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Exactly; and there is no reason why they should be treated any differently.

That is what I have been trying to get through to others all along!

Edited to remove mixed up quotes.

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OK -- we've done oil/gas, pensions, Healthcare -- any more unanswerd questions ?

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OK -- we've done oil/gas, pensions, Healthcare -- any more unanswerd questions ?

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Patsszero,

But his, jpinx, answer was incorrect.

A British resident cannot travel to Germany to receive free medical treatment under the German healthcare system.

A German resident cannot travel to the UK to receive free treatment under the NHS.

Any resident of an EU country needs to obtain an EHIC card to receive free, or reduced cost, medical treatment in another EU state; and these do not cover trips specifically to receive treatment.

Don't believe me?

Google is your friend; Wiganetc. certainly relies on it.

As for taxes and NICs paid in the past to the UK government covering benefits in a future independent Scotland; those contributions covered the costs of running the Scottish NHS while Scotland was part of the UK. If Scotland does become independent then Scottish residents will no longer pay their taxes and NICs to the UK government. Why should the UK taxpayer continue to fund medical treatment for residents of an independent country?

I can see no reason, and no one here has yet provided one.

Edited to show which post I am replying to.

You are wrong. I am now starting to understand your mentality in this matter. Let me address the point for the last time as I feel I'm talking to a brick wall.

The UK government contracted with each citizen that they would receive a full state pension in return for thirty years of NIC.

Full stop.

The fact that the UK government has paid the pension obligation from the current year tax take is nothing to do with the individual that has paid their NIC.

Full stop.

The UK government has a legal obligation to fund Scottish resident pensioners.

Full stop.

This obligation will not end with a yes vote.

Full stop.

Not a singular UK government minister has indicated that it would.

Full stop.

That's because they know they would lose any legal challenge.

Full stop.

.......................................................................................................................................

We are discussing the future rights, or otherwise, of UK NHS treatment for residents of an independent Scotland.

Why do you constantly bring up pensions; especially as it confuses the poor lad from Wigan?

The arrangements for the continuation/transfer of state pension payments should Scotland become independent is obviously a complex matter, and some equitable arrangement will need to be made after negotiations.

I have never denied that, and I cannot understand why you keep implying that I have.

I've answered your point twice.

I am using the pension analogy as it's a clear analogy.

I have stated that current NIC contributants from 1947 forward have a call on UK assets

I have stated that the school leaver of 2016 does not.

I accept this line from you fully -

"The arrangements for the continuation/transfer of state pension payments should Scotland become independent is obviously a complex matter, and some equitable arrangement will need to be made after negotiations."

It appears to be the case that you are now accepting that the UK government has an ongoing obligation. Good, lets not continue arguing that point.

Lets roll 100 years into the future. All current UK NI contributants are dead.

Scotland is independent. By this point the UK obligation will have expired, and Scotland will have to stand on it's own two feet. That's fine - that's what we are fighting for.

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OK, that stuff is getting a bit long in the tooth now............rolleyes.gif

I have read that the Islands where the oil is have their own governing agenda thoughts, as they think the present Scots gov put them on the back burner........whistling.gif

What do you Independence guys think about that. Please don't post you will fix up a McD's on their Islands, or free Boots vouchers.............coffee1.gif

The topic is "Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes"

Nothing to do with some islands independence -- start a new topic (if you dare ) :)

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A Great Ormond Street spokeswoman said there was very little risk that independence would impede Scottish patients going there. The hospital was used routinely by patients across Europe and across the world because it had very highly specialised expertise, often not available abroad.


"Some of our specialist treatments are only available here, so we're probably quite different from a lot of standard NHS hospitals, so we do have arrangements with a lot of countries because they don't have the same level of specialist care that we can offer patients."


In a statement, the hospital said: "Great Ormond Street hospital was not consulted about this advertising, and we in no way endorse its messages, or that of any other political campaign group.


"We have contacted the Vote No Borders group to request that the advert is removed from cinemas as soon as possible."


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Patsszero,

But his, jpinx, answer was incorrect.

A British resident cannot travel to Germany to receive free medical treatment under the German healthcare system.

A German resident cannot travel to the UK to receive free treatment under the NHS.

Any resident of an EU country needs to obtain an EHIC card to receive free, or reduced cost, medical treatment in another EU state; and these do not cover trips specifically to receive treatment.

Don't believe me?

Google is your friend; Wiganetc. certainly relies on it.

As for taxes and NICs paid in the past to the UK government covering benefits in a future independent Scotland; those contributions covered the costs of running the Scottish NHS while Scotland was part of the UK. If Scotland does become independent then Scottish residents will no longer pay their taxes and NICs to the UK government. Why should the UK taxpayer continue to fund medical treatment for residents of an independent country?

I can see no reason, and no one here has yet provided one.

