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Immigration Laws - Are Thais Subject To Retaliation In Other countries?

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No certainly not.

There is no comparison to suggest otherwise.

Why?

Thais can come into the UK on a Settlement Visa. (roughly 33 months)

They do not have to check in every 90 days,either to the Home Office, UKBA, or the UK Police.

The same applies for their next Visa,which is ILR (Indefinate Leave to Remain)

And allows for applying for Citizenship within 5 years,of having arrived (previously 3+years,my wife obtained Citizenship in 3 years and 3 month,which has now changed to 5 years at the end of this month Oct 2013)

They can start work in the UK from day one. (without a work permit) and has many months to aquire, a free of charge NI no. (National Insurance Number )

They can buy Land or property in their own name.

They can buy a vehicle in their own name.Car or Motorcycle!

They can use a Thai Driving Licence for one year on arrival (before needing a UK Provisional Licence).

During the time they are subject to Immigration control,they are only obliged to contact the UKBA/Home office to notify a change of address,and/or a breakdown of the relationship, or a contravention of the Visa conditions,which initially the Sponsor is responsible for,any notifications.

They can also get free Health care under the NHS on a Settlement Visa +.Their own GP and any Surgery or other treatment,requiring Out patient or In Patient treatment,again free of charge, the only payment they have to pay is £7.80 for Prescriptions,the same as everyone else in the UK,who are non exempt of charges.

My Information is that there are 35,000 Thai Permanent Residents in the UK,according to 2012 figures!

Far from subject to any Retaliation in this Country,I am pleased to say Thai people in the UK are not discriminated against,our laws would not tolerate it!

Actually, I doubt that any Thai would be able to acquire a Settlement visa in UK other than Thais who have previously lived or studied in UK, or if he-she fits under one of the working categories.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/settlement/

In order to buy land or drive a vehicle in UK they must first get into the country, which in most cases is very difficult.

Regardless of visa, in order to acquire one they will have to demonstrate a knowledge of language and life in the UK. Something that would have ruled out most farangs in he reverse situation.

So no, I'm sorry, Thais cannot "come into the UK on a Settlement Visa" other than in very minor cases, and it certainly doesn't apply to most Thais who often struggle to even get permission to enter the country on a tourist basis.

Patently you have set, incorrect views on Immigration to the UK. Suffice to say it's not that difficult,like all Countries,there is a need to abide by the conditions of entry.

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What is interesting is the many posts on TV with regards to Thai immigration laws and how expats are being treated "unfair" and if only farangs were able to buy land and yada yada yada.

There are also a remarkable number of posts where the author suggests that their home country should apply some sort of distinction based on nationalities and adopt an "eye for en eye" policy towards citizens of countries that enforce a more stringent immigration policy.

This is utter childish rubbish, if you ask me. I can only assume that this view is only represented by an exceedingly small number of expats, and by no means represent a generic view.

The truth is, that those who believe Thailand are treating farangs as <deleted>, have none or very little knowledge of how Thais are being treated in their own home countries in Europe, where - with very few exceptions - arbitrary bullshit sets the standard for an inhumane and dangerous view on humans and their social life, something that sometimes inhibits people to move across borders even though families and their wellbeing are at stake.

The simple truth is that unless you are extradited out of Thailand you would be able to live there if you wanted to, where as a Thai wouldn't even be able to cross the border of most European countries unless someone was prepared to sponsor the visit.

The truth is that Thailand is one of the most accessible countries there is in terms of immigration. Contrary, if a Thai child and mother had the option of reporting to the authorities every 90 days, if that meant they could stay in the country where they have lived for many years, I'm pretty confident they would gladly accept that option. But the average expat cries like a little girl because they have to do exactly this.

Most expats should be extremely happy that Thailand doesn't start treating farangs the same way Thais are being treated abroad.

Sorry! But you are wrong, Thailand is not one of the most accessible countries there is in terms of IMMIGRATION. We are not immigrants, we are guest, who can easily be deported. What is true is that it is easy for nationals of most countries to obtain entry into Thailand,by usually gaining a restricted visa at the point of entry. Very easy to get into, but not so easy to stay if the authorities want you out and while you are IN Thailand you have very little rights. In comparison the entry requirements into the UK are very strict, yet once you are in, you can enjoy many rights, such as to own land, obtain British citizenship etc, and of course it can be very difficult for the authorities to deport you.

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I would be in favor of 100% reciprocity when it comes to visas.

