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I am British !

If I go to Australia as a tourist I get a 90 stay !

I object to this blatant Aus. discrimination against Brits !

Just as a New Zealander would find it an issue getting Permanent residency, this is the intelligent Australian government taking a short term hit for a long term gain. The UK has been taking in all sorts of undesirables from the middle east, Africa and south Asia among other places for the past generation, with the rise of the terrorist threat one could say a direct result of this. We as Kiwis are subjected to less-free habitation of Australia than before, because of our weak Government policy allowing undesirable migrants from the Pacific Islands, China and other countries - it is possible to "buy" your citizenship in some countries which New Zealand grants "fast track" settlement processes for.. Australia is only protecting themselves against the mistakes in immigration policies of other governments.

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I am British !

If I go to Australia as a tourist I get a 90 stay !

I object to this blatant Aus. discrimination against Brits !

Just as a New Zealander would find it an issue getting Permanent residency, this is the intelligent Australian government taking a short term hit for a long term gain. The UK has been taking in all sorts of undesirables from the middle east, Africa and south Asia among other places for the past generation, with the rise of the terrorist threat one could say a direct result of this. We as Kiwis are subjected to less-free habitation of Australia than before, because of our weak Government policy allowing undesirable migrants from the Pacific Islands, China and other countries - it is possible to "buy" your citizenship in some countries which New Zealand grants "fast track" settlement processes for.. Australia is only protecting themselves against the mistakes in immigration policies of other governments.

So...Caucasian immigrants are desirable, but those from the Middle East, Pacific Islands, and China aren't?

Do I have that correct?

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I am strongly in favour of reciprocal rights to immigration and things such as property ownership.

But not, presumably, to the arduous visitor visa regime Western governments inflict on Thais?

This thread is about immigration laws, not tourist VISAs.

And if Thai girls didn't have the tendency to bunk off and work illegally as prostitutes in western countries, I'm thinking Thais could get tourist VISAs much more easily.

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No. It appears you have misunderstood my statement which could have been worded a little better.I applaud your participation in the conversation which appears to now be beginning, nice to talk with someone with a different approach.

But statistics do not lie.

Who has the highest rate of non-age related illness in the country?

Who has the lowest rate of fluent understanding and ability to speak in the first language of the country I live in?

Who has the lowest level of integration and the highest levels of segregation in respect to establishing their own "neighborhoods" in order to exist without the need for cultural and intellectual integration?

Who least contributes to the GDP of the country?

When you establish who these people are, it is time to make it harder for these people to come in and bring in a more "promising" group until you find a group that begins going up the food chain. You don't just accept a "weak" migrant group and allow them to destroy what your ancestors have worked so hard to establish.

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I am strongly in favour of reciprocal rights to immigration and things such as property ownership.

But not, presumably, to the arduous visitor visa regime Western governments inflict on Thais?

This thread is about immigration laws, not tourist VISAs.

And if Thai girls didn't have the tendency to bunk off and work illegally as prostitutes in western countries, I'm thinking Thais could get tourist VISAs much more easily.

ALL types of visas are part of the immigration regime. DO you want reciprocity or do you not? Stop making excuses about tourist visas and Thai over-stayers back home (there are plenty of farang overstayers here).

Reciprocity means that THE SAME RULES apply. So is it want you want? Or do you want to pick and choose what suits you?

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No. It appears you have misunderstood my statement which could have been worded a little better.I applaud your participation in the conversation which appears to now be beginning, nice to talk with someone with a different approach.

But statistics do not lie.

Who has the highest rate of non-age related illness in the country?

Who has the lowest rate of fluent understanding and ability to speak in the first language of the country I live in?

Who has the lowest level of integration and the highest levels of segregation in respect to establishing their own "neighborhoods" in order to exist without the need for cultural and intellectual integration?

Who least contributes to the GDP of the country?

When you establish who these people are, it is time to make it harder for these people to come in and bring in a more "promising" group until you find a group that begins going up the food chain. You don't just accept a "weak" migrant group and allow them to destroy what your ancestors have worked so hard to establish.

"Grouping" people by ethnicity or nationality is inherently racist.

What needs to happen is that immigrants need to be looked at as INDIVIDUALS.

I think you'd agree that a hard-working, educated Nigerian would be a better qualified immigrant than an uneducated white day laborer.

Wouldn't you?

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Immigration Laws - Are Thais Subject To Retaliation In Other countries?

Retaliation for what?

If you are a Westerner you can come here for study, work, retirement, marriage on one year extensions very easily, or as a tourist for months at a time! Arriving as a tourist you don't even need a visa if your stay is less than 30 days (flying in) which I guess 95% of tourist's time here is.

