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I must have lost count of the English language news sources in Pattaya, but it is a multiple of three, I would think written press and radio/tv together about 10?

Why I would need a geography lesson ?

How many of those news sources are published here on Thaivisa? And the geography lesson would be that: Phuket is a province, Pattaya is a city in the province of Chon Buri...

Well that was a good try.

Pattaya one, pattaya mail, pattaya people, Pattaya daily, 103 fm...............I need to go on ?

We all know that 99% of the crimes reported on the Phuket forum concerning foreigners, happen in the tourist area which is only a very small part of the Phuket province.

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I must have lost count of the English language news sources in Pattaya, but it is a multiple of three, I would think written press and radio/tv together about 10?

Why I would need a geography lesson ?

How many of those news sources are published here on Thaivisa? And the geography lesson would be that: Phuket is a province, Pattaya is a city in the province of Chon Buri...

Well that was a good try.

Pattaya one, pattaya mail, pattaya people, Pattaya daily, 103 fm...............I need to go on ?

We all know that 99% of the crimes reported on the Phuket forum concerning foreigners, happen in the tourist area which is only a very small part of the Phuket province.

Obviously, the stats would have to be on a per-capita basis, but I would not be surprised if Phuket has overtaken Pattaya as being a higher risk for becoming a victim of crime, per-capita.

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Actually this type of crime seems to increase about this time of the year around Rawai. Yet we still don't have any police patrols at night. My neighbor is out there right now patrolling as one of the heads of the civil defense volunteers in Rawai. The Chalong Police showed up today to collect fines on Soi Sai Yuan this afternoon, but they really can't be bothered to do their real jobs and deter crime at night. It doesn't pay nearly as well and it's a lot more dangerous to deal with the punk kids around here... So much for the clean up Phuket rhetoric I've been reading in some of the local news this month...

This is why Phuket has the crime problem it has now. Phuket was always going to get to this point, eventually, well, it appears it's there now.

We have had a disfunctional police force for many years that has seen collecting tea money and money from traffic tickets and bribes as more important than having an active presence to deter crime, especially at night. That, coupled with the fact anyone can get never ending bail, even for serious crimes, if you pay, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of justice taking place on Phuket. There certainly doesn't seem to be the locking up of criminals for the protection of the public.

Had this German guy been murdered, and that's hard to prove when you are kicked off your motorbike, because the assailants ride off and your injuries can be attributed to a motorbike accident, not kicked to the head or hit on the head or body with a heavy blunt instrument.

So, they see they have killed the guy, just take the cash and leave jewellery and phone and it looks like the cause of death is a motorbike accident. Just as much a perfect murder as throwing someone off a balcony. Sure, the BIB are happy to write it off as motorbike accident as well.

The police seem to work hard when a tourist has obviously been murdered, mainly because of the global bad publicity and the "tarnishing of Phuket's image" but wouldn't a little more prevention be better than the cure, not to mention, it would save a few lives and serious trauma.

Corruption is like cancer. It spreads and ultimately kills, one way or another.

Unfortunately, we only have to look at the whole system here to see how it was destined to fail for the people, particularly, police paying money to be transfered here. Just a ridiculous situation.

I really do wonder how bad they will allow it to get before they admit that real and effective change must be implemented, or risk major losses from the tourism sector.

We can all only hope that crime does not get that out of control here that our lifestyles are affected. Anyone member mentioned his friends do not go out at night anymore. I will leave the island before I become a prisoner in my own home due to criminal behaviour here.

I really hope it never comes to that, but corruption is so ystematic, entrenched and endemic here that I can not see any positive change in the future.

We agree again! Amazing! I rarely go out at night, if I do I drive my truck. I still never have any problems, I'm pretty well know here. But we are headed back to California for the next 9 months. Finally got the visa and it's great to have options! I don't have to stay here, especially in "high season"!

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I must have lost count of the English language news sources in Pattaya, but it is a multiple of three, I would think written press and radio/tv together about 10?

Why I would need a geography lesson ?

How many of those news sources are published here on Thaivisa? And the geography lesson would be that: Phuket is a province, Pattaya is a city in the province of Chon Buri...

Well that was a good try.

Pattaya one, pattaya mail, pattaya people, Pattaya daily, 103 fm...............I need to go on ?