Let's start with tourist visas: all Western nationals should be subjected to degrading interviews and be required to lay bare all of their personal financial details before (likely) being denied a tourist visa to visit Thailand (and not having their exorbitant application fee refunded).

And, on the odd chance a visa IS granted, let's subject Westerners to the exact same degrading personal interrogation on arrival -- and if the immigration guy doesn't like your mug, put you on the next plane back home and blacklist you for the next five years.

Let's start now.

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I do not consider the Thai immigration laws as being unreasonable, considering that Westerners are able to literally just walk in and out of the country at anytime with virtually no questions asked.

All they need to do is be able to qualify to stay under the Immigration laws of Thailand. If they can do that, then there is no problem, if they can`t, then why come here to whine and moan about it?

You are confusing immigration with tourism.

Very easy to visit Thailand as a tourist, very had to immigrate to Thailand.

Most foreigners never have any rights to live, work or own land here ....... that's called immigration.

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What is interesting is the many posts on TV with regards to Thai immigration laws and how expats are being treated "unfair" and if only farangs were able to buy land and yada yada yada.

There are also a remarkable number of posts where the author suggests that their home country should apply some sort of distinction based on nationalities and adopt an "eye for en eye" policy towards citizens of countries that enforce a more stringent immigration policy.

This is utter childish rubbish, if you ask me. I can only assume that this view is only represented by an exceedingly small number of expats, and by no means represent a generic view.

The truth is, that those who believe Thailand are treating farangs as <deleted>, have none or very little knowledge of how Thais are being treated in their own home countries in Europe, where - with very few exceptions - arbitrary bullshit sets the standard for an inhumane and dangerous view on humans and their social life, something that sometimes inhibits people to move across borders even though families and their wellbeing are at stake.

The simple truth is that unless you are extradited out of Thailand you would be able to live there if you wanted to, where as a Thai wouldn't even be able to cross the border of most European countries unless someone was prepared to sponsor the visit.

The truth is that Thailand is one of the most accessible countries there is in terms of immigration. Contrary, if a Thai child and mother had the option of reporting to the authorities every 90 days, if that meant they could stay in the country where they have lived for many years, I'm pretty confident they would gladly accept that option. But the average expat cries like a little girl because they have to do exactly this.

Most expats should be extremely happy that Thailand doesn't start treating farangs the same way Thais are being treated abroad.

Sorry! But you are wrong, Thailand is not one of the most accessible countries there is in terms of IMMIGRATION. We are not immigrants, we are guest, who can easily be deported. What is true is that it is easy for nationals of most countries to obtain entry into Thailand,by usually gaining a restricted visa at the point of entry. Very easy to get into, but not so easy to stay if the authorities want you out and while you are IN Thailand you have very little rights. In comparison the entry requirements into the UK are very strict, yet once you are in, you can enjoy many rights, such as to own land, obtain British citizenship etc, and of course it can be very difficult for the authorities to deport you.

Thank you. You obviously have the sense to see that it must be a two way street.

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I do not consider the Thai immigration laws as being unreasonable, considering that Westerners are able to literally just walk in and out of the country at anytime with virtually no questions asked.

All they need to do is be able to qualify to stay under the Immigration laws of Thailand. If they can do that, then there is no problem, if they can`t, then why come here to whine and moan about it?

You are confusing immigration with tourism.

Very easy to visit Thailand as a tourist, very had to immigrate to Thailand.

Most foreigners never have any rights to live, work or own land here ....... that's called immigration.

Most foreigners never try.

Most are happy pretending to be a "tourist" for decades at a time.

Earning 50k a month in Thailand makes it impossible for most of us to even apply.

Not everyone works in the financial sector or on an expat package.

Reduce the wage level to the same as a Thai (9k a month), allow me to work in any job I want, and I'll give it a go.

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I do not consider the Thai immigration laws as being unreasonable, considering that Westerners are able to literally just walk in and out of the country at anytime with virtually no questions asked.

All they need to do is be able to qualify to stay under the Immigration laws of Thailand. If they can do that, then there is no problem, if they can`t, then why come here to whine and moan about it?

You are confusing immigration with tourism.

Very easy to visit Thailand as a tourist, very had to immigrate to Thailand.

Most foreigners never have any rights to live, work or own land here ....... that's called immigration.

Most foreigners never try.

Most are happy pretending to be a "tourist" for decades at a time.

Earning 50k a month in Thailand makes it impossible for most of us to even apply.

Not everyone works in the financial sector or on an expat package.

Reduce the wage level to the same as a Thai (9k a month), allow me to work in any job I want, and I'll give it a go.

