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I have been living in Thailand for five years now and my experience tells me Kurnell is spot on! sms

Incidents like this are nothing to do with face. If a Thai boy loses face in front of a young, fit, obviously strong farang/Thai/Chinese, and he has no gun/knife/friends to support him then he will do what all cowardly Thai men do and sit there, shut up and do nothing, likely until; he goes somewhere else where he can find an easy target like his girlfriend or a handy dog to kick. This is the way they are brought up, i.e. no morals, spoilt by their equally morally corrupt parents.

I cannot relate at all to this sort of "culture" and that is why I don't have any Thai male friends, and probably why most expats don't either. I know all Thai men are not like this but obviously a lot are. A higher percentage than any other country I have ever been to, and these sorts of frequent, pathetic violent incidents support my opinion. If Thailand wanted to stamp this out, they could but unfortunately the people that should be enforcing this are the same as the criminals that kill farangs.

Then why live here, maybe because you can't get girls easy anywhere else ?

Seriously if I had such a problem with Thai males or everything in Thailand I would be gone.

I certainly have my complaints about Thailand, its corruption, lack of quality and driving style. But i got a lot more thing to counter that.

You and Kurnell remind me of that Dutch guy who could not stop talking trash about Thai guys denigrating them all while he was an old shriveled guy with little accomplishments himself. Only thing he came for were the Thai girls as they were different, guess the difference was he could have sex with them.

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I have been living in Thailand for five years now and my experience tells me Kurnell is spot on! sms

Incidents like this are nothing to do with face. If a Thai boy loses face in front of a young, fit, obviously strong farang/Thai/Chinese, and he has no gun/knife/friends to support him then he will do what all cowardly Thai men do and sit there, shut up and do nothing, likely until; he goes somewhere else where he can find an easy target like his girlfriend or a handy dog to kick. This is the way they are brought up, i.e. no morals, spoilt by their equally morally corrupt parents.

I cannot relate at all to this sort of "culture" and that is why I don't have any Thai male friends, and probably why most expats don't either. I know all Thai men are not like this but obviously a lot are. A higher percentage than any other country I have ever been to, and these sorts of frequent, pathetic violent incidents support my opinion. If Thailand wanted to stamp this out, they could but unfortunately the people that should be enforcing this are the same as the criminals that kill farangs.

Then why live here, maybe because you can't get girls easy anywhere else ?

Seriously if I had such a problem with Thai males or everything in Thailand I would be gone.

I certainly have my complaints about Thailand, its corruption, lack of quality and driving style. But i got a lot more thing to counter that.

You and Kurnell remind me of that Dutch guy who could not stop talking trash about Thai guys denigrating them all while he was an old shriveled guy with little accomplishments himself. Only thing he came for were the Thai girls as they were different, guess the difference was he could have sex with them.

I live here for the salary sunshine, and the cost of living. I don't mix with Thai males, didn't you read my post??? Why do I need to give up a huge salary just because I have an opinion about Thai males?? By all means mix with Thai boys if it works for you. <deleted> blokes like you always have to pull out that old chestnut "if you don't like it go home". I like it here. I don't get along with Thai blokes get it?? You can borrow my dictionary if you are still struggling with the concept.

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I have been living in Thailand for five years now and my experience tells me Kurnell is spot on! sms

Incidents like this are nothing to do with face. If a Thai boy loses face in front of a young, fit, obviously strong farang/Thai/Chinese, and he has no gun/knife/friends to support him then he will do what all cowardly Thai men do and sit there, shut up and do nothing, likely until; he goes somewhere else where he can find an easy target like his girlfriend or a handy dog to kick. This is the way they are brought up, i.e. no morals, spoilt by their equally morally corrupt parents.

I cannot relate at all to this sort of "culture" and that is why I don't have any Thai male friends, and probably why most expats don't either. I know all Thai men are not like this but obviously a lot are. A higher percentage than any other country I have ever been to, and these sorts of frequent, pathetic violent incidents support my opinion. If Thailand wanted to stamp this out, they could but unfortunately the people that should be enforcing this are the same as the criminals that kill farangs.

Then why live here, maybe because you can't get girls easy anywhere else ?

Seriously if I had such a problem with Thai males or everything in Thailand I would be gone.

I certainly have my complaints about Thailand, its corruption, lack of quality and driving style. But i got a lot more thing to counter that.

You and Kurnell remind me of that Dutch guy who could not stop talking trash about Thai guys denigrating them all while he was an old shriveled guy with little accomplishments himself. Only thing he came for were the Thai girls as they were different, guess the difference was he could have sex with them.

I live here for the salary sunshine, and the cost of living. I don't mix with Thai males, didn't you read my post??? Why do I need to give up a huge salary just because I have an opinion about Thai males?? By all means mix with Thai boys if it works for you. <deleted> blokes like you always have to pull out that old chestnut "if you don't like it go home". I like it here. I don't get along with Thai blokes get it?? You can borrow my dictionary if you are still struggling with the concept.