We all know that 99% of the crimes reported on the Phuket forum concerning foreigners, happen in the tourist area which is only a very small part of the Phuket province.

Great, I only see reports on here from Pattaya One. And as for your other comment I will agree. So instead of posting Pattaya versus Phuket, you should be posting Pattaya versus Patong. Right?

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Actually this type of crime seems to increase about this time of the year around Rawai. Yet we still don't have any police patrols at night. My neighbor is out there right now patrolling as one of the heads of the civil defense volunteers in Rawai. The Chalong Police showed up today to collect fines on Soi Sai Yuan this afternoon, but they really can't be bothered to do their real jobs and deter crime at night. It doesn't pay nearly as well and it's a lot more dangerous to deal with the punk kids around here... So much for the clean up Phuket rhetoric I've been reading in some of the local news this month...

This is why Phuket has the crime problem it has now. Phuket was always going to get to this point, eventually, well, it appears it's there now.

We have had a disfunctional police force for many years that has seen collecting tea money and money from traffic tickets and bribes as more important than having an active presence to deter crime, especially at night. That, coupled with the fact anyone can get never ending bail, even for serious crimes, if you pay, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of justice taking place on Phuket. There certainly doesn't seem to be the locking up of criminals for the protection of the public.

Had this German guy been murdered, and that's hard to prove when you are kicked off your motorbike, because the assailants ride off and your injuries can be attributed to a motorbike accident, not kicked to the head or hit on the head or body with a heavy blunt instrument.

So, they see they have killed the guy, just take the cash and leave jewellery and phone and it looks like the cause of death is a motorbike accident. Just as much a perfect murder as throwing someone off a balcony. Sure, the BIB are happy to write it off as motorbike accident as well.

The police seem to work hard when a tourist has obviously been murdered, mainly because of the global bad publicity and the "tarnishing of Phuket's image" but wouldn't a little more prevention be better than the cure, not to mention, it would save a few lives and serious trauma.

Corruption is like cancer. It spreads and ultimately kills, one way or another.

Unfortunately, we only have to look at the whole system here to see how it was destined to fail for the people, particularly, police paying money to be transfered here. Just a ridiculous situation.

I really do wonder how bad they will allow it to get before they admit that real and effective change must be implemented, or risk major losses from the tourism sector.

We can all only hope that crime does not get that out of control here that our lifestyles are affected. Anyone member mentioned his friends do not go out at night anymore. I will leave the island before I become a prisoner in my own home due to criminal behaviour here.

I really hope it never comes to that, but corruption is so ystematic, entrenched and endemic here that I can not see any positive change in the future.

We agree again! Amazing! I rarely go out at night, if I do I drive my truck. I still never have any problems, I'm pretty well know here. But we are headed back to California for the next 9 months. Finally got the visa and it's great to have options! I don't have to stay here, especially in "high season"!

Yes, the "greed factor" does increase during the high season, making it an even more unfriendly place to be. I arrange to do a slightly more lengthy visa run during high season, which is a nice break, but always happy to be back, and even happier when high season finishes.

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I must have lost count of the English language news sources in Pattaya, but it is a multiple of three, I would think written press and radio/tv together about 10?

Why I would need a geography lesson ?

How many of those news sources are published here on Thaivisa? And the geography lesson would be that: Phuket is a province, Pattaya is a city in the province of Chon Buri...

Well that was a good try.

Pattaya one, pattaya mail, pattaya people, Pattaya daily, 103 fm...............I need to go on ?

We all know that 99% of the crimes reported on the Phuket forum concerning foreigners, happen in the tourist area which is only a very small part of the Phuket province.

Great, I only see reports on here from Pattaya One. And as for your other comment I will agree. So instead of posting Pattaya versus Phuket, you should be posting Pattaya versus Patong. Right?

That's an interesting point Jimi, but as Bangla Road is Phuket's biggest tourist attraction, the majority of tourists come into Patong to see it, and maybe party for the night. Then, later in the night, there are the usual arguments with tuk-tuk drivers, pickpocketing ladyboys, overzealous Thai security looking to beat up a foreigner, arguments over the amounts of drinks on the bill etc etc.

Then, many tourists and expats will ride home and crash, or have a problem with the teenage gangs.

