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Well I'm sure you know the reasons and there are many, one being that the British people are

probably too tolerant of others, they are scared to be labeled racialist etc, not so the Thai's.

Personally I think the Thai requirements are far to restricted for prospective immigrants, while the UK is to easy going (unless you are a Brit with returning foreign wife)it would be nice if both countries could take a leaf out of each others book. Will it happen, not in OUR lifetime.

No, there's a far easier explanation than that.

It's because the British government handed over it's boarder controls to the EEC.

Sorry that is not correct Thais on a schengen tourist visa can not enter the UK .

What Fifty Two means is that the British Government signed away our rights to Border controls in Europe, i.e there are no Border Controls to EEC Member States,any of the EEC Country members can just walk in to the UK!, on the first of January 2014,we have two more additional member states,in the Form of Rumania and Bulgaria,who also have the right to unrestricted access to the UK.

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Well I'm sure you know the reasons and there are many, one being that the British people are

probably too tolerant of others, they are scared to be labeled racialist etc, not so the Thai's.

Personally I think the Thai requirements are far to restricted for prospective immigrants, while the UK is to easy going (unless you are a Brit with returning foreign wife)it would be nice if both countries could take a leaf out of each others book. Will it happen, not in OUR lifetime.

No, there's a far easier explanation than that.

It's because the British government handed over it's boarder controls to the EEC.

Sorry that is not correct Thais on a schengen tourist visa can not enter the UK .

What Fifty Two means is that the British Government signed away our rights to Border controls in Europe, i.e there are no Border Controls to EEC Member States,any of the EEC Country members can just walk in to the UK!,

And the Brits can do the same...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2468189/Dont-mention-ze-dole-One-tenth-Britains-expat-population-claiming-23-000-unemployment-payments-Germany-benefits-Europe-revealed.html

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When I get back to the UK in 2014 I'm starting an MSc in Nuclear Decommissioning. Not looking forward to it to be honest.

I think Thailand's "immigration" laws are actually very sensible. I don't bother with Non-O anymore, the Thai Consulate now grants reasonable tourist visas of 3 x 60 days, which is enough for my tour of duty here until favorite Auntie takes over the running of the house and kids.

As for comparing the UK and Thailand regarding income and education levels, you simply can't. Hi-So Thai's can afford the very best education, yet education standards for the majority have been shown to be poor. Income here is all or nothing, the charts are all very skewed.

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When I get back to the UK in 2014 I'm starting an MSc in Nuclear Decommissioning. Not looking forward to it to be honest.

I think Thailand's "immigration" laws are actually very sensible. I don't bother with Non-O anymore, the Thai Consulate now grants reasonable tourist visas of 3 x 60 days, which is enough for my tour of duty here until favorite Auntie takes over the running of the house and kids.

As for comparing the UK and Thailand regarding income and education levels, you simply can't. Hi-So Thai's can afford the very best education, yet education standards for the majority have been shown to be poor. Income here is all or nothing, the charts are all very skewed.

Have you checked the figures on income disparity in the US and UK recently?

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When I get back to the UK in 2014 I'm starting an MSc in Nuclear Decommissioning. Not looking forward to it to be honest.

I think Thailand's "immigration" laws are actually very sensible. I don't bother with Non-O anymore, the Thai Consulate now grants reasonable tourist visas of 3 x 60 days, which is enough for my tour of duty here until favorite Auntie takes over the running of the house and kids.

As for comparing the UK and Thailand regarding income and education levels, you simply can't. Hi-So Thai's can afford the very best education, yet education standards for the majority have been shown to be poor. Income here is all or nothing, the charts are all very skewed.

Have you checked the figures on income disparity in the US and UK recently?

Yes, it is getting worse, but for the UK it's not that bad to be honest. The distribution of wealth here in Thailand may have improved of over the past decade but it's still extremely bad.

Sorry, but the two countries are incomparable on so many levels.

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When I get back to the UK in 2014 I'm starting an MSc in Nuclear Decommissioning. Not looking forward to it to be honest.

