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... there is absolutely no legal obligation on Ireland to make any law because the UK has one.

There may be no obligation, but there is the ever-present threat of the Common Travel Area being abolished. If the Irish Republic legalised heroin, one would promptly find a significant customs presence along the border. Similarly, too discordant a policy on the presence of foreigners would result in the Republic being excluded from the Common Travel Area.

Similarly, if an independent Scotland chose to use or shadow the British pound, it could not have an independent fiscal policy. Actually, the argument that Britain's fiscal policy should not be tied to that of France and Germany also applies within the UK - I'm surprised Scotland wouldn't benefit from having its own fiscal policy. Possibly the effective counter-arguments are the fear of unsafe pairs of hands and the costs of foreign exchange.

But you said "I am assuming much of Eire legislation has to shadow the UK".

I think you're wrong. But now it seems that you do, too. What they do for convenience has nothing to do with legal obligation.

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By the way, Kate Moss at the Brit Awards appealed to the Scots to "Stay with us".

I bet that's driven a few hundred thousand into the arms of the secessionists.

I am not sure on Eire legislation but one thing for sure where it is not harmonized, it does cause big issues, just take the abortion laws of Eire as one instance.

Another issue will be the postal service, international post costs more and takes longer, as postal deliveries are more rural in Scotland the cost to deliver letters and parcels is disproportional to that of the UK and internet service to remote homesteads just does not exist.

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... there is absolutely no legal obligation on Ireland to make any law because the UK has one.

There may be no obligation, but there is the ever-present threat of the Common Travel Area being abolished. If the Irish Republic legalised heroin, one would promptly find a significant customs presence along the border. Similarly, too discordant a policy on the presence of foreigners would result in the Republic being excluded from the Common Travel Area.

Similarly, if an independent Scotland chose to use or shadow the British pound, it could not have an independent fiscal policy. Actually, the argument that Britain's fiscal policy should not be tied to that of France and Germany also applies within the UK - I'm surprised Scotland wouldn't benefit from having its own fiscal policy. Possibly the effective counter-arguments are the fear of unsafe pairs of hands and the costs of foreign exchange.

But you said "I am assuming much of Eire legislation has to shadow the UK".

I think you're wrong. But now it seems that you do, too. What they do for convenience has nothing to do with legal obligation.

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By the way, Kate Moss at the Brit Awards appealed to the Scots to "Stay with us".

I bet that's driven a few hundred thousand into the arms of the secessionists.

I am not sure on Eire legislation but one thing for sure where it is not harmonized, it does cause big issues, just take the abortion laws of Eire as one instance.

Another issue will be the postal service, international post costs more and takes longer, as postal deliveries are more rural in Scotland the cost to deliver letters and parcels is disproportional to that of the UK and internet service to remote homesteads just does not exist.

It's all by choice my son.

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As my grandfather was Scottish I do hope I will be able to apply for Scottish Nationality...whistling.gif

If they follow the route Jack Charlton took when he was the Ireland manager, all you'll need to qualify as Scottish is step foot over the border and drink a pint of Belhaven 80/-!

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As my grandfather was Scottish I do hope I will be able to apply for Scottish Nationality...whistling.gif

If they follow the route Jack Charlton took when he was the Ireland manager, all you'll need to qualify as Scottish is step foot over the border and drink a pint of Belhaven 80/-!

I do hope so... rolleyes.gif

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Can we English people have a referendum to vote on if we want Scotland to remain in the United Kingdom? It seems to be all one way traffic. All these people getting referendums. English people never get referendums for anything.

Silly boy, English people need no such thing as referendum. Not for anything.

Because they are United! tongue.png

On a more serious note, not being English, British or a Scott, I really do not see much advantages in this latest tendency to go independent or bust.

I may be wrong but somehow it never happens. And to me an independent Scotland makes as much sense as independent Kosovo, or independent Palestine or independent South Sudan, or ... the list goes on. Culturally and politically they may be different but Economically all these are not viable.