In Pattaya, you don't have to go to Wlking Street for "adult entertainment" as it's all over Pattaya and just outside the majority of hotels, but on Phuket, you have to get to Patong for serious nightlife and a good vafriety of eateries. The travel is the main risk, either on your rental scooter or with a tuk-tuk driver.

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I must have lost count of the English language news sources in Pattaya, but it is a multiple of three, I would think written press and radio/tv together about 10?

Why I would need a geography lesson ?

How many of those news sources are published here on Thaivisa? And the geography lesson would be that: Phuket is a province, Pattaya is a city in the province of Chon Buri...

Well that was a good try.

Pattaya one, pattaya mail, pattaya people, Pattaya daily, 103 fm...............I need to go on ?

We all know that 99% of the crimes reported on the Phuket forum concerning foreigners, happen in the tourist area which is only a very small part of the Phuket province.

Obviously, the stats would have to be on a per-capita basis, but I would not be surprised if Phuket has overtaken Pattaya as being a higher risk for becoming a victim of crime, per-capita.

Please come up with these per capita numbers (quote a reliable news source) instead of just your usual inference. According to recent article even the head of the Royal Thai Police has stated that Phuket's population is much higher than the official count. But then again are we talking Chon Buri verus Phuket or Patong versus Pattaya?

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I must have lost count of the English language news sources in Pattaya, but it is a multiple of three, I would think written press and radio/tv together about 10?

Why I would need a geography lesson ?

How many of those news sources are published here on Thaivisa? And the geography lesson would be that: Phuket is a province, Pattaya is a city in the province of Chon Buri...

Well that was a good try.

Pattaya one, pattaya mail, pattaya people, Pattaya daily, 103 fm...............I need to go on ?

We all know that 99% of the crimes reported on the Phuket forum concerning foreigners, happen in the tourist area which is only a very small part of the Phuket province.

Great, I only see reports on here from Pattaya One. And as for your other comment I will agree. So instead of posting Pattaya versus Phuket, you should be posting Pattaya versus Patong. Right?

I think you didn't take a good look, because if you only had taken a look at the topics posted on the first page of the Pattaya news clippings forum you would have noticed all news sources I mentioned.

And no we don't compare Pattaya with Patong because when there is a news article about Pattaya it can concern Pattaya,Jomtien,Phratumnak, Naklua, Nongprue,Nongplalai,Huayai and even Sattahip or Bang sare, which is all together again a multiple in size compared with the area where the tourist assaults reported on the Phuket forum happen.

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I must have lost count of the English language news sources in Pattaya, but it is a multiple of three, I would think written press and radio/tv together about 10?

Why I would need a geography lesson ?

How many of those news sources are published here on Thaivisa? And the geography lesson would be that: Phuket is a province, Pattaya is a city in the province of Chon Buri...

Well that was a good try.

Pattaya one, pattaya mail, pattaya people, Pattaya daily, 103 fm...............I need to go on ?

We all know that 99% of the crimes reported on the Phuket forum concerning foreigners, happen in the tourist area which is only a very small part of the Phuket province.

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Yes, the "greed factor" does increase during the high season, making it an even more unfriendly place to be. I arrange to do a slightly more lengthy visa run during high season, which is a nice break, but always happy to be back, and even happy when high season finishes.

I disagree. There's more money sloshing around during the high season and easier for the wannabee thugs to obtain baht by less violent means.

But, in the low season, more of the little bar stewards are out of a job and those that don't go back to the rice fields resort to kicking old men off bikes and threatening them with machetes.

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I must have lost count of the English language news sources in Pattaya, but it is a multiple of three, I would think written press and radio/tv together about 10?

Why I would need a geography lesson ?

How many of those news sources are published here on Thaivisa? And the geography lesson would be that: Phuket is a province, Pattaya is a city in the province of Chon Buri...

Well that was a good try.

Pattaya one, pattaya mail, pattaya people, Pattaya daily, 103 fm...............I need to go on ?

We all know that 99% of the crimes reported on the Phuket forum concerning foreigners, happen in the tourist area which is only a very small part of the Phuket province.

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Yes, the "greed factor" does increase during the high season, making it an even more unfriendly place to be. I arrange to do a slightly more lengthy visa run during high season, which is a nice break, but always happy to be back, and even happy when high season finishes.

I disagree. There's more money sloshing around during the high season and easier for the wannabee thugs to obtain baht by less violent means.