I think Thailand's "immigration" laws are actually very sensible. I don't bother with Non-O anymore, the Thai Consulate now grants reasonable tourist visas of 3 x 60 days, which is enough for my tour of duty here until favorite Auntie takes over the running of the house and kids.

As for comparing the UK and Thailand regarding income and education levels, you simply can't. Hi-So Thai's can afford the very best education, yet education standards for the majority have been shown to be poor. Income here is all or nothing, the charts are all very skewed.

Have you checked the figures on income disparity in the US and UK recently?

Yes, it is getting worse, but for the UK it's not that bad to be honest. The distribution of wealth here in Thailand may have improved of over the past decade but it's still extremely bad.

Sorry, but the two countries are incomparable on so many levels.

You might be surprised that income disparity in the UK is worse than it is in Thailand.

13.8:1 for UK and only 12.6:1 for Thailand when it comes to the the ratio of average income of the richest 10% to the poorest 10%.

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When I get back to the UK in 2014 I'm starting an MSc in Nuclear Decommissioning. Not looking forward to it to be honest.

I think Thailand's "immigration" laws are actually very sensible. I don't bother with Non-O anymore, the Thai Consulate now grants reasonable tourist visas of 3 x 60 days, which is enough for my tour of duty here until favorite Auntie takes over the running of the house and kids.

As for comparing the UK and Thailand regarding income and education levels, you simply can't. Hi-So Thai's can afford the very best education, yet education standards for the majority have been shown to be poor. Income here is all or nothing, the charts are all very skewed.

Have you checked the figures on income disparity in the US and UK recently?

Yes, it is getting worse, but for the UK it's not that bad to be honest. The distribution of wealth here in Thailand may have improved of over the past decade but it's still extremely bad.

Sorry, but the two countries are incomparable on so many levels.

You might be surprised that income disparity in the UK is worse than it is in Thailand.

13.8:1 for UK and only 12.6:1 for Thailand when it comes to the the ratio of average income of the richest 10% to the poorest 10%.

Strawman argument.

Look at the income levels and purchasing power. Completely different story.

If you're a poor Thai on 300 Baht (£6) a day and it costs 100 Baht to fill your scooter with petrol. Well go figure.

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It's not a strawman argument; it is directly addressing the question of income disparity -- which happens to be WORSE back home.

It's no fun living on minimum wage anywhere, whether it's the UK or Thailand or the US. Personally, I think a person making minimum wage in rural Thailand has a lot higher quality of life than someone washing dishes in London.

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It's not a strawman argument; it is directly addressing the question of income disparity -- which happens to be WORSE back home.

It's no fun living on minimum wage anywhere, whether it's the UK or Thailand or the US. Personally, I think a person making minimum wage in rural Thailand has a lot higher quality of life than someone washing dishes in London.

Okay yes, you win this one but with some caveats.

The first is data collection and accurate reporting of statistics.

Secondly, if you're ill in the UK you have access to good health care. I know the NHS gets kicked around but it's never let me down yet. There is a safety net for the unemployed. There's proper social services. The quality of education available to all is far better. There's even a safety net for immigrants, even illegal ones.

You only have to look at why a place like Pattaya exists to know a country is failing its people. Tough words probably difficult to reconcile, but Thailand does not rank well in the World today when it comes to human rights, slavery, living conditions for the poor, corruption, justice, educational standards for the masses . . . .

This is a difficult conversation to be had on ThaiVisa. I'm going to leave it at that because I don't want to be banned, mostly because I enjoy the photo forum very much. But I think you know where I'm coming from.

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Universal medical care is available to all Thais. Regardless of what people say, it works. An employee of mine -- a close-to-minimum-age worker -- gave birth to a baby with a heart defect. The medical system came through: the baby was evacuated to Siriraj Hospital where it had three rounds of open-heart surgery that saved its life. For free.

The education system is definitely lacking, but I think the Thais are lucky to have their medical system.

When I look at Pattaya, I see more pitiful farangs than Thais. But, point taken. It is an ugly place all around.

Many people I know "back home" deplore the "welfare state" that allows the lower classes in the US and UK to loaf around doing nothing while sucking on the country's teat. They may have a point...maybe it's better for Thais that such a system does not exist here.

