Immigration Laws - Are Thais Subject To Retaliation In Other countries?

[kikoman 1,802]

I find the Expat aversion to the 90 day's address report, as nit picking it does not require a personal visit to immigration as I took care of those reports for simply the cost of a postage stamp to mail my required address check information in to immigration. When Nakhon Sawan opened an immigration office, that changed my reporting from Bangkok to that city, I do not have to mail it in any more as my daughter goes to that city daily and submit my reports for me most of the time free of any charge, sometimes it cost 100 baht because my wife or I did not personally submit the report.

The reason the U.S. immigration rejected my wife'e visa request was that many Thai women go to the states and never return to Thailand. If the U.S. would also require a 90 day address reporting requirement, maybe that would more effectively deal with the situation and have in effect the family members of their sponsors to seek Thai immigrants whereabouts,

Cheers:

[transam 39,578]

The difference is that Ladies disappear to make money in farangland, no such practice with us lot (perhaps a few ) we bring cash in.

[Kudel 306]

The difference is that Ladies disappear to make money in farangland, no such practice with us lot (perhaps a few ) we bring cash in.

Yes i have heard about some Thai woman doing this on tourist visas here and when caught being deported back to the motherland.But strangely enough there embassy is never involved and the flight back home is being payed by taxpayers money.

[Thai at Heart 17,307]

No certainly not.

There is no comparison to suggest otherwise.

Why?

Thais can come into the UK on a Settlement Visa. (roughly 33 months)

They do not have to check in every 90 days,either to the Home Office, UKBA, or the UK Police.

The same applies for their next Visa,which is ILR (Indefinate Leave to Remain)

And allows for applying for Citizenship within 5 years,of having arrived (previously 3+years,my wife obtained Citizenship in 3 years and 3 month,which has now changed to 5 years at the end of this month Oct 2013)

They can start work in the UK from day one. (without a work permit) and has many months to aquire, a free of charge NI no. (National Insurance Number )

They can buy Land or property in their own name.

They can buy a vehicle in their own name.Car or Motorcycle!

They can use a Thai Driving Licence for one year on arrival (before needing a UK Provisional Licence).

During the time they are subject to Immigration control,they are only obliged to contact the UKBA/Home office to notify a change of address,and/or a breakdown of the relationship, or a contravention of the Visa conditions,which initially the Sponsor is responsible for,any notifications.

They can also get free Health care under the NHS on a Settlement Visa +.Their own GP and any Surgery or other treatment,requiring Out patient or In Patient treatment,again free of charge, the only payment they have to pay is £7.80 for Prescriptions,the same as everyone else in the UK,who are non exempt of charges.

My Information is that there are 35,000 Thai Permanent Residents in the UK,according to 2012 figures!

Far from subject to any Retaliation in this Country,I am pleased to say Thai people in the UK are not discriminated against,our laws would not tolerate it!

Manic. Hear, hear.

At the end of the day, I paid millions of baht in tax in Thailand, and spent many millions more. It was as tedious staying there after 18 years as it was the day I got there.

Ordinarily bureaucracy serves a clear purpose and over time gets streamlined. Thailand seems to revel in the arbitrary and irrelevant. It just refuses to get better.

[transam 39,578]

No certainly not.

There is no comparison to suggest otherwise.

Why?

Thais can come into the UK on a Settlement Visa. (roughly 33 months)

They do not have to check in every 90 days,either to the Home Office, UKBA, or the UK Police.

The same applies for their next Visa,which is ILR (Indefinate Leave to Remain)

And allows for applying for Citizenship within 5 years,of having arrived (previously 3+years,my wife obtained Citizenship in 3 years and 3 month,which has now changed to 5 years at the end of this month Oct 2013)

They can start work in the UK from day one. (without a work permit) and has many months to aquire, a free of charge NI no. (National Insurance Number )

They can buy Land or property in their own name.

They can buy a vehicle in their own name.Car or Motorcycle!

They can use a Thai Driving Licence for one year on arrival (before needing a UK Provisional Licence).

During the time they are subject to Immigration control,they are only obliged to contact the UKBA/Home office to notify a change of address,and/or a breakdown of the relationship, or a contravention of the Visa conditions,which initially the Sponsor is responsible for,any notifications.

They can also get free Health care under the NHS on a Settlement Visa +.Their own GP and any Surgery or other treatment,requiring Out patient or In Patient treatment,again free of charge, the only payment they have to pay is £7.80 for Prescriptions,the same as everyone else in the UK,who are non exempt of charges.

My Information is that there are 35,000 Thai Permanent Residents in the UK,according to 2012 figures!

Far from subject to any Retaliation in this Country,I am pleased to say Thai people in the UK are not discriminated against,our laws would not tolerate it!

Manic. Hear, hear.

At the end of the day, I paid millions of baht in tax in Thailand, and spent many millions more. It was as tedious staying there after 18 years as it was the day I got there.

