1865822005

http://icteesside.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news...-name_page.html

You beat me to posting about that one!

Some more facts regarding the UK - imitation and air guns are being used to commit crimes

Gun Crime in Great Britain

The official figures for gun crime in England and Wales in 2002/03 were announced in January 2004. There were a total of 24,070 firearm offences of which 57% (13,822) involved air weapons, the highest number of offences ever. The largest increase in offences was seen with imitation firearms for which there was an annual increase of 46% to 1815 offences.

The latest gun crime figures from Scotland show a total of 970 offences in which a firearm was alleged to have been used in 2003, a reduction of over 9% from 2002. A large proportion of the offences (43 percent) involved air weapons, and 37 percent were committed with unidentified weapons (the latter figure has increased significantly in recent years since Strathclyde (after 2001) and Lothian and Borders (after 2002) stopped making assumptions about what type of weapon was used even if it had not been identified - it was usually assumed that this was an air weapon for statistical returns and this is still likely to be the case). Handguns were involved in 29 offences, the lowest number since 1990. No handgun was used in any offence which caused injury or death.

Criminal statistics England and Wales 2002/2003. Supplementary Volume 1. Homicide and Gun Crime (edited by David Povey). National Statistics. January 2004

Recorded Crimes and Offences involving Firearms, Scotland, 2003. Scottish Executive National Statistical Bulletin. October 2004

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But it's not because the moron at the corner of the street have a colt that I have to have a shotgun, it will give nothing good.

Agreed.

Arming myself will only contribute to the escalation of violence.

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Arming myself will only contribute to the escalation of violence.

.................i've just bought a tank.

And I polish it every 3 days, whether it needs it or not :o

And I am negotiating with Russia over some unrequired ICBM's - the outlaw on the corner might have one and I do not want walk metaphorically naked past him!

And no adults killed with airguns???

Tawp really need to get his facts right.

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A man is on trial for manslaughter after he shot and killed a friend with an air rifle in his flat in Castleford (Yorkshire Post, 8 March 2005). Giving evidence one witness, a friend of both men, said:

"We would go hunting with air rifles and dogs. I have seen lots of people aim a gun at somebody and pull the trigger. It is messing about because you know it is not loaded."

Outside of the Uk I am only really interested in gun control as an academic exercise ie is there a correlation between gun control and lower gun murder rate etc but within the UK I am happy the debate over handguns and non-sporting guns has been won and put to bed.

I see nothing wrong with shotguns and certain rifles for sporting use and use by farmers and landowners - why any nutter ever thought having a kalishnikov type gun in the hands of a socially inadequate nonce like Michael Ryan or a handgun in the hands of a socially inadequate nonce like Thomas Hamilton was a good thing I will never know.

I am glad reason and good sense has prevailed within the UK where I vote - for other nations states its up to them.

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I do not want to push the discussion on US against EU, nor speak about J.Wayne policy. Anyway I have a lot of admiration for J Wayne, as man and as actor. But :

1) People in this forum who had to daily cary and use a guns in their professional life seems to no LOVE thier guns, nor love the fact they could have use it. Those I knew in the past who were in that situation had the same feeling. As I have.

2) Special forces, Intervention forces, Choc forces or CRAP units, have for policy everywhere in the world to 'disqulify' people who value guns and their usage. The reason? Well often those soldiers are caught in situation that not only endanger their life, but civilian life and also diplomatically dangerous for their government. A mere cowboy will do nothing good.

3) On the long run, all who LOVED guns in my units showed as people not able to copte with the various pressure you have in those units. Those people have a tendancy to turn 'chicken' quite easily.

4) What the f*** a civilian, mostly without any military knowledge (or without any recent military knowledge) must have a gun? I mean for what reason? Because he want a gun he must have one? I want BEnz, I want her baddly (I mean Pornchita na Songkla), should have the right to rape her on the ground I want her? Civilian want gun for? Shooting? Go to fares, their are stands for shooting. Do sport, there is pistols shooting, rifle shooting, even deer hunting was olympicsport in 1904 :o For hunting? Yeah, sure, Chicago Illinois, or Conflans sur Seine are well reputate to be good place for hunting, it is not. I lived 20 years upcountry in france, hunting is normal, as fishing. Each familly have a gun, but : it's not a right to do so, you have to complie with several laws examination, and anyway there is more wild pigs (sangliers) than human there (really upcountry). But the hel_l someone living in urban area (to give you an idea, I call urban area a place like Kissime in Florida, have to do with a gun. It's only perverted mind who can claim they need it, on the ground if they need it , they need it and they have to have it, if not they are not free and the country is full commies rules by a conjuration of zionist (or something like that).

