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I have said lots on this subject with no real answers other than ''it's OK''. Rubbish. I know your background and why your todger was tampered with, nooooo medical reason what so ever. A ritual that belongs in the history books.

ALL of my peers were cut as well. Mostly Christians and where/when I grew up we didn't have Latinos yet (tend to be uncut). I never heard any complaints from them either. I was NOT ritually circumcised. My "background" in this context is being an American male in my generation. It was just the done thing then for most ALL. Now it's more like 50 50 as I've said before. There wasn't the medical evidence back then of the multiple medical benefits of circumcision. Now there is and the procedure is done less. Go figure.

Why was circumcision so pervasive in my generation in the U.S.? The medical justification may have been hygiene but there was of course a cultural conformity element (everyone does it, make it like Daddy's) and also I think I recall reading the root may have been a puritanical reason to discourage masturbation. The latter reason is of course absurd. I'm too lazy to research that right now so my memory may be wrong on that.

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I have said lots on this subject with no real answers other than ''it's OK''. Rubbish. I know your background and why your todger was tampered with, nooooo medical reason what so ever. A ritual that belongs in the history books.

ALL of my peers were cut as well. Mostly Christians and where/when I grew up we didn't have Latinos yet (tend to be uncut). I never heard any complaints from them either. I was NOT ritually circumcised. My "background" in this context is being an American male in my generation. It was just the done thing then for most ALL. Now it's more like 50 50 as I've said before. There wasn't the medical evidence back then of the multiple medical benefits of circumcision. Now there is and the procedure is done less. Go figure.

Why was circumcision so pervasive in my generation in the U.S.? The medical justification may have been hygiene but there was of course a cultural conformity element (everyone does it, make it like Daddy's) and also I think I recall reading the root may have been a puritanical reason to discourage masturbation. The latter reason is of course absurd. I'm too lazy to research that right now so my memory may be wrong on that.

Obviously where l come from certain stuff was not tampered with unless necessary..

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Obviously where l come from certain stuff was not tampered with unless necessary..

Understood. I don't think anyone is saying that the usual reason for infant circumcision is medical NECESSITY. There can be benefits without it being necessary. Basically, it's a choice with some pros and cons, including ethical concerns and risks which hopefully are well considered by parents considering doing the procedure. If it was really that horrible, it would be illegal in most countries, which it isn't, and if it was really that wonderful, it would be required in most countries, which it isn't. Sorry, folks, this is a grey area type thing, whether you like it or not. Trying to paint this as clear cut, good vs. evil, just doesn't wash for this issue.

The thing that bothers me about the rhetoric on this issue is that the anti-circumcision side seems to be dominated by fanatics who don't think optional circumcision is ever acceptable. People who favor choice on this issue aren't trying to force people to do this. In other words, much more reasonable. Obviously an exception would be religious people and tribes with this ritual, but that's a side issue, and those people are not trying to force people outside their groups to do it.

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When I was about 32yo I lost a largish chunk of skin from my right foot.

I miss that piece of skin so.

Thinking to have a seance to see if we can reconnect.

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The legallity of it is another discussion I am more than welcome to have, but as of yet no one has been able to justify why it is carried out in this day and age, forget sub saharan Africa 2000 years ago.

Firstly can we stop calling this "mutilation"? Done in a correct medical facility the proper definition should be cosmetic surgery. Which is what's being refered to by the op. As for justifying this procedure then you need to ask 'The World Health Organisation' and 'UNAIDS' who

recommend circumcision as part of a comprehensive program for prevention of HIV transmission in areas with high endemic rates of HIV

If my son is going to travel the world and do the things that I think all parents expect their sons to do then I'm for prevention. And speaking as a supporter of circumcision, until you've seen both side of the story I don't think you should really comment. Me, I got surgery aged 14. At that age it came as a great embarrasement to me and only wish my father had seen good sense in getting me done as a baby.

Contrary to popular myths it has no affect on your sex life whatsoever.

If concerned about AIDS, the answer is simple, wear a condom.

I would say his chances of catching STDs will be much higher than catching AIDS, whats the figures for cut or uncut ref STDs?

Personally its your choice you are the father, but to say its being done to prevent AIDS to me is bordering on paranoia.

As for the WHO or UNAIDS, I will keep my opinions of them to myself.

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something so crucial and integral to the male identity should not be trifled with.

If a bit of skin on your old fella is that important then something else must be missing from you life.

nowt missing from my life chump

just find it selfish and self righteous in the extreme for a parent to do that. bit like, forcing their relegious beliefs on their offspring, like.

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something so crucial and integral to the male identity should not be trifled with.

If a bit of skin on your old fella is that important then something else must be missing from you life.

nowt missing from my life chump

just find it selfish and self righteous in the extreme for a parent to do that. bit like, forcing their relegious beliefs on their offspring, like.