No need to denigrate them at all point mr "anaconda" that kind of remarks give me a great insight in how you think. Blokes like me almost never pull the old chestnut if you dont like it leave because i almost hate it as much as you. But someone that demeans the complete male population of the country he lives in and tars them with the same brush is in my book totally nuts.

We all have our complaints about Thailand read my posts and you will find enough of them, but I am just not as bigoted as you. What you stated about ALL thai males was so bad its plain crazy. Remember guys like Abisith are also Thai males we are not talking only motorcycle taxi guys. I find it unbelievable to make such a comment.

Edit.. sorry later you get back to part of your comment stating its a lot.. but you started out with all.

Low education low class idiots in any country are like pack hounds.. you will find those where you came from and where I came from.

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Based on 20 years in Thailand, and I have been to every square in of the country. Bang goes your theory.

Maybe you should try a little harder to make some male Thai friends. I can assure you that your views are very stereotypical and prejudiced, and wrong.

Well Kurnell doesn't seem to want to make Thai male friends and that is his choice. No one can force him to. And I don't think he is alone - few foreigners seem to associate extensively with Thai males.

Incidentally, despite my fluent Thai and everything, many Thai males are a weird bunch and are not easy to befriend. Thailand has more gay men than anywhere else in the world (not that there's anything wrong with that) but it's difficult being straight and having close friends that are gay due to the vast differences in lifestyles, opinions and all. Some estimates suggest 1 in 4 Thai men in Bangkok are gay, although I would say it's probably closer to 1 in 2. Nevertheless, I have a couple of Thai male friends, but we aren't that close - for the most part there is very little common ground and even though these men I know are straight, they don't do the same sort of macho things that men back home or in other countries do. In Vietnam and China most of my local friends are male, but those countries are more "masculine" than Thailand anyway. Perhaps this helps to explain the situation regarding Thai men and foreign men relationships somewhat.

And of course this helps to explain what some posters have mentioned as the "not happy to lose face" mentality that results in local men often going crazy when insulted etc. However, despite all this I am still a firm believer that most people in Thailand are good people that would only flip out if they are being physically provoked - I just can't believe that they would attack or kill someone for saying something bad about their mother - it really has to be a physical attack of some sort which in the case of this story appears to have been the case.

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Based on 20 years in Thailand, and I have been to every square in of the country. Bang goes your theory.

Maybe you should try a little harder to make some male Thai friends. I can assure you that your views are very stereotypical and prejudiced, and wrong.

Well Kurnell doesn't seem to want to make Thai male friends and that is his choice. No one can force him to. And I don't think he is alone - few foreigners seem to associate extensively with Thai males.

Incidentally, despite my fluent Thai and everything, many Thai males are a weird bunch and are not easy to befriend. Thailand has more gay men than anywhere else in the world (not that there's anything wrong with that) but it's difficult being straight and having close friends that are gay due to the vast differences in lifestyles, opinions and all. Some estimates suggest 1 in 4 Thai men in Bangkok are gay, although I would say it's probably closer to 1 in 2. Nevertheless, I have a couple of Thai male friends, but we aren't that close - for the most part there is very little common ground and even though these men I know are straight, they don't do the same sort of macho things that men back home or in other countries do. In Vietnam and China most of my local friends are male, but those countries are more "masculine" than Thailand anyway. Perhaps this helps to explain the situation regarding Thai men and foreign men relationships somewhat.

And of course this helps to explain what some posters have mentioned as the "not happy to lose face" mentality that results in local men often going crazy when insulted etc. However, despite all this I am still a firm believer that most people in Thailand are good people that would only flip out if they are being physically provoked - I just can't believe that they would attack or kill someone for saying something bad about their mother - it really has to be a physical attack of some sort which in the case of this story appears to have been the case.

It is his good right not to have Thai friends, anyone should be able to choose the friends he likes. I was more going about how he denigrated all Thai guys in a real bad way. Later he comes back to that a bit but I was already angry about that not having read the second part good (yes I do make mistakes too). Anyway was great fishing with those guys they brought me to places where I else never was able to go to. About fishing we could talk as I mastered that part in Thai but still so many things i could not say. Anyway they never asked for more money then they asked their other friends (like sharing the fuel for a car on a fishing trip). They were appalled about the dual pricing at one fishing lake and begged them to let me in for Thai price. There are plenty of good Thais but communication and our upbringing does make it harder to have them as friends. But to see them all as savages is the other end.

Dont forget Thais themselves warn people for MC taxi drivers and such.. Thais are not a homogeneous group.

I have some Thai friends but I am still not good enough in Thai to have in depth conversation. But it is hard to find Thais with the same interests and background as me. That has nothing to do with them being Thai but just education and upbringing. Same goes with foreigners got foreign friends but none that likes exactly what I like but in general we have more of a shared background and communication is easier.