Edited to show which post I am replying to.

You are wrong. I am now starting to understand your mentality in this matter. Let me address the point for the last time as I feel I'm talking to a brick wall.

The UK government contracted with each citizen that they would receive a full state pension in return for thirty years of NIC.

Full stop.

The fact that the UK government has paid the pension obligation from the current year tax take is nothing to do with the individual that has paid their NIC.

Full stop.

The UK government has a legal obligation to fund Scottish resident pensioners.

Full stop.

This obligation will not end with a yes vote.

Full stop.

Not a singular UK government minister has indicated that it would.

Full stop.

That's because they know they would lose any legal challenge.

Full stop.

.......................................................................................................................................

We are discussing the future rights, or otherwise, of UK NHS treatment for residents of an independent Scotland.

Why do you constantly bring up pensions; especially as it confuses the poor lad from Wigan?

The arrangements for the continuation/transfer of state pension payments should Scotland become independent is obviously a complex matter, and some equitable arrangement will need to be made after negotiations.

I have never denied that, and I cannot understand why you keep implying that I have.

I've answered your point twice.

I am using the pension analogy as it's a clear analogy.

I have stated that current NIC contributants from 1947 forward have a call on UK assets

I have stated that the school leaver of 2016 does not.

I accept this line from you fully -

"The arrangements for the continuation/transfer of state pension payments should Scotland become independent is obviously a complex matter, and some equitable arrangement will need to be made after negotiations."

It appears to be the case that you are now accepting that the UK government has an ongoing obligation. Good, lets not continue arguing that point.

Lets roll 100 years into the future. All current UK NI contributants are dead.

Scotland is independent. By this point the UK obligation will have expired, and Scotland will have to stand on it's own two feet. That's fine - that's what we are fighting for.

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Again the original question which the sussex man failed to answer

Is there a UKNHS?

Will treatment for Scots be different if the vote is no or yes?

very different to what he later went onto pensions and NIC

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Again the original question which the sussex man failed to answer

Is there a UKNHS?

Will treatment for Scots be different if the vote is no or yes?

very different to what he later went onto pensions and NIC

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Patsszero,

But his, jpinx, answer was incorrect.

A British resident cannot travel to Germany to receive free medical treatment under the German healthcare system.

A German resident cannot travel to the UK to receive free treatment under the NHS.

Any resident of an EU country needs to obtain an EHIC card to receive free, or reduced cost, medical treatment in another EU state; and these do not cover trips specifically to receive treatment.

Don't believe me?

Google is your friend; Wiganetc. certainly relies on it.

As for taxes and NICs paid in the past to the UK government covering benefits in a future independent Scotland; those contributions covered the costs of running the Scottish NHS while Scotland was part of the UK. If Scotland does become independent then Scottish residents will no longer pay their taxes and NICs to the UK government. Why should the UK taxpayer continue to fund medical treatment for residents of an independent country?

I can see no reason, and no one here has yet provided one.

Edited to show which post I am replying to.

You are wrong. I am now starting to understand your mentality in this matter. Let me address the point for the last time as I feel I'm talking to a brick wall.

The UK government contracted with each citizen that they would receive a full state pension in return for thirty years of NIC.

Full stop.

The fact that the UK government has paid the pension obligation from the current year tax take is nothing to do with the individual that has paid their NIC.

Full stop.

The UK government has a legal obligation to fund Scottish resident pensioners.

Full stop.

This obligation will not end with a yes vote.

Full stop.

Not a singular UK government minister has indicated that it would.

Full stop.

That's because they know they would lose any legal challenge.

Full stop.

.......................................................................................................................................

We are discussing the future rights, or otherwise, of UK NHS treatment for residents of an independent Scotland.

Why do you constantly bring up pensions; especially as it confuses the poor lad from Wigan?

The arrangements for the continuation/transfer of state pension payments should Scotland become independent is obviously a complex matter, and some equitable arrangement will need to be made after negotiations.

I have never denied that, and I cannot understand why you keep implying that I have.

I've answered your point twice.

I am using the pension analogy as it's a clear analogy.

I have stated that current NIC contributants from 1947 forward have a call on UK assets

I have stated that the school leaver of 2016 does not.

I accept this line from you fully -

"The arrangements for the continuation/transfer of state pension payments should Scotland become independent is obviously a complex matter, and some equitable arrangement will need to be made after negotiations."

It appears to be the case that you are now accepting that the UK government has an ongoing obligation. Good, lets not continue arguing that point.

Lets roll 100 years into the future. All current UK NI contributants are dead.

Scotland is independent. By this point the UK obligation will have expired, and Scotland will have to stand on it's own two feet. That's fine - that's what we are fighting for.

The Scots future...............whistling.gif

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^^ that's called trolling.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, sometimes a picture speaks louder than words................thumbsup.gif

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