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The Shop Girl must have been dumb,or never visited Geneva Airport where anyone can see Native Africans buying Rolexes by the handfull.coffee1.gif

Yeah, I like the idea of a gear shift to Oprah. People don't really seem very engaged with my Indian spice racism stories.

I do, but then i liked Thai Food till i lived here. Its so over Pric. Spiced, Chicken could be Pork to me. Now thats Racist to P.C. nutters.giggle.gif

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The Shop Girl must have been dumb,or never visited Geneva Airport where anyone can see Native Africans buying Rolexes by the handfull.coffee1.gif

Yeah, I like the idea of a gear shift to Oprah. People don't really seem very engaged with my Indian spice racism stories.

I do, but then i liked Thai Food till i lived here. Its so over Pric. Spiced, Chicken could be Pork to me. Now thats Racist to P.C. nutters.giggle.gif

The ingredients in Thai restaurants in the west are often of much higher quality than is widely sold in Thailand, especially BEEF. As far as spice levels, I don't see how many people would have much problem asking for Thai food to be cooked blandly here. Not really a matter of PC or not. I have met many Thai people who don't like Thai food as spicy as I do and they have no problem getting it that way either.

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I never tried indian food, but think it will work same as with thai food.

When i order thai food, i speak thai, and in the very few instances they are uncertain, they will ask if i want spicy,

and i confirm.

Likewise i think if you learn the few sentences it takes to order indian dishes, in indian language,

there wont be much of misunderstanding, add that you'd want spicy in indian language too

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Oh please. Is there something you didn't understand about the phrase: FLUENT ENGLISH. Most of the Indian places I go I am talking to waiters and owners in FLUENT ENGLISH. Not talking about Thai restaurants.

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Still, next time, ask out of curiosity how to say -"i want spicy indian food in Hindi ? "

it will give them a very good hint

OK, noted.

I generally don't ever go back to a restaurant that has dissed me badly such as the Momo place. Ketchup, were they joking?

In Pattaya there are scads of Indian places, they are opening and closing all the time. No need to reward bad places so I don't.

None of them are really that great though which is why I try to try all the NEW places at least once as hope springs eternal.

People living in places with one or two choices would be stuck.

Of course IF the food was exceptionally good, I would make an exception and try again.

The place where I insulted the Indian chef to his face about how bad his food was, that place, I'll never go back. No snot curry for me, thank you!

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This is not your first altercation in a restaurant is it? In fact in reflection of your own threads, I know it isn't and as we have only one version, obviously I understand the difficulties of getting both views, but perhaps the context of your restaurant reviews are based on this. However, I believe that your experiences are racist, and based on the limited information at my disposal, the racism is down to you, and what appears to be your complete contempt at their service/fare provided. I would suggest, based purely on your posting style here and your historic problems in restaurants, you are the common denominator. Think about it, just for a moment. I was in an area recently that was exclusively Thai, my Thai is fairly limited, I wanted my fare spicy, guess what?

Surely the OP had a right to have what he ordered.

It is not racist but simple Thai incompetence, or arrogance, in believing that THEY know best what a farang wants to eat. Having made it crystal clear that he likes spicy etc the OP deserved better service.

Advisory to OP - next time try a Thai phrase like "ooh, mai pet. mai arroy" - repeat 3 or 4 times and you might, MIGHT, just get something nearer to your tastes.

If you really want to test how big their <deleted> are also try "Mai chai Farang pet, Ao THAI pet - khao jai mai?"

If you want to test how big YOUR <deleted> are then tell the server (and preferably also the house manager) that you are specifically ordering your food SPICY and it if it does not come like that you will not expect to pay the bill.

Can't help you with the Thai on the last one but be prepared to expect something Bhut Jolokia-style that is in excess of 1,000,000 on the Scoville scale smile.png

Mossfin is probably suggesting that you contributed to your own downfall. I call that BS. It is not your responsibility to train the staff how to do their job properly - although my advice, correctly administered, should encourage them to get your order right.

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Upon reflection, i think I too would take it as a personal insult if they came with ketchup.

How about grab the waiter by the ear and squeeze that ketchup down his throught and ask if he likes it ?

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Thanks Cardholder.

This was specifically though about spice race bias at INDIAN restaurants mostly with Indian English speaking owners and staff.

Personally I have little problem with this kind of thing at local THAI restaurants.

The real question also wasn't so much how to solve this problem in all cases at all places (you can't) but is it actually a kind of RACISM to think people who are a certain skin color really can't take authentically spiced foods and really don't want it even when you TELL them you want it.

It's crazy really. You go to an Indian place and the first thing that pops into their mind is that you really DON'T want to eat Indian food, it must be some kind of mistake. Like going to a gay bar and being told, your skin color only likes girls.

I still think yes, it is a kind of racism. A mild kind like the food they think you can only eat, but VERY annoying, and still racism.

As I said before imagine an Indian person approaching a fine French restaurant in Paris and offered a vindaloo style of Coquilles St. Jacques. Would he be insulted and think he was being racially stereotyped? I think so. Get the point? In fact, bizarrely I asked the same kind of question of the manager who claimed it wasn't racism at HIS restaurant and he agreed he would be very insulted if that kind of thing happened to him based on being Indian.

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Life is funny at times.What some people see as being racist I see as being helpful. "The kebabs are not spicy" Thank you but today I fancy something a bit spicy!

"We can do vindaloo style Coquilles St. Jacque". Excellent I will have some of that ...or... I think today I will have it French style! Too much PC for me, a bit like two boxers, Jones a negro and Smith a white man. The commentator says you can distinguish Jones as he is wearing red shorts! We can usually see ones race by looks and help is offered and maybe get a sale. Such help should be accepted as such and do not think it is a racist comment.

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Again, it's not funny to me.

Too many times these places demand full payment from me and didn't give me what I want, what I ASKED for explicitly, all because of my skin color.

It's not the biggest issue in the world, but it IS wrong.

It's also not a matter of PC really. It's about businesses treating customers really badly, again based on RACE, more like a CONSUMER issue. The Indians get full value for money, I leave unsatisfied and feeling correctly that I've been RIPPED off.

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Thank God the Indian restaurants here in SR are better; every one go to I am asked how I like my food (grew up with Indian food and thus like it spicy).

But I think the problem also stems from the guests. We (I work in a hotel) are often asked to make the food spice; once the food comes it is too spicy and sent backfacepalm.gif

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The Shop Girl must have been dumb,or never visited Geneva Airport where anyone can see Native Africans buying Rolexes by the handfull.coffee1.gif

Yeah, I like the idea of a gear shift to Oprah. People don't really seem very engaged with my Indian spice racism stories.

i am not at all comfortable with that mental image. thanks for nothing.

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The Shop Girl must have been dumb,or never visited Geneva Airport where anyone can see Native Africans buying Rolexes by the handfull.coffee1.gif

Yeah, I like the idea of a gear shift to Oprah. People don't really seem very engaged with my Indian spice racism stories.

i am not at all comfortable with that mental image. thanks for nothing.

I am not the boss of your interesting brain filters. whistling.gif

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