Thailand has enough minimum wage people living here.

I know you see it only in terms of "me me me"...but do you know how many minimum wage Laos, Cambodians, and Burmese there are here who would clog the system with applications?

And, do you think a minimum-wage Thai has a chance in hell of even setting foot in your home country? If there were reciprocity and all things were even, YOU WOULD NOT BE HERE PERIOD. So stop griping.

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You are confusing immigration with tourism.

Very easy to visit Thailand as a tourist, very had to immigrate to Thailand.

Most foreigners never have any rights to live, work or own land here ....... that's called immigration.

Probably a case of terminology and definition, but I think you are confusing immigration with permanent residency.

My definition of immigration is settling in a country. Something anyone with a little bit of money can do, contrary to most European countries where all the money in the world (well, maybe...) will not get you a retirement visa even if you wanted to.

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You are confusing immigration with tourism.

Very easy to visit Thailand as a tourist, very had to immigrate to Thailand.

Most foreigners never have any rights to live, work or own land here ....... that's called immigration.

Probably a case of terminology and definition, but I think you are confusing immigration with permanent residency.

My definition of immigration is settling in a country. Something anyone with a little bit of money can do, contrary to most European countries where all the money in the world (well, maybe...) will not get you a retirement visa even if you wanted to.

Immigration is a term clearly defined, what you feel the definition should be is of no interest to anyone.

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And, do you think a minimum-wage Thai has a chance in hell of even setting foot in your home country? If there were reciprocity and all things were even, YOU WOULD NOT BE HERE PERIOD. So stop griping.

Minimum wage Thai?, my wife with NO WAGE can easily, not only set foot, but immigrate to my country (England) tomorrow.

All she needs is a husband (me) with 62k GBP in the bank or an income of 18k GBP/year and it's a done deal.

(I can satisfy both requirements even though only one is needed)

If there were reciprocity in everything, I would be here as a Thai citizen already.

You can apply for Thai citizenship if you're married to a Thai.

Let me guess...you haven't.

You complain about the financial thresholds here, but look at the ones you've just quoted in the UK.

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You are confusing immigration with tourism.

Very easy to visit Thailand as a tourist, very had to immigrate to Thailand.

Most foreigners never have any rights to live, work or own land here ....... that's called immigration.

Probably a case of terminology and definition, but I think you are confusing immigration with permanent residency.

My definition of immigration is settling in a country. Something anyone with a little bit of money can do, contrary to most European countries where all the money in the world (well, maybe...) will not get you a retirement visa even if you wanted to.

Immigration is a term clearly defined, what you feel the definition should be is of no interest to anyone.

My definition doesn't have anything to do with feel, it's an internationally adopted definition. Since there are several definitions I thought it'd be a good thing to declare which one I am using.

Immigration is the movement of people into another country or region to which they are not native in order to settle there

Actually, if you're not interested in others opinions I wonder why you're even here in the first place...

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And, do you think a minimum-wage Thai has a chance in hell of even setting foot in your home country? If there were reciprocity and all things were even, YOU WOULD NOT BE HERE PERIOD. So stop griping.

Minimum wage Thai?, my wife with NO WAGE can easily, not only set foot, but immigrate to my country (England) tomorrow.

All she needs is a husband (me) with 62k GBP in the bank or an income of 18k GBP/year and it's a done deal.

(I can satisfy both requirements even though only one is needed)

If there were reciprocity in everything, I would be here as a Thai citizen already.

You can apply for Thai citizenship if you're married to a Thai.

Let me guess...you haven't.

You complain about the financial thresholds here, but look at the ones you've just quoted in the UK.

You obviously have NOT read the terms to even apply for residency in LOS have you ??????????? Gawd.........coffee1.gif

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You can apply for Thai citizenship if you're married to a Thai.

Let me guess...you haven't.

You complain about the financial thresholds here, but look at the ones you've just quoted in the UK.

The financial threshold in the UK (for spouse immigration) is set by the income needed to stop your family claiming UK state benefits. I would happily accept similar rules set in Thailand.

But then Thailand excludes my income as it is not earned in Thailand, where the UK accepts income from any country.

Funny thing is, I don't see the UK threshold as particularly high, and you do. I was earning 3x that threshold in 1990. It really isn't a lot of money for a working man in the UK to earn.

So I'm betting you don't have much of an income or savings, and are in fact one of the people you pretend to look down on.

(I am married to a Thai, and have two Thai/English dual nationality children, since you asked, but special branch won't accept my application as I have no need to work in Thailand, or anywhere else for that matter.)

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