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Thanks for the laugh, "Scotland is well known for financial astuteness" Pity it didn't apply to the last two Chancellors of the Exchequer in the Labour lead government. Then of course we could continue on discussing the Bank of Scotland who were Taken Over by the Halifax Building Society in 2001, you will recall that Alex Salmonds then like a little child put pressure on the Scottish lead Labour government to insist that the headquarters of the new HBOS would be situated in Edinburgh, leading again to an example of Scottish financial astuteness for which the whole of the UK population is still paying, in addition to the loss of many jobs in Halifax, an area already suffering high unemployment to a more prosperous area. Hopefully these jobs will be returned to the rest of the UK in 2016 along with tens of thousands of others.

Then of course we have the Royal Bank of Scotland who after merging with the larger English Natwest bank strangely saw it's headquarters moved to Edinburgh, again at the cost of many jobs in the rest of the UK. This lead to more astute Scottish management, which in turn resulted in the British Government ( the Tax payer) having to take a very large stake in the bank,facilitated with the agreement of the then Scottish Chancellor of the Exchequer.

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RBoS at the time of their demise was lead by Lawrence Fish, chairman, an American national.

and Bank of Scotland lead by Andy Hornby an English businessman,

Andy Hornsby was but one member of the board, who were the others, I'll start you off. Chairman of the board Lord Stevenson, born and raised in Edinburgh as were the majority of the others.

No mention by you of the thousands of jobs moved from a high unemployment area in England to a prosperous area in Scotland. Can you imagine the uproar if it had been the other way round. And still this pandering continues, just ask the shipyard workers in Portsmouth.

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All you points about Scottish residents' access to NHS services in the rest of the UK are perfectly valid; while Scotland remains part of the UK.

If Scotland leaves the UK then there is no reason why Scottish residents should be treated in the UK any differently to all other non UK residents.

Not just when it comes to NHS treatment, but in everything else as well.

If you want independence; have it.

But it should be full independence, without retaining the benefits of being part of the UK in areas which suit you.

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Seems we are getting back to the oil thing again...........

Sorry, a flaw of mine, but when I see deliberate distortions of the truth that are designed to damage the cause of independence , I feel compelled to retort.

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Yet you seem happy to accept distortions of the truth which are designed to support the cause of independence.

Of which there have been many examples here.

Double standards?

i do believe that the people who actually live,or have lived in Scotland have a better grasp of the Truth as you say it than yourself,,who at best is a passing tourist.

.A Scottish Unionist is a very different breed to an English ,Welsh or Irish Unionist for that matter,,though they are all in bed together as we speak.

After all England will be a much better together region without Scotland,,why are you so frightened,,,,you can always use your better together to create inequality in the North of the region named England,,,oops you are already doing that...and i thought it was a UK,,oh well you can always use your better together to create inequality in Wales...though maybe that is a part of England i am not sure....Truth from the papers..the newspapers or the politicians and you want an intelligent debate?....And i thought Scotland had modeled its Utopian idea on sussex,, must be true then,,,no food banks down there then,,,no welfare benefits cheats oh no,,, no tax evasion corporate leaders,,,well steady on old chap no need to be flippant,,we are better together at somethings are we,,,,,,smokescreen action

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Seems we are getting back to the oil thing again...........

Sorry, a flaw of mine, but when I see deliberate distortions of the truth that are designed to damage the cause of independence , I feel compelled to retort.

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Yet you seem happy to accept distortions of the truth which are designed to support the cause of independence.

Of which there have been many examples here.

Double standards?

The truth by the better together which 7 by 7 accepts as the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth as in the first part of this link

Again the hospital itself said that the advert was not true,,but still 7 by 7 wants us to believe that there is a UK NHS. Remember the advert was aimed at cancer patients and children better together aye righthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JijOqL8jVds

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The RoI did indeed tie the Punt to Sterling for many years; until they joined the ERM and the UK didn't.

But that is not the same as a formal currency union; even though both currencies were accepted, unofficially, by most shops either side of the border.

I am aware that the SNP is not the whole of the Yes campaign. But they are the major player.

It was they who produced the 'manifesto' for the Yes campaign.

It was they who produced the estimates of the cost of independence; both sets, the one they published and the one they tried to keep secret.

If Scotland does become independent then it will, of course, be up to the Scottish voters, when the SNP call an election, to decide who will form their next government; I have never denied that.

On the subjects of the SNP and a currency union:

‘UK should not vote on currency union’ - Salmond

IN the event of Scottish independence, people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland should not be given a formal say on whether Scotland enters a currency union with them, according to First Minister Alex Salmond.

Seems that Salmond's belief in the right of the people to decide only applies to Scottish people; not the rest of us!