Why on earth does that need to be 'retaliated' against? :huh:

I see you've only just joined ThaiVisa,maybe you new to Thailand,could that be why you ask such a question.
Yingyo i have no problem with Thais coming to Europe,the visa systems for foreigners you mention above are all designed so foreigners who want to stay long or short term in Thailand bring money in to the Thai economy wich is actually a very smart move from the Thai goverment.

Once Thais are in the system in Europe they can work but most of them send most of theyre earnings to Thailand so thats what we call a one way street.

A few days ago a guy was complaining on the Thai language forum because a school quoted him a price of 90.000 baht for a Thai language course.

In my country Language and integration courses for foreigners are free also job training is free ,help with legal issues and if needed translaters are free ,health care costs next to nothing and i could go on forever etc.....

So are Thais or other foreigners treated badly here ?I do not think so the op has clearly no idea what he is talking about.

So do you get the same in Thailand?

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What is interesting is the many posts on TV with regards to Thai immigration laws and how expats are being treated "unfair" and if only farangs were able to buy land and yada yada yada.

There are also a remarkable number of posts where the author suggests that their home country should apply some sort of distinction based on nationalities and adopt an "eye for en eye" policy towards citizens of countries that enforce a more stringent immigration policy.

This is utter childish rubbish, if you ask me. I can only assume that this view is only represented by an exceedingly small number of expats, and by no means represent a generic view.

The truth is, that those who believe Thailand are treating farangs as <deleted>, have none or very little knowledge of how Thais are being treated in their own home countries in Europe, where - with very few exceptions - arbitrary bullshit sets the standard for an inhumane and dangerous view on humans and their social life, something that sometimes inhibits people to move across borders even though families and their wellbeing are at stake.

The simple truth is that unless you are extradited out of Thailand you would be able to live there if you wanted to, where as a Thai wouldn't even be able to cross the border of most European countries unless someone was prepared to sponsor the visit.

The truth is that Thailand is one of the most accessible countries there is in terms of immigration. Contrary, if a Thai child and mother had the option of reporting to the authorities every 90 days, if that meant they could stay in the country where they have lived for many years, I'm pretty confident they would gladly accept that option. But the average expat cries like a little girl because they have to do exactly this.

Most expats should be extremely happy that Thailand doesn't start treating farangs the same way Thais are being treated abroad.

Sorry! But you are wrong, Thailand is not one of the most accessible countries there is in terms of IMMIGRATION. We are not immigrants, we are guest, who can easily be deported. What is true is that it is easy for nationals of most countries to obtain entry into Thailand,by usually gaining a restricted visa at the point of entry. Very easy to get into, but not so easy to stay if the authorities want you out and while you are IN Thailand you have very little rights. In comparison the entry requirements into the UK are very strict, yet once you are in, you can enjoy many rights, such as to own land, obtain British citizenship etc, and of course it can be very difficult for the authorities to deport you.
I agree with most of what you say, but if it is so difficult to get in to the UK, then why is it so over run with Emigrants?.

Well I'm sure you know the reasons and there are many, one being that the British people are

probably too tolerant of others, they are scared to be labeled racialist etc, not so the Thai's.

Personally I think the Thai requirements are far to restricted for prospective immigrants, while the UK is to easy going (unless you are a Brit with returning foreign wife)it would be nice if both countries could take a leaf out of each others book. Will it happen, not in OUR lifetime.

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What is interesting is the many posts on TV with regards to Thai immigration laws and how expats are being treated "unfair" and if only farangs were able to buy land and yada yada yada.

There are also a remarkable number of posts where the author suggests that their home country should apply some sort of distinction based on nationalities and adopt an "eye for en eye" policy towards citizens of countries that enforce a more stringent immigration policy.

This is utter childish rubbish, if you ask me. I can only assume that this view is only represented by an exceedingly small number of expats, and by no means represent a generic view.

The truth is, that those who believe Thailand are treating farangs as <deleted>, have none or very little knowledge of how Thais are being treated in their own home countries in Europe, where - with very few exceptions - arbitrary bullshit sets the standard for an inhumane and dangerous view on humans and their social life, something that sometimes inhibits people to move across borders even though families and their wellbeing are at stake.

The simple truth is that unless you are extradited out of Thailand you would be able to live there if you wanted to, where as a Thai wouldn't even be able to cross the border of most European countries unless someone was prepared to sponsor the visit.