Basically, in USA, the fact to have a gun at home was advocated by people as P.Revere, T. JEfferson, G.Washington, and some other amongst the time. We have to understand at that time things were slightly different in the whole world when compared with now:

The only army force in the wanabe USA was the english army (Called for the Indians wars) paid by the colonists (taxes). The colonist had only militia. The fact to be able to raise militias easily (because people have guns) was helpfull to fill the rank of the troops (for the military quality I will not comment). In several occasions, it was determinant to have citizen taken spontaneously their guns and starting to fight the royalist.

But it was 2 centuries ago, UK is not attacking Maine or Virginia anymore, and France is not Protecting USA in Cheaspeake Bay anymore. So politicaly, their is no need, appart maybe the need to have extrem (both right and left) heavily armed groups as pressure tools against some defavorised people (it can be a policy, but I doubt any responsible government will do it). There is no need for a citizen to have a gun on the ground to protect his life or his familly life, there is Police for that. Or Does Police does not do it work? Does your democratically MP refuse to hear your complains about that fact? Then the problem is far deeper than gun at home, but it mean a roten society, and it's off topic.

Guns do not give freedom, guns are also not an extension or a representation of your genital. (gimme your best shoot, old song in the end of the 70 from Pat benatar). If I can not cum, I can shoot. Compensation? Frustation? Peine a jouir? Impuissant?

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Wellt thanks guys I have now seen many views why the US is thought of as gun country. The right to having arms is a right guranteed in the constitution. Changing those laws is no easy thing. But that does not a mean that you can run around with fully auto Ak's That is illegal in every state. Most states have ristrictions on hand guns, but it is difficult to control. No criminal arrest history and you can purchase one. That still doesn't means you can walk around with it.

Some one pointed out very correctly that things have changed since the original laws were inacted. Now if I lived in a Cabin in say Alaska, I would want a good rifle and shotgun handy, But for wild animals not people. Personally I don't hunt a I have no intention of eating the food, there is no reason to kill it.

I have shot in competion matches and consider it great sport, because at the levels these guys shoot it's an art. Out of possible six hundred score many are getting 600, so the winners are named based on cm's. No one that I ever met at this matches had the John Wyane thing ( god love him) going on. They enjoyed an exacting sport, they were safe with thier guns and respected others. Trust me they would walk away if at all posssible.

The problem lies in those without experience, they don't know the mistakes that can be made and therefore more apt to make them. Even as a cop I had rule I would never carry my weapon if I was drinking, why your judgement goes down. You make a mistake with these things and people can die. Because in the end that is what they were made for killing.

A lot of the shooting statics in the states come from street gangs, something that you and I stand very little chance of being involved in, simply because if you are smart you don't hang out in those areas. Just as was pointed out about certain area of Thailand, I'm sure those places exist everywhere.A lot come from domestic disputes where booze is invloved and someone loses it just for a second at the wrong time. But knives do that pretty good to. Others accidents, training as well as good judgement and always keeping your mind on what you are doing is very important. As I mentioned I was a range Master, I recall one instance where a Lt. made an error and accidently discharged his weapon behind all of us on the shooting line. Now that was a trained individual with years of experience, but he lost it for just a second. Fortunatley no one was hurt. Then you also have intentional murder as well, if guns were not avialble I'm sure this group would find a way.

My first exposure to firearms in Thialand was is Pattaya and it was a Brit higher then a kite, brandished weapon at me over a traffic dispute. You would be surprised at how knowledgeable he became as a trafffic expert in my mind at that point. Anyway if I had a gun with me, I wouldn't have used it. Why because I could walk away, I was able to talk my way through it. That one was a big surprise to me, never expected that from a Brit, but I was wrong.

With some exception's most anywhere you can avoid these kinds of conflicts just seems a lot smarter to do that then to carry a gun around with you all the time. Trust me they become very heavy after a while and they are generally a pain in the rear.

I think as long a guns exist the debate will go on and on.

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As an ex Royal Marine I spent my military years around fire arms and that did not make me a gun freak.