Just like all the other nasty decisions parents make for their children.

Your kids must be feral.......

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if it is for religious reasons then either hallal or jewish mohel can do it; they are usually very well trained and do follow ups with the babies after... habad house in chiang mai/rai would be a good place to start.

and hallal circumcisors might be better if the baby is over a week old as the process involves more blood as the baby grows older and hallal (muslem) circumsicion, unlike jewish circimcision, is not neccesarily done at 8 days but sometimes at two weeks or a month old . here in israel i dont know any muslems that do it at age 13 , before somebody claims that is the case. here, most muslems either do it with a jewish doctor in a hospital or a mohel or a trained muslem mohel.

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something so crucial and integral to the male identity should not be trifled with.

If a bit of skin on your old fella is that important then something else must be missing from you life.

nowt missing from my life chump

just find it selfish and self righteous in the extreme for a parent to do that. bit like, forcing their relegious beliefs on their offspring, like.

Just like all the other nasty decisions parents make for their children.

Your kids must be feral.......

actually my 3 year old daughter is bright, intelligent and full of confidence. insulting other poster's children is about as low as can go you nasty l'il shit

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If a bit of skin on your old fella is that important then something else must be missing from you life.

nowt missing from my life chump

just find it selfish and self righteous in the extreme for a parent to do that. bit like, forcing their relegious beliefs on their offspring, like.

Just like all the other nasty decisions parents make for their children.

Your kids must be feral.......

actually my 3 year old daughter is bright, intelligent and full of confidence. insulting other poster's children is about as low as can go you nasty l'il shit

Did not insult your child, just possibly you for your decisions in raising your child...like you have done to other posters basically accusing them of child abuse.

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nu really....

the OP asked a question, jsut answer.

there are a zillion forums about pro/cons of circumcision. its not child abuse. if you belong to a religioun that does that, then its the accepted thing, if you dont want to do it, then dont. its a small piece of skin, its not an eye or an ear or a finger. i live in a country where if u dont do it the boy will feel very outsiderish in the army or shower or any where else others might notice. my son, ex , cousins dont complain.they dont even know what is missing.

if you have a choice, then choose just like you choose for your child for many years, from what school he /she will go to, to living and food choices.

there are really worse things that get done to people that do cause damage....

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nu really....

the OP asked a question, jsut answer.

there are a zillion forums about pro/cons of circumcision. its not child abuse. if you belong to a religioun that does that, then its the accepted thing, if you dont want to do it, then dont. its a small piece of skin, its not an eye or an ear or a finger. i live in a country where if u dont do it the boy will feel very outsiderish in the army or shower or any where else others might notice. my son, ex , cousins dont complain.they dont even know what is missing.

if you have a choice, then choose just like you choose for your child for many years, from what school he /she will go to, to living and food choices.

there are really worse things that get done to people that do cause damage....

Think you are missing the point. BUT, we all have our opinions on stuff. Forgot, it's not just a piece of skin, it's a human beings piece of skin that belongs to him and nobody else.

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I have known many Thai women that would only give oral sex to a circumcised man for hygiene reasons. They have told me no matter how much you wash it is always smells. I don't know? Only repeating what I was told. I'm glad I'm smegma free and don't have that problem.

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nu really....

the OP asked a question, jsut answer.

there are a zillion forums about pro/cons of circumcision. its not child abuse. if you belong to a religioun that does that, then its the accepted thing, if you dont want to do it, then dont. its a small piece of skin, its not an eye or an ear or a finger. i live in a country where if u dont do it the boy will feel very outsiderish in the army or shower or any where else others might notice. my son, ex , cousins dont complain.they dont even know what is missing.

if you have a choice, then choose just like you choose for your child for many years, from what school he /she will go to, to living and food choices.

there are really worse things that get done to people that do cause damage....

Think you are missing the point. BUT, we all have our opinions on stuff. Forgot, it's not just a piece of skin, it's a human beings piece of skin that belongs to him and nobody else.

What about the tooth that gets pulled because it is growing wrong and causing other teeth to be crooked....nawt reason to remove it other than aesthetics ?

What about those god awful and painful braces for 3 plus years ?

What about mickey mouse ears that get pinned back ?

What about cleft pallet.

No skin off my nose what anybody else thinks, there is enough information about to make the right decision for your child....nobody elses.

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Exactly, it is my decision whether to give me son the snip, pull my little girls tooth or send them to Sunday School. I don't appreciate it when someone tells me that they "find it selfish and self righteous in the extreme" for me to do that.

I don't usually react when someone does say that to me because your entitled to your opinion but I do take umbrage when you dish that out but can't take a comment from someone thinking your kids are going to be feral without retorting with "you disgusting l'il puke" and "you nasty l'il shit" .

The opening poster asked a serious question about what he thinks is best for his son. You should not judge him for that decision. Either help him with an answer or leave this thread alone.

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