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Thanks for the laugh, "Scotland is well known for financial astuteness" Pity it didn't apply to the last two Chancellors of the Exchequer in the Labour lead government. Then of course we could continue on discussing the Bank of Scotland who were Taken Over by the Halifax Building Society in 2001, you will recall that Alex Salmonds then like a little child put pressure on the Scottish lead Labour government to insist that the headquarters of the new HBOS would be situated in Edinburgh, leading again to an example of Scottish financial astuteness for which the whole of the UK population is still paying, in addition to the loss of many jobs in Halifax, an area already suffering high unemployment to a more prosperous area. Hopefully these jobs will be returned to the rest of the UK in 2016 along with tens of thousands of others.

Then of course we have the Royal Bank of Scotland who after merging with the larger English Natwest bank strangely saw it's headquarters moved to Edinburgh, again at the cost of many jobs in the rest of the UK. This lead to more astute Scottish management, which in turn resulted in the British Government ( the Tax payer) having to take a very large stake in the bank,facilitated with the agreement of the then Scottish Chancellor of the Exchequer.

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RBoS at the time of their demise was lead by Lawrence Fish, chairman, an American national.

and Bank of Scotland lead by Andy Hornby an English businessman,

Andy Hornsby was but one member of the board, who were the others, I'll start you off. Chairman of the board Lord Stevenson, born and raised in Edinburgh as were the majority of the others.

No mention by you of the thousands of jobs moved from a high unemployment area in England to a prosperous area in Scotland. Can you imagine the uproar if it had been the other way round. And still this pandering continues, just ask the shipyard workers in Portsmouth.

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keep on your Scot bashing,,you have been doing it for over 50 years,,,,Ask them what they thought about independence you wouldnt get a short answer to that....After all sunny boy we all still are Uk citizens arent we not...Well 29000 jobs lost on the clyde since 79 is a good place to start How many jobs lost in portsmouth

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jpinx,

The RoI did indeed tie the Punt to Sterling for many years; until they joined the ERM and the UK didn't.

But that is not the same as a formal currency union; even though both currencies were accepted, unofficially, by most shops either side of the border.

I am aware that the SNP is not the whole of the Yes campaign. But they are the major player.

It was they who produced the 'manifesto' for the Yes campaign.

It was they who produced the estimates of the cost of independence; both sets, the one they published and the one they tried to keep secret.

If Scotland does become independent then it will, of course, be up to the Scottish voters, when the SNP call an election, to decide who will form their next government; I have never denied that.

On the subjects of the SNP and a currency union:

‘UK should not vote on currency union’ - Salmond

IN the event of Scottish independence, people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland should not be given a formal say on whether Scotland enters a currency union with them, according to First Minister Alex Salmond.

Seems that Salmond's belief in the right of the people to decide only applies to Scottish people; not the rest of us!

The major player of the yes campaign are the people who can vote ,,You keep on wanting to draw attention to Salmond who as a politician could wipe the floor with anyone,,but like everyone on the yes side knows it is not about salmond intelligent debate is that your marker?

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Seems we are getting back to the oil thing again...........

Sorry, a flaw of mine, but when I see deliberate distortions of the truth that are designed to damage the cause of independence , I feel compelled to retort.

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Yet you seem happy to accept distortions of the truth which are designed to support the cause of independence.

Of which there have been many examples here.

Double standards?

The truth by the better together which 7 by 7 accepts as the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth as in the first part of this link

Again the hospital itself said that the advert was not true,,but still 7 by 7 wants us to believe that there is a UK NHS. Remember the advert was aimed at cancer patients and children better together aye righthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JijOqL8jVds

I have twice provided you with a link to an independent, authoritative source, the CAB, which goes into great detail about exactly what NHS treatment non UK residents are and are not entitled to.

You seem to be ignoring that.

I have asked you the following many times, and each time you have ignored the question.

I will ask you one more time.

Why should residents of an independent Scotland be treated any differently to all other non UK residents, including non resident British citizens, when it comes to NHS treatment in the UK?

You can make all the silly comments you wish; you can state the current position as often as you like.

But that is the fundamental question.

Unless you answer it, all your comments on the subject are worthless hot air and so will be ignored by me.

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jpinx,

The RoI did indeed tie the Punt to Sterling for many years; until they joined the ERM and the UK didn't.

But that is not the same as a formal currency union; even though both currencies were accepted, unofficially, by most shops either side of the border.

I am aware that the SNP is not the whole of the Yes campaign. But they are the major player.

It was they who produced the 'manifesto' for the Yes campaign.

It was they who produced the estimates of the cost of independence; both sets, the one they published and the one they tried to keep secret.

If Scotland does become independent then it will, of course, be up to the Scottish voters, when the SNP call an election, to decide who will form their next government; I have never denied that.

On the subjects of the SNP and a currency union:

‘UK should not vote on currency union’ - Salmond

IN the event of Scottish independence, people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland should not be given a formal say on whether Scotland enters a currency union with them, according to First Minister Alex Salmond.

Seems that Salmond's belief in the right of the people to decide only applies to Scottish people; not the rest of us!