Ordinarily bureaucracy serves a clear purpose and over time gets streamlined. Thailand seems to revel in the arbitrary and irrelevant. It just refuses to get better.

Isn't it strange that LOS immigration never asks if you/we are funding a Thai child(ren) for a better life. Doesn't come into their equation.

[NeverSure 26,762]

I'm probably alone in this, but I wish the US didn't allow foreigners to buy land. Every time I read of some foreign government or company buying a landmark building or something, I cringe.

The land is American land and is for our children and grandchildren, not for people who hate us such as the Middle Easterners who wanted to build a big Mosque right next to the location of 9/11.

I think Thailand got that right. Foreigners should react accordingly.

[Forethat 2,132]

I'm probably alone in this, but I wish the US didn't allow foreigners to buy land. Every time I read of some foreign government or company buying a landmark building or something, I cringe.

The land is American land and is for our children and grandchildren, not for people who hate us such as the Middle Easterners who wanted to build a big Mosque right next to the location of 9/11.

Now you sound exactly the same way the Native Americans did when you stole the land from THEM.

Edited October 19, 2013 by Forethat

[impulse 17,981]

I'm probably alone in this, but I wish the US didn't allow foreigners to buy land. Every time I read of some foreign government or company buying a landmark building or something, I cringe.

The land is American land and is for our children and grandchildren, not for people who hate us such as the Middle Easterners who wanted to build a big Mosque right next to the location of 9/11.

Now you sound exactly the same way the Native Americans did when you stole the land from THEM.

You mean the land that the Cherokees pushed the Apaches off of, then got pushed off by the Lakota, who then got pushed off by the XXXX, who finally got pushed off by the foreign devils?

Or are you talking about south of the border where they spent centuries doing human sacrifices on everyone not from their city?

Edited October 19, 2013 by impulse

[bina 412]

there is no retaliation; most countries have reciprical programs but with limits. so, in israel, israelis have no proplem entering thailand up to thirty days with no visa, and can do the whole visa routine with wife if they want to.

the reciprocity is that thailand keeps up good realtionships with israel to maintain a direct line of immigrant workers in agriculture coming in here every year. and thai offices make huge amounts of money from that reciprocity.

thais need to pay up to 7000 dollars, to pay/ bribe people in order to come and work here for under minimum wage and live in shitty conditions. and then after five year have to go home and never come back again.

or come through travel groups (like church group tours) for a short time and go home .

or if they are married to an israeli citizen, go through 6! years of proving they live together in same house, are permitted to work only after half year to year of processing, are not considered married until a year has gone by, find it difficult to get jobs as employers fear they havfe to pay a ';foreign worker' tax; do not blend in at all with surrounding society, are considered as 'dog eaters' and lots of other disgusting things; and now, after 6 years, can apply for citizenship depending on level of language and intergration (center of life) in israeli society (holidays, etc), and must swear to keep and acknolege that israel is a jewish state (this was added last year, waiting ofr when hubby will have to take his oath, if he passes the citizenship review thsi next month)....

and , like in the danish/thai thread, can be deported if i die before he has citizenship.

so really, will everyone stop whinging.

peole here aer also whinging about having their partner/spouse from a foreign country ahveing a hard time getting in tothe israeli system.

every coutnry has its thing. and every year it gets more difficult. and if children are involved it is even more convoluted and sometimes heartbreaking. so get a grip.

[Thai at Heart 17,307]

there is no retaliation; most countries have reciprical programs but with limits. so, in israel, israelis have no proplem entering thailand up to thirty days with no visa, and can do the whole visa routine with wife if they want to.

the reciprocity is that thailand keeps up good realtionships with israel to maintain a direct line of immigrant workers in agriculture coming in here every year. and thai offices make huge amounts of money from that reciprocity.

thais need to pay up to 7000 dollars, to pay/ bribe people in order to come and work here for under minimum wage and live in shitty conditions. and then after five year have to go home and never come back again.

or come through travel groups (like church group tours) for a short time and go home .

or if they are married to an israeli citizen, go through 6! years of proving they live together in same house, are permitted to work only after half year to year of processing, are not considered married until a year has gone by, find it difficult to get jobs as employers fear they havfe to pay a ';foreign worker' tax; do not blend in at all with surrounding society, are considered as 'dog eaters' and lots of other disgusting things; and now, after 6 years, can apply for citizenship depending on level of language and intergration (center of life) in israeli society (holidays, etc), and must swear to keep and acknolege that israel is a jewish state (this was added last year, waiting ofr when hubby will have to take his oath, if he passes the citizenship review thsi next month)....

and , like in the danish/thai thread, can be deported if i die before he has citizenship.

so really, will everyone stop whinging.

peole here aer also whinging about having their partner/spouse from a foreign country ahveing a hard time getting in tothe israeli system.

every coutnry has its thing. and every year it gets more difficult. and if children are involved it is even more convoluted and sometimes heartbreaking. so get a grip.