Anyway back to the topic on hand, in my opinion the Americans were at least partly to blame, but the Thais just way overdid it and I hope they get punished for it. But murder it was not.

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Anyway back to the topic on hand, in my opinion the Americans were at least partly to blame, but the Thais just way overdid it and I hope they get punished for it. But murder it was not.

I would disagree. There's not enough known about what exactly happened and most of which is being told is tainted as its mostly coming from the accused who have every reason to lie.

If, as stated earlier, the band waited outside the venue in order for revenge on the Americans, I would say murder is a possibility.

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Based on 20 years in Thailand, and I have been to every square in of the country. Bang goes your theory.

Maybe you should try a little harder to make some male Thai friends. I can assure you that your views are very stereotypical and prejudiced, and wrong.

Well Kurnell doesn't seem to want to make Thai male friends and that is his choice. No one can force him to. And I don't think he is alone - few foreigners seem to associate extensively with Thai males.

Incidentally, despite my fluent Thai and everything, many Thai males are a weird bunch and are not easy to befriend. Thailand has more gay men than anywhere else in the world (not that there's anything wrong with that) but it's difficult being straight and having close friends that are gay due to the vast differences in lifestyles, opinions and all. Some estimates suggest 1 in 4 Thai men in Bangkok are gay, although I would say it's probably closer to 1 in 2. Nevertheless, I have a couple of Thai male friends, but we aren't that close - for the most part there is very little common ground and even though these men I know are straight, they don't do the same sort of macho things that men back home or in other countries do. In Vietnam and China most of my local friends are male, but those countries are more "masculine" than Thailand anyway. Perhaps this helps to explain the situation regarding Thai men and foreign men relationships somewhat.

And of course this helps to explain what some posters have mentioned as the "not happy to lose face" mentality that results in local men often going crazy when insulted etc. However, despite all this I am still a firm believer that most people in Thailand are good people that would only flip out if they are being physically provoked - I just can't believe that they would attack or kill someone for saying something bad about their mother - it really has to be a physical attack of some sort which in the case of this story appears to have been the case.

It is his good right not to have Thai friends, anyone should be able to choose the friends he likes. I was more going about how he denigrated all Thai guys in a real bad way. Later he comes back to that a bit but I was already angry about that not having read the second part good (yes I do make mistakes too). Anyway was great fishing with those guys they brought me to places where I else never was able to go to. About fishing we could talk as I mastered that part in Thai but still so many things i could not say. Anyway they never asked for more money then they asked their other friends (like sharing the fuel for a car on a fishing trip). They were appalled about the dual pricing at one fishing lake and begged them to let me in for Thai price. There are plenty of good Thais but communication and our upbringing does make it harder to have them as friends. But to see them all as savages is the other end.

Dont forget Thais themselves warn people for MC taxi drivers and such.. Thais are not a homogeneous group.

I have some Thai friends but I am still not good enough in Thai to have in depth conversation. But it is hard to find Thais with the same interests and background as me. That has nothing to do with them being Thai but just education and upbringing. Same goes with foreigners got foreign friends but none that likes exactly what I like but in general we have more of a shared background and communication is easier.

Anyway back to the topic on hand, in my opinion the Americans were at least partly to blame, but the Thais just way overdid it and I hope they get punished for it. But murder it was not.

Now there's dual pricing when you go fishing at a lake? Where was this? What else can they come up with to get an extra buck out of foreigners? The lamest one that I read about recently was some "coffee shop" in Nana or somewhere nearby that charges foreigners a measly 10 Baht more for a cup of coffee. Just when I thought that dual pricing was limited to national parks, some temples, museums etc. but this is just way over the top.

Yes you are absolutely right I believe the Americans did react a bit over the top at first, but at no point should that have been translated to murder - well, manslaughter actually given I don't think what the Thai musicians did was premeditated. I hope that this story can be used as an example of how not to react when things don't go well whilst on holiday in LOS or just overseas in general.

Also after reading that the guy gave a 1000 Baht tip I was appalled but I also thought to myself: "no wonder he tried to take it back, such a large amount of money". Giving a 1000 Baht tip is an example of just throwing money around - who gives tips large enough to feed a poor family in a developing country for 2 weeks anyway? That's just absolutely ridiculous. Lengthy periods spent living in China after a stint living in America and I'm now used to giving absolutely no tips at all most places I frequent...but that's fine because Thailand is not a tipping culture anyway. It's over tipping tourists that ruin it. However, I'm more than happy to do things the local way, for example in India most services require some baksheesh, i.e. a small monetary tip so things actually get done, but it's usually only 10-20 Rupees never a ridiculous amount like 2000 or 5000 except if the favor fits into the category of bribery.

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