But, in the low season, more of the little bar stewards are out of a job and those that don't go back to the rice fields resort to kicking old men off bikes and threatening them with machetes.

I used to think like that, but with the changing demographic of tourists here, I think we will see a leveling out of the seasons.

In other words, there has been a lot less "money sloshing around" last high season and probably less and less with each high season to follow.

"Money go down - put price up" will be the instant fix for businesses.

As for the criminals, yes, they will have to do more crime to pay for their addictions.

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How many of those news sources are published here on Thaivisa? And the geography lesson would be that: Phuket is a province, Pattaya is a city in the province of Chon Buri...

Well that was a good try.

Pattaya one, pattaya mail, pattaya people, Pattaya daily, 103 fm...............I need to go on ?

We all know that 99% of the crimes reported on the Phuket forum concerning foreigners, happen in the tourist area which is only a very small part of the Phuket province.

Great, I only see reports on here from Pattaya One. And as for your other comment I will agree. So instead of posting Pattaya versus Phuket, you should be posting Pattaya versus Patong. Right?

I think you didn't take a good look, because if you only had taken a look at the topics posted on the first page of the Pattaya news clippings forum you would have noticed all news sources I mentioned.

And no we don't compare Pattaya with Patong because when there is a news article about Pattaya it can concern Pattaya,Jomtien,Phratumnak, Naklua, Nongprue,Nongplalai,Huayai and even Sattahip or Bang sare, which is all together again a multiple in size compared with the area where the tourist assaults reported on the Phuket forum happen.

You're right. I really don't care enough to look at the Pattaya Forum and make comments on it. As an old lyric in an old song from an old band that I worked for stated: "i wouldn't live there if you paid me to!" Enjoy...

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I think you didn't take a good look, because if you only had taken a look at the topics posted on the first page of the Pattaya news clippings forum you would have noticed all news sources I mentioned.

And no we don't compare Pattaya with Patong because when there is a news article about Pattaya it can concern Pattaya,Jomtien,Phratumnak, Naklua, Nongprue,Nongplalai,Huayai and even Sattahip or Bang sare, which is all together again a multiple in size compared with the area where the tourist assaults reported on the Phuket forum happen.

You're right. I really don't care enough to look at the Pattaya Forum and make comments on it. As an old lyric in an old song from an old band that I worked for stated: "i wouldn't live there if you paid me to!" Enjoy...

I have such an idea that you even haven't been to Pattaya ever, because your display of denial is bliss.

In Pattaya we haven't had the need yet for the DSI to make a permanent office here to clean up the place. And if I take a look at the tourist murders that have been reported on the Phuket forum in the past 12 months, you outdo Pattaya with glance.

Look at your own post a bit higher up on this page where you announce that you're happy you can escape your so much loved Phuket for the next 9 months.laugh.png

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I think you didn't take a good look, because if you only had taken a look at the topics posted on the first page of the Pattaya news clippings forum you would have noticed all news sources I mentioned.

And no we don't compare Pattaya with Patong because when there is a news article about Pattaya it can concern Pattaya,Jomtien,Phratumnak, Naklua, Nongprue,Nongplalai,Huayai and even Sattahip or Bang sare, which is all together again a multiple in size compared with the area where the tourist assaults reported on the Phuket forum happen.

You're right. I really don't care enough to look at the Pattaya Forum and make comments on it. As an old lyric in an old song from an old band that I worked for stated: "i wouldn't live there if you paid me to!" Enjoy...

I have such an idea that you even haven't been to Pattaya ever, because your display of denial is bliss.

In Pattaya we haven't had the need yet for the DSI to make a permanent office here to clean up the place. And if I take a look at the tourist murders that have been reported on the Phuket forum in the past 12 months, you outdo Pattaya with glance.

Look at your own post a bit higher up on this page where you announce that you're happy you can escape your so much loved Phuket for the next 9 months.laugh.png

I could say the same about you and Phuket. I have a really nice place in California and my fiancee has a US visa. Thank you for your concern though! I'm touched!wub.png

And when have I ever come on the Pattaya local forum to put down Pattaya? I'm glad you're happy there. I've never had any real problem here either. No one bothers me... Best wishes to you and your life in what you seem to consider the best place in the world to live.

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