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Universal medical care is available to all Thais. Regardless of what people say, it works. An employee of mine -- a close-to-minimum-age worker -- gave birth to a baby with a heart defect. The medical system came through: the baby was evacuated to Siriraj Hospital where it had three rounds of open-heart surgery that saved its life. For free.

The education system is definitely lacking, but I think the Thais are lucky to have their medical system.

When I look at Pattaya, I see more pitiful farangs than Thais. But, point taken. It is an ugly place all around.

Many people I know "back home" deplore the "welfare state" that allows the lower classes in the US and UK to loaf around doing nothing while sucking on the country's teat. They may have a point...maybe it's better for Thais that such a system does not exist here.

I shall not disagree, because I don't disagree. I don't think the present UK strategy is sustainable.

Thanks for the information about the Thai NHS.

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Personally, I'd be rather stunned if it turned out that any of the countries where I am a citizen exposes Thais to wrongful actions simply because Thai immigration laws are less than favourable. I am actually quite confident there's no such thing as a discussion like "now they treat us bad, we're going to treat them the same way. That'll teach them!""

This is standard practice in many countries. Fees are reciprocated.

The UK has huge immigration fees, and as a result I am subject to huge fees when I go to other countries. I paid almost $1000 a year while in south America in work visa fees. While my American friends paid $50.

I don't see the problem, it seems fair to me? The aim is to make immigration between the two countries equal. If Thailand makes it difficult for country x citizens, country x makes it difficult for Thais.

From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocity_(international_relations)

"In international relations and treaties, the principle of reciprocity states that favours, benefits, or penalties that are granted by one state to the citizens or legal entities of another, should be returned in kind."

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My wife applied for a visa for to visit my family in Arizona, just a visitors visa, my wife has no desire to move to the States, we were given a long visa application to fill out we, did everything that was requested, we went for the interview and the application was turned down, because my wife was not working and was applying with my income, she had to show she had a life here in Thailand that she would come back to. When we stated she owned 22 rai of rice fields' had two children and her family here to return to, they said based on her income she was not eligible.

I asked to talk to a supervisor, we had to come back in the afternoon to see the supervisor, as I was explaining to him what happened he said he knew what happened as he witnessed our complete interview. He stated that the visa request was rejected because my wife could had no verifiable income, and that besides the fact I been living in Thailand for four years I had a Thai tourist visa and could not verify my intentions of returning to Thailand after my visit.

I explained that my wife's income was my income (Family income) he stated I needed to include that on my wife's visa request, and I stated why if that's what was needed to approve my wife's visa application, why was that information not included on the visa application.

I said OK give me back the application and we will refile it with the added information,He stated "No" I can not do that applications was rejected. You need to file a new application and repay the application fee.

Needless to say we did not reapply, and I went to Arizona alone.

On the other hand I was given a visa on Arrival in Thailand, and had to make frequent visa runs, I was allowed easy access to live in Thailand, while my wife was not allowed a visa to meet my family. I think Thailand's immigration service is much fairer and a lot less expensive.

I went through this, but my girlfriend's visa was approved.

She had a job and I had a Thai work permit.

Now she has a ten year multi-entry visa to the US, good for six months per entry.

You go and try to get a similar visa for Thailand. Guess what? It doesn't even exist.

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Personally, I'd be rather stunned if it turned out that any of the countries where I am a citizen exposes Thais to wrongful actions simply because Thai immigration laws are less than favourable. I am actually quite confident there's no such thing as a discussion like "now they treat us bad, we're going to treat them the same way. That'll teach them!""

This is standard practice in many countries. Fees are reciprocated.

The UK has huge immigration fees, and as a result I am subject to huge fees when I go to other countries. I paid almost $1000 a year while in south America in work visa fees.

I don't see the problem, it seems fair to me? The aim is to make immigration between the two countries equal. If Thailand makes it difficult for country x citizens, country x makes it difficult for Thais.

Yes, a number of nationals get 90 days on arrival when arriving in Thailand instead of 30 because reciprocal visa arrangements.

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