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7x7 - There is no mechanism in place to deny Scottish residents that have paid into the NHS access to the NHS.

Your line about general taxation is a red herring - you know what the contract and obligation of NIC is. I believe at this moment in time you are kicking yourself in the realization that I'm right. It would be better that you admitted that the UK government will either have to honour the current agreement - or provide a lump sum to fund their obligation. There is no chance whatsoever of the UK government providing a lump sum, so they will have to grant access to the NHS for Scottish resident NI contributants.

Sometimes in life you have to put your hand up and admit that what you think should happen, and what will happen, are two totally different things.

hell will freeze over quicker rather than the sussex man hold his hand up to any lack of understanding in anything

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7x7 - There is no mechanism in place to deny Scottish residents that have paid into the NHS access to the NHS.

Your line about general taxation is a red herring - you know what the contract and obligation of NIC is. I believe at this moment in time you are kicking yourself in the realization that I'm right. It would be better that you admitted that the UK government will either have to honour the current agreement - or provide a lump sum to fund their obligation. There is no chance whatsoever of the UK government providing a lump sum, so they will have to grant access to the NHS for Scottish resident NI contributants.

Sometimes in life you have to put your hand up and admit that what you think should happen, and what will happen, are two totally different things.

hell will freeze over quicker rather than the sussex man hold his hand up to any lack of understanding in anything

I did say there was no point in arguing with him.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when the Advocate General is summonsed to Downing Street.

"Old chap, these still existing British citizens have paid into the NI system since 1947 - how do we get out of paying them what they are due?"

"We can't"

"Why not?"

"We don't have the legislative power to do so."

"Why?"

"Because when the legislation was written, no one thought to add a clause covering the possible secession of Scotland."

"Oh, that's a bit of a blow."

"Indeed."

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7x7 - There is no mechanism in place to deny Scottish residents that have paid into the NHS access to the NHS.

Your line about general taxation is a red herring - you know what the contract and obligation of NIC is. I believe at this moment in time you are kicking yourself in the realization that I'm right. It would be better that you admitted that the UK government will either have to honour the current agreement - or provide a lump sum to fund their obligation. There is no chance whatsoever of the UK government providing a lump sum, so they will have to grant access to the NHS for Scottish resident NI contributants.

Sometimes in life you have to put your hand up and admit that what you think should happen, and what will happen, are two totally different things.

No one pays into the NHS per se.

Scottish residents are the same as residents in all other parts of the UK. They pay taxes and NICs, if obliged to, part of which goes to fund the NHS.

NHS treatment is available to all UK residents, regardless of how much, or little, they may have paid in taxes and NICs.

An independent Scotland will not be part of the UK. Therefore residents in an independent Scotland will not be UK residents.

There is no logical nor fair reason why residents of an independent Scotland should be treated (no pun intended) in this or any other regard any differently to all other non UK residents. Including non UK residents who are British citizens.

But, of course, Yes supporters demand that they are given special treatment (again, no pun intended) in this and many other areas. Simply because you want independence for Scotland, yet want to retain all the rights and benefits of being part of the UK where that is to your advantage.

You are right in one respect; this is a pointless argument; there is no way that you and wiganetc. will accept the hard realities of what Scotland will lose if it becomes independent.

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7x7 - There is no mechanism in place to deny Scottish residents that have paid into the NHS access to the NHS.

Your line about general taxation is a red herring - you know what the contract and obligation of NIC is. I believe at this moment in time you are kicking yourself in the realization that I'm right. It would be better that you admitted that the UK government will either have to honour the current agreement - or provide a lump sum to fund their obligation. There is no chance whatsoever of the UK government providing a lump sum, so they will have to grant access to the NHS for Scottish resident NI contributants.

Sometimes in life you have to put your hand up and admit that what you think should happen, and what will happen, are two totally different things.

No one pays into the NHS per se.

Scottish residents are the same as residents in all other parts of the UK. They pay taxes and NICs, if obliged to, part of which goes to fund the NHS.

NHS treatment is available to all UK residents, regardless of how much, or little, they may have paid in taxes and NICs.

An independent Scotland will not be part of the UK. Therefore residents in an independent Scotland will not be UK residents.

There is no logical nor fair reason why residents of an independent Scotland should be treated (no pun intended) in this or any other regard any differently to all other non UK residents. Including non UK residents who are British citizens.

But, of course, Yes supporters demand that they are given special treatment (again, no pun intended) in this and many other areas. Simply because you want independence for Scotland, yet want to retain all the rights and benefits of being part of the UK where that is to your advantage.

Sophistry - and this has nothing to do with yes voters.

Every Scottish resident that has paid into the UK NIC system is entitled to the benefits accrued. That includes the no voters. That includes the English born residents. Even those from Sussex.

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What is certain is that Scotland and Salmond in particular will not let Westminister dictate as they have often done and continue to do so to this day.

Equally certain is that the UK government will not let Salmond, or his successors, dictate to them.

Though he and you obviously believe that they will.

BTW, the UK is a democracy, not a dictatorship; otherwise you would not be having this referendum.