The major player of the yes campaign are the people who can vote ,,You keep on wanting to draw attention to Salmond who as a politician could wipe the floor with anyone,,but like everyone on the yes side knows it is not about salmond intelligent debate is that your marker?

No, the major players, in fact only players, in the actual decision are the people who can vote.

Salmond and the SNP are the major players in the campaign attempting to persuade those people to vote Yes.

As for Salmond's ability to wipe the floor; give him a bucket and a mop and after a bit of practice he could probably do ok.

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Wigantojapan.

All you points about Scottish residents' access to NHS services in the rest of the UK are perfectly valid; while Scotland remains part of the UK.

If Scotland leaves the UK then there is no reason why Scottish residents should be treated in the UK any differently to all other non UK residents.

Not just when it comes to NHS treatment, but in everything else as well.

If you want independence; have it.

But it should be full independence, without retaining the benefits of being part of the UK in areas which suit you.

Nothing to do with Scotland being a part of UK now.

They are independent NHS how will that change either way it wont.

no Uk taxes NOW pay for Scottish patients healthcare in England

NONE not 1 penny

Scotland NHS pays,, NOT UK taxes......

What will happen in the event of a NO VOTE is that Westminister will give 4 billion austerity pounds to Scotland as a thank you for being better together,,,That could impact on NHS Scotland.

NHS England could also offer 100% free care in England to English residents,,it chooses not to.

clear enough

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No; because it does not answer the basic question.

Non UK residents have very limited access to NHS care in the UK.

Residents of an independent Scotland will not be UK residents.

You really do want independence in areas that suit you, but still retain all the rights and benefits of being part of the UK as well!

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jpinx,

The RoI did indeed tie the Punt to Sterling for many years; until they joined the ERM and the UK didn't.

But that is not the same as a formal currency union; even though both currencies were accepted, unofficially, by most shops either side of the border.

I am aware that the SNP is not the whole of the Yes campaign. But they are the major player.

It was they who produced the 'manifesto' for the Yes campaign.

It was they who produced the estimates of the cost of independence; both sets, the one they published and the one they tried to keep secret.

If Scotland does become independent then it will, of course, be up to the Scottish voters, when the SNP call an election, to decide who will form their next government; I have never denied that.

On the subjects of the SNP and a currency union:

‘UK should not vote on currency union’ - Salmond

IN the event of Scottish independence, people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland should not be given a formal say on whether Scotland enters a currency union with them, according to First Minister Alex Salmond.

Seems that Salmond's belief in the right of the people to decide only applies to Scottish people; not the rest of us!

The major player of the yes campaign are the people who can vote ,,You keep on wanting to draw attention to Salmond who as a politician could wipe the floor with anyone,,but like everyone on the yes side knows it is not about salmond intelligent debate is that your marker?

No, the major players, in fact only players, in the actual decision are the people who can vote.

Salmond and the SNP are the major players in the campaign attempting to persuade those people to vote Yes.

As for Salmond's ability to wipe the floor; give him a bucket and a mop and after a bit of practice he could probably do ok.

hers is a good one hour for you while salmond cleans the floor..Im sure he is humble enough to do thathttp://youtu.be/Kiatf_Nt3nI

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No; because it does not answer the basic question.

Non UK residents have very limited access to NHS care in the UK.

Residents of an independent Scotland will not be UK residents.

You really do want independence in areas that suit you, but still retain all the rights and benefits of being part of the UK as well!

How about this: there is a clear moral reason for a different approach.

The UK wide NHS was developed as it currently is, with strategically placed centres of excellence, using UK taxes. Of course it makes sense to cluster expertise in a handful of areas, usually densely populated, rather than offer specialised services throughout the country.

Scotland uses those like every other region, and pays for them like every other user. But the decision to place them in, say, London rather than Aberdeen is simply an accident of history, and the moral case for not denying access to the very people who's taxes helped develop those facilities is clear.

It is disappointing that this lie is still being repeated because, unlike the other lies that the No campaign push repeatedly, this one causes wholly unnecessary concern for the most vulnerable people.

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No; because it does not answer the basic question.

Non UK residents have very limited access to NHS care in the UK.

Residents of an independent Scotland will not be UK residents.

You really do want independence in areas that suit you, but still retain all the rights and benefits of being part of the UK as well!

Scottish residents have limited access to NHS ENGLAND NOW

That will not change after a yes or no vote.

A Scottish resident NOW pays for his/her treatment in NHS England or even as i said before within different Health Boards with in Scotland

Scotland NHS is treated as a NON NHS ENGLAND status and has that same status as a non UK resident regarding health care

Try taking off your xenophobic mask .

The rights and benefits you go on about are simply a financial agreement,,nothing to do with health and taking care of the patient,,but first and foremost, get as much money as you can from the people who most need the help of society the sick

Thats what you are happy with.

Scotland as a whole are not

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