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We only have to look across the Irish Sea to see the problems caused by nationalists who wont accept the will of the majority!

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We only have to look across the Irish Sea to see the problems caused by nationalists who wont accept the will of the majority!

Is it a question of a simple majority? That sounds dumb. Now that Salmond has stirred up the passions he will have a lot to answer for if he doesn't win. It's Scotch immigrants to Ireland who caused all the problem in Ulster so we know what they are capable of.

Salmond is a scoundrel, Westminster is not enough for him, he wants to be the head of a dog rather than the tail of a lion and this is the only way he can achieve it.

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We only have to look across the Irish Sea to see the problems caused by nationalists who wont accept the will of the majority!

Is it a question of a simple majority? That sounds dumb. Now that Salmond has stirred up the passions he will have a lot to answer for if he doesn't win. It's Scotch immigrants to Ireland who caused all the problem in Ulster so we know what they are capable of.

Salmond is a scoundrel, Westminster is not enough for him, he wants to be the head of a dog rather than the tail of a lion and this is the only way he can achieve it.

A good point on the majority, I presume it will be how the votes are counted so it could theoretically be decided by on vote.

I would be more happier to see a requirement of 67% for such a monumental change, as you put it it will not be easy for them to turn round in few years and say they made a big mistake, can we rejoin?

Probably the same for the EU referendum also, it is not that I see this as making it more difficult for change, but more it should be an decisive wish of the people, likewise I would have been more happy to see the same rules applied when we joined the EU.

Just looking at the figures it was only 67.2% yes vote for entry. but then only 64.5% of those entitled to vote voted.

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As I mentioned earlier, the last time we voted on devolution, there was a requirement of 40% of the electorate in favour.

For major decisions such as this, that does not seem an unreasonable constraint on the democratic process. If I was a democratic pedant, I would ask for >50% of the electorate.

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So what happens to all of us Scots who hold British Passports if Scotland votes for independence? What happens to our Children's nationality rights for those born here in Thailand? I for one think the Union is the way ahead. Too many Scots have watched too many movies and are still bearing either a 700 year old or a 300 year old grudge. Whatever happened in the past, it is what it is now and Scotland does very well out of the Union