Are there thousands of people every year who aren't Jewish emigrating permenantly to Israel?

Hardly the liberal west is it....

Edited October 19, 2013 by Thai at Heart

[Forethat 2,132]

I've been through the UK visa process for Thai nationals and it is not pretty. In fact it was nasty, harsh and unfair. A cruel ordeal.

Even after six months of refusals and going to court and winning a court order the person at Heathrow immigration still tried to refuse entry even though we had a three year old with us. It got very heated with the immigration officer even screaming after us in the bitchiest of tones that we had to be out in six months! This was a six month family visitor visa.

We were back in BKK within three weeks.

All to easy to complain about visa procedures to western countrys on internet forums without knowing the the real story why applications have been turned down from both sides.

You suggest there's a real and not real story, where we only know the not real one?

If an application for a visa is rejected it's rejected because you dont meet the requirements. Nothing else. I've never heard anyone say that Thais who doesn't meet the requirements should be granted a visa.

[kikoman 1,802]

The sad fact is that Thailand will allow any U.S. resident easy access to the country, and to stay on a more permanent basis, must simply show financial responsibility and you do not have a criminal record.

The US is very selective in who it allows into the country very few who desire to visit the country are allowed entrance.

I know individuals who met their wife in the beer bars, approved to enter the U.S. I must assume they were not honest in filling out the visa request, because of their past job history.

But a Thai women that has never had that type of job history is denied entrance.

Cheers:

[Kudel 306]

I've been through the UK visa process for Thai nationals and it is not pretty. In fact it was nasty, harsh and unfair. A cruel ordeal.

Even after six months of refusals and going to court and winning a court order the person at Heathrow immigration still tried to refuse entry even though we had a three year old with us. It got very heated with the immigration officer even screaming after us in the bitchiest of tones that we had to be out in six months! This was a six month family visitor visa.

We were back in BKK within three weeks.

All to easy to complain about visa procedures to western countrys on internet forums without knowing the the real story why applications have been turned down from both sides.

You suggest there's a real and not real story, where we only know the not real one?

If an application for a visa is rejected it's rejected because you dont meet the requirements. Nothing else. I've never heard anyone say that Thais who doesn't meet the requirements should be granted a visa.

You clearly have an axe to grind with immigration policys of certain western countrys towards Thais thats why you started this topic but now youre bouncing of the walls.

In the topic concerning the Thai child and her mother in Denmark you have a problem with Danish immi rules because they dont meet the requirements any more according to Danish law.But then you say i've never heard anyone say that Thais who doesn't meet the requirements should be granted a visa,so what is it now?

[bina 412]

thai heart, actually yes. for a smallo country we have a huge amount of non jewish, and actually muslem (non arab) refugees that are at the present moment causing havoc here: sudanese, euritreans, nigerians, , and unfortunately the amount of violence in the areas theya re living in has risen drastically for various reasons(unemployment, drinking, post trauma violence, rape of women among their own and also among the neighborhoods, thieveing/breaking and entering becauuse lack of work, lack of funds, as they are not allowed to work with a 'refugee' visa. ) even my thai husband has become anti refugee,

and then there is the problem of the filipinas that stay over their visa limit and have mixed children (from married thai men that are here on 5 yr visas for work)

and the 'deportation' that occured last year for all children under a certain age that hadnt been in the country before a certain year cut off date, although the children spoke only hebrew, were in schools, and in some cases, even in army!!! (i personally know of two that were in army service and were deported, and other cases the parents and siblings were deported).

so realy, people here just whinge a lot. w/o really knowing what goes on in other countries. i do because i follow (mostly thai oriented) decisions made here, as the wife of a foreign worker -now with regular visa. and in a society that is blatantly racist in that respect.

go in to the kav l'oved site and you will see all the stats.

not too mention all the convoluted situations of marriages over the green line (a friend's wife comes from over the line) and the enability to get 'family unification visas' , work visas, and whatever else there is, from social services to well baby care.

when you marry in to an other country, you get stuck with their laws, its a decision you make, no one forced you to do it. the children of these marriages howver are born in to difficult legal situations.

[Forethat 2,132]

You clearly have an axe to grind with immigration policys of certain western countrys towards Thais thats why you started this topic but now youre bouncing of the walls.

Certainly not. I started this thread because a couple of posters who wanted to debate the Thai immigration laws in relation to their national counterparts. Rather than having them contaminating what was an interesting I started a new topic for them.

In the topic concerning the Thai child and her mother in Denmark you have a problem with Danish immi rules because they dont meet the requirements any more according to Danish law.

Certainly not, and if you read post 31 in that topic I'm sure you'll understand exactly my point (which is that they actually met the requirements and were already accepted to the Danish society).

And I am pretty confident their ruling has by no means been influenced by how Danish are treated by Thai Immigration laws. In that aspect, things are, in my opinion, exactly as they should be.