I was taught from the start that "If you carry a gun you had better use it as sure as the sun comes up in the morning the other guy will" sad statement to make and justifies why in my opinion, fire arms should be totally banned and those who violate should be locked up and the keys thrown away.

For those that have experiences of the Philippines, I am sure you will agree that the overwhelming number of fire arms amongst the public is very frightening indeed. and it is because of this that the police have almost lost the battle against crime, assaults, robbery and murders.

Death by shootings in the Phils is so common that the press dont consider it news worthy and a hit man can be hired for as little as 5000 Baht.

Ban the ###### things is what I say and to those who advocate gun laws and the right to arm, I say you must have huge inferiority complexes.

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"I was taught from the start that "If you carry a gun you had better use it as sure as the sun comes up in the morning the other guy will" sad statement to make and justifies why in my opinion, fire arms should be totally banned and those who violate should be locked up and the keys thrown away.!

Exactly - the disincentives for carrying a gun in the UK should be made much harsher.

I can not remember what it is 3 or 5 years but maybe it should be raised as an automatic sentence.

According to Steven Levitt in Freakonomics this would work ;-)

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As an ex Royal Marine I spent my military years around fire arms and that did not make me a gun freak.

Seems that most ex-military, ex-police, and people who have been on a regular base around gun related violence are more than cautious in the issue of guns for all. Hmmm... :D:o

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As an ex Royal Marine I spent my military years around fire arms and that did not make me a gun freak.

Seems that most ex-military, ex-police, and people who have been on a regular base around gun related violence are more than cautious in the issue of guns for all. Hmmm... :D:o

Well, how to explain it? LEt say Beyrouth 83. If you do not know, look at wiki. There you learn what a gun can do, in both meaning of the term. They can impress and make things smooth (open a discussion with a LARC 89mm loaded help a lot for mutual understanding, but they can also close an interresting confrontation quickly (never hear of someone who got a 5.56 mm in the brain who is able to negociate after that).

I was qualified enought to be amongst those who escorted Y. Arrafat when he left Beyrouth, but I was never ever qualified to be sure to shoot the hand who had a gun (like in a western movie). So gun are made to kill (it's not about to stop a potential agressor, my foot is enought for that, nor to immobilisate an agressor, my 2 hands are enougt for that, and other ex professional will certainly say the same, a gun is made to kill.) Wanna be a murder? Not me thanks.

People formed to carry a gun on daily basis, are selected, and mostly Rambo is NOT selected. A cop have to think about the safety of the population, a special force have to do his duty with the less colateral damage involved (if not, better to use a nuke that a squad of Royal Marines, SEAL or Kieffer Commando Marine).

Anyway, it will be always people who have fantasm bigger than their life. It's like the guy who ask a lady if she want to have sex, if she say no, he will call her 'Slut', that what is obviusly not. Same same same same.

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Well, how to explain it?

No need to explain it to me - i have no military or law enforcement background, but have seen/still see/ and will see regularly gun related violence and its effects. That does somewhat turn me off guns in the hands of unqualified and unprofessional persons.

But please, do go ahead and explain it to the idiots who think that it is a god given right for any human to carry a gun. They seem to be in dire need of the real facts.

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The guy above is talking about where you are talking about air guns not air soft guns. Remember the recent case in Scotland where a toddler was killed by an air gun.

No, but _I_ was talking about airsoft guns. Since they, and _everything_ that _looks_ like a gun is going to be banned. It just showes the level of stupidity from the leftist politicians.

Did you know btw that some 10 years ago we had a serious criminal escape from a high security prison in Sweden using a 'gun'? Well, acctually, it wasn't a gun, it was a piece of wood, painted black.

Should we ban wood and black paint?

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The guy above is talking about where you are talking about air guns not air soft guns. Remember the recent case in Scotland where a toddler was killed by an air gun.

No, but _I_ was talking about airsoft guns. Since they, and _everything_ that _looks_ like a gun is going to be banned. It just showes the level of stupidity from the leftist politicians.

Did you know btw that some 10 years ago we had a serious criminal escape from a high security prison in Sweden using a 'gun'? Well, acctually, it wasn't a gun, it was a piece of wood, painted black.

Should we ban wood and black paint?

that's all you can say TAWPY, You get shot down in flames (Excuse the pun) and all you can do is rabbit on about some &lt;deleted&gt; that broke out of a swedish prison with a hunk of wood! :o Stroll on.

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