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I've always thought that the Scots were justified in requesting a vote on this issue, as Salmonds and the SNP have always stated the original agreement to create the Act of Union in 1706 was not taken by the majority of the Scottish people, only by a small number, mostly the rich and landed.

So what will happen if there is a NO vote, will the SNP accept the democratic wish of the Scottish people. Well, not according to Alex Salmonds the leader of the nationalist, he has already gone on record as saying they will make another attempt in a few years time. So again we will be left in limbo. In the meantime the rest of the UK, who have never had the opportunity to vote on this issue ( and this includes the English people in 1706 ) will just have to accept the union, even though, according to numerous opinion post carried out in England and Scotland, a larger percent of the English, as opposed to the Scots, would favour separation.

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I've always thought that the Scots were justified in requesting a vote on this issue, as Salmonds and the SNP have always stated the original agreement to create the Act of Union in 1706 was not taken by the majority of the Scottish people, only by a small number, mostly the rich and landed.

So what will happen if there is a NO vote, will the SNP accept the democratic wish of the Scottish people. Well, not according to Alex Salmonds the leader of the nationalist, he has already gone on record as saying they will make another attempt in a few years time. So again we will be left in limbo. In the meantime the rest of the UK, who have never had the opportunity to vote on this issue ( and this includes the English people in 1706 ) will just have to accept the union, even though, according to numerous opinion post carried out in England and Scotland, a larger percent of the English, as opposed to the Scots, would favour separation.

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As I said before, Alex Salmond is leading a single issue party... and has no plan "B".

He has nailed his colours to the mast of a sinking ship, probably even super glued his feet to the deck, he will go down with his ship.

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I've always thought that the Scots were justified in requesting a vote on this issue, as Salmonds and the SNP have always stated the original agreement to create the Act of Union in 1706 was not taken by the majority of the Scottish people, only by a small number, mostly the rich and landed.

So what will happen if there is a NO vote, will the SNP accept the democratic wish of the Scottish people. Well, not according to Alex Salmonds the leader of the nationalist, he has already gone on record as saying they will make another attempt in a few years time. So again we will be left in limbo. In the meantime the rest of the UK, who have never had the opportunity to vote on this issue ( and this includes the English people in 1706 ) will just have to accept the union, even though, according to numerous opinion post carried out in England and Scotland, a larger percent of the English, as opposed to the Scots, would favour separation.

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25 years' time. It was agreed that in the case of a No vote, the issue would be dropped for 25 years.

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I've always thought that the Scots were justified in requesting a vote on this issue, as Salmonds and the SNP have always stated the original agreement to create the Act of Union in 1706 was not taken by the majority of the Scottish people, only by a small number, mostly the rich and landed.

So what will happen if there is a NO vote, will the SNP accept the democratic wish of the Scottish people. Well, not according to Alex Salmonds the leader of the nationalist, he has already gone on record as saying they will make another attempt in a few years time. So again we will be left in limbo. In the meantime the rest of the UK, who have never had the opportunity to vote on this issue ( and this includes the English people in 1706 ) will just have to accept the union, even though, according to numerous opinion post carried out in England and Scotland, a larger percent of the English, as opposed to the Scots, would favour separation.

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25 years' time. It was agreed that in the case of a No vote, the issue would be dropped for 25 years.

Sorry! You are wrong, the issue of separation will not be dropped, what they will demand is another referendum in 25 yrs, even though the Scottish people as a whole will have made their decision in 2014. They will still keep harping on about the subject, in other words they have no intention of accepting the decision of the Scottish electorate. What is a fact, is that they will achieve more division amongst the Scottish people. So much for narrow minded Scottish Nationalism.

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There is nothing to stop the Scots voting Salmond and the SNP out, is there?

This is a special referendum, not the same as a normal election, were the electorate can go back to the polling station in 4/5 yrs and basically change their mind. I cannot imagine the rest of the UK Agreeing to accept them back, once the Scots realise that the grass is no greener in a separate country.

In the event of a yes vote, I'm sure those Scots who vote NO will accept the democratic wish of the electorate, unfortunately if the vote goes against the SNP they will not.

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