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What is certain is that Scotland and Salmond in particular will not let Westminister dictate as they have often done and continue to do so to this day.

Equally certain is that the UK government will not let Salmond, or his successors, dictate to them.

Though he and you obviously believe that they will.

BTW, the UK is a democracy, not a dictatorship; otherwise you would not be having this referendum.

No one in the yes camp expects Salmond to dictate anything. We expect a tough negotiation, we expect to get our way on some issues, and not on others.

That sounds fair enough to me.

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Every Scottish resident that has paid into the UK NIC system is entitled to the benefits accrued. That includes the no voters. That includes the English born residents. Even those from Sussex.

At the moment; yes.

While Scotland remains in the UK; yes.

But if Scotland leaves the UK; no.

You want it all; independence from the UK but retain the benefits of being part of the UK!

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What is certain is that Scotland and Salmond in particular will not let Westminister dictate as they have often done and continue to do so to this day.

Equally certain is that the UK government will not let Salmond, or his successors, dictate to them.

Though he and you obviously believe that they will.

BTW, the UK is a democracy, not a dictatorship; otherwise you would not be having this referendum.

Ask nontebury he feels that salmond has dictated the whole thing

no one on the yes side has that feeling we are much more humble,,something you havent learned from being around Buddhist

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Every Scottish resident that has paid into the UK NIC system is entitled to the benefits accrued. That includes the no voters. That includes the English born residents. Even those from Sussex.

At the moment; yes.

While Scotland remains in the UK; yes.

But if Scotland leaves the UK; no.

You want it all; independence from the UK but retain the benefits of being part of the UK!

Well we dont want trident are you going to move it in 2016....no so who wants all the benefits...How much tripe can one read in the English newspapers...try to at least be a bit original

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What is certain is that Scotland and Salmond in particular will not let Westminister dictate as they have often done and continue to do so to this day.

Equally certain is that the UK government will not let Salmond, or his successors, dictate to them.

Though he and you obviously believe that they will.

BTW, the UK is a democracy, not a dictatorship; otherwise you would not be having this referendum.

No one in the yes camp expects Salmond to dictate anything. We expect a tough negotiation, we expect to get our way on some issues, and not on others.

That sounds fair enough to me.

Based on his many public pronouncements, Salmond seems to think very differently!

You may get your way on NHS treatment in the UK; for an agreed fixed, transitional period.

But if you do, it will be a concession by the UK government.

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7x7 - There is no mechanism in place to deny Scottish residents that have paid into the NHS access to the NHS.

Your line about general taxation is a red herring - you know what the contract and obligation of NIC is. I believe at this moment in time you are kicking yourself in the realization that I'm right. It would be better that you admitted that the UK government will either have to honour the current agreement - or provide a lump sum to fund their obligation. There is no chance whatsoever of the UK government providing a lump sum, so they will have to grant access to the NHS for Scottish resident NI contributants.

Sometimes in life you have to put your hand up and admit that what you think should happen, and what will happen, are two totally different things.

No one pays into the NHS per se.

Scottish residents are the same as residents in all other parts of the UK. They pay taxes and NICs, if obliged to, part of which goes to fund the NHS.

NHS treatment is available to all UK residents, regardless of how much, or little, they may have paid in taxes and NICs.

An independent Scotland will not be part of the UK. Therefore residents in an independent Scotland will not be UK residents.

There is no logical nor fair reason why residents of an independent Scotland should be treated (no pun intended) in this or any other regard any differently to all other non UK residents. Including non UK residents who are British citizens.

But, of course, Yes supporters demand that they are given special treatment (again, no pun intended) in this and many other areas. Simply because you want independence for Scotland, yet want to retain all the rights and benefits of being part of the UK where that is to your advantage.

Sophistry - and this has nothing to do with yes voters.

Every Scottish resident that has paid into the UK NIC system is entitled to the benefits accrued. That includes the no voters. That includes the English born residents. Even those from Sussex.

I would imagine a line will be drawn under past NI payments. Scotland would inherit the hospitals, clinics, surgeries, dentists, equipment, staff, etc that is domiciled there and will have to fund it itself from then on. Likely an agreement will be made for cross charging (under E111? perhaps) for Scots in the UK and vice versa. I would suggest it will be a minor thing all in all compared to other considerations.

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remind us again recycle news if you like,,why the Uk would be better if Scotland remained...You can follow that on by informing us why The Uk would be better if Scotland did not remain

Think you might hedge that question...please do inform

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What is certain is that Scotland and Salmond in particular will not let Westminister dictate as they have often done and continue to do so to this day.

Equally certain is that the UK government will not let Salmond, or his successors, dictate to them.

Though he and you obviously believe that they will.

BTW, the UK is a democracy, not a dictatorship; otherwise you would not be having this referendum.

No one in the yes camp expects Salmond to dictate anything. We expect a tough negotiation, we expect to get our way on some issues, and not on others.

That sounds fair enough to me.

Based on his many public pronouncements, Salmond seems to think very differently!

You may get your way on NHS treatment in the UK; for an agreed fixed, transitional period.

But if you do, it will be a concession by the UK government.

Not by concession - by agreement.

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