The truth is that Thailand is one of the most accessible countries there is in terms of immigration. Contrary, if a Thai child and mother had the option of reporting to the authorities every 90 days, if that meant they could stay in the country where they have lived for many years, I'm pretty confident they would gladly accept that option. But the average expat cries like a little girl because they have to do exactly this.

Most expats should be extremely happy that Thailand doesn't start treating farangs the same way Thais are being treated abroad.

Sorry! But you are wrong, Thailand is not one of the most accessible countries there is in terms of IMMIGRATION. We are not immigrants, we are guest, who can easily be deported. What is true is that it is easy for nationals of most countries to obtain entry into Thailand,by usually gaining a restricted visa at the point of entry. Very easy to get into, but not so easy to stay if the authorities want you out and while you are IN Thailand you have very little rights. In comparison the entry requirements into the UK are very strict, yet once you are in, you can enjoy many rights, such as to own land, obtain British citizenship etc, and of course it can be very difficult for the authorities to deport you.

If the requirements to get into the UK are so strict, why is the country so badly over run with emigrants? It does not matter if these emigrants are Eastern European, Asian or whatever. they were not born in the UK. So despite the fact that the UK must obey European rules from Brussels or whatever. The UK is far too over crowded with emigrants. Thailand would never allow any of that nonsense. So, despite the way we are treated in Thailand. the UK does not even come close in comparison.

Easy answer - 1% are allowed in but 10 million apply, that's 100.000 every year or so.

From the outside, it seems almost impossible to be allowed in, from the inside it seems too many are allowed in.

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Well I'm sure you know the reasons and there are many, one being that the British people are

probably too tolerant of others, they are scared to be labeled racialist etc, not so the Thai's.

Personally I think the Thai requirements are far to restricted for prospective immigrants, while the UK is to easy going (unless you are a Brit with returning foreign wife)it would be nice if both countries could take a leaf out of each others book. Will it happen, not in OUR lifetime.

No, there's a far easier explanation than that.

It's because the British government handed over it's boarder controls to the EEC.

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Well I'm sure you know the reasons and there are many, one being that the British people are

probably too tolerant of others, they are scared to be labeled racialist etc, not so the Thai's.

Personally I think the Thai requirements are far to restricted for prospective immigrants, while the UK is to easy going (unless you are a Brit with returning foreign wife)it would be nice if both countries could take a leaf out of each others book. Will it happen, not in OUR lifetime.

No, there's a far easier explanation than that.

It's because the British government handed over it's boarder controls to the EEC.

Sorry that is not correct Thais on a schengen tourist visa can not enter the UK .

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No certainly not.

There is no comparison to suggest otherwise.

Why?

Thais can come into the UK on a Settlement Visa. (roughly 33 months)

They do not have to check in every 90 days,either to the Home Office, UKBA, or the UK Police.

The same applies for their next Visa,which is ILR (Indefinate Leave to Remain)

And allows for applying for Citizenship within 5 years,of having arrived (previously 3+years,my wife obtained Citizenship in 3 years and 3 month,which has now changed to 5 years at the end of this month Oct 2013)

They can start work in the UK from day one. (without a work permit) and has many months to aquire, a free of charge NI no. (National Insurance Number )

They can buy Land or property in their own name.

They can buy a vehicle in their own name.Car or Motorcycle!

They can use a Thai Driving Licence for one year on arrival (before needing a UK Provisional Licence).

During the time they are subject to Immigration control,they are only obliged to contact the UKBA/Home office to notify a change of address,and/or a breakdown of the relationship, or a contravention of the Visa conditions,which initially the Sponsor is responsible for,any notifications.

They can also get free Health care under the NHS on a Settlement Visa +.Their own GP and any Surgery or other treatment,requiring Out patient or In Patient treatment,again free of charge, the only payment they have to pay is £7.80 for Prescriptions,the same as everyone else in the UK,who are non exempt of charges.

My Information is that there are 35,000 Thai Permanent Residents in the UK,according to 2012 figures!

Far from subject to any Retaliation in this Country,I am pleased to say Thai people in the UK are not discriminated against,our laws would not tolerate it!

You forget to mention that they need a sponsor who has to meet income requirements - which is not an significant detail

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Immigration Laws - Are Thais Subject To Retaliation In Other countries?

Retaliation for what?

If you are a Westerner you can come here for study, work, retirement, marriage on one year extensions very easily, or as a tourist for months at a time! Arriving as a tourist you don't even need a visa if your stay is less than 30 days (flying in) which I guess 95% of tourist's time here is.

Why on earth does that need to be 'retaliated' against? huh.png

I see you've only just joined ThaiVisa,maybe you new to Thailand,could that be why you ask such a question.

I am half-Thai, was born in and spent the first 11 years of my life in Thailand.

Which part of the examples given, or any other do you feel needs to be 'retaliated' against?

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What is interesting is the many posts on TV with regards to Thai immigration laws and how expats are being treated "unfair" and if only farangs were able to buy land and yada yada yada.

There are also a remarkable number of posts where the author suggests that their home country should apply some sort of distinction based on nationalities and adopt an "eye for en eye" policy towards citizens of countries that enforce a more stringent immigration policy.

This is utter childish rubbish, if you ask me. I can only assume that this view is only represented by an exceedingly small number of expats, and by no means represent a generic view.

The truth is, that those who believe Thailand are treating farangs as <deleted>, have none or very little knowledge of how Thais are being treated in their own home countries in Europe, where - with very few exceptions - arbitrary bullshit sets the standard for an inhumane and dangerous view on humans and their social life, something that sometimes inhibits people to move across borders even though families and their wellbeing are at stake.

The simple truth is that unless you are extradited out of Thailand you would be able to live there if you wanted to, where as a Thai wouldn't even be able to cross the border of most European countries unless someone was prepared to sponsor the visit.

The truth is that Thailand is one of the most accessible countries there is in terms of immigration. Contrary, if a Thai child and mother had the option of reporting to the authorities every 90 days, if that meant they could stay in the country where they have lived for many years, I'm pretty confident they would gladly accept that option. But the average expat cries like a little girl because they have to do exactly this.

Most expats should be extremely happy that Thailand doesn't start treating farangs the same way Thais are being treated abroad.

Sorry! But you are wrong, Thailand is not one of the most accessible countries there is in terms of IMMIGRATION. We are not immigrants, we are guest, who can easily be deported. What is true is that it is easy for nationals of most countries to obtain entry into Thailand,by usually gaining a restricted visa at the point of entry. Very easy to get into, but not so easy to stay if the authorities want you out and while you are IN Thailand you have very little rights. In comparison the entry requirements into the UK are very strict, yet once you are in, you can enjoy many rights, such as to own land, obtain British citizenship etc, and of course it can be very difficult for the authorities to deport you.

If the requirements to get into the UK are so strict, why is the country so badly over run with emigrants? It does not matter if these emigrants are Eastern European, Asian or whatever. they were not born in the UK. So despite the fact that the UK must obey European rules from Brussels or whatever. The UK is far too over crowded with emigrants. Thailand would never allow any of that nonsense. So, despite the way we are treated in Thailand. the UK does not even come close in comparison.

Easy answer - 1% are allowed in but 10 million apply, that's 100.000 every year or so.

From the outside, it seems almost impossible to be allowed in, from the inside it seems too many are allowed in.

Yes, but 100.000 a year is still too many for such a small country.

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No certainly not.

There is no comparison to suggest otherwise.

Why?

Thais can come into the UK on a Settlement Visa. (roughly 33 months)

They do not have to check in every 90 days,either to the Home Office, UKBA, or the UK Police.

The same applies for their next Visa,which is ILR (Indefinate Leave to Remain)

And allows for applying for Citizenship within 5 years,of having arrived (previously 3+years,my wife obtained Citizenship in 3 years and 3 month,which has now changed to 5 years at the end of this month Oct 2013)

They can start work in the UK from day one. (without a work permit) and has many months to aquire, a free of charge NI no. (National Insurance Number )

They can buy Land or property in their own name.

They can buy a vehicle in their own name.Car or Motorcycle!

They can use a Thai Driving Licence for one year on arrival (before needing a UK Provisional Licence).

During the time they are subject to Immigration control,they are only obliged to contact the UKBA/Home office to notify a change of address,and/or a breakdown of the relationship, or a contravention of the Visa conditions,which initially the Sponsor is responsible for,any notifications.

They can also get free Health care under the NHS on a Settlement Visa +.Their own GP and any Surgery or other treatment,requiring Out patient or In Patient treatment,again free of charge, the only payment they have to pay is £7.80 for Prescriptions,the same as everyone else in the UK,who are non exempt of charges.

My Information is that there are 35,000 Thai Permanent Residents in the UK,according to 2012 figures!

Far from subject to any Retaliation in this Country,I am pleased to say Thai people in the UK are not discriminated against,our laws would not tolerate it!

You forget to mention that they need a sponsor who has to meet income requirements - which is not an significant detail

Needing a Sponsor goes without saying,that wasn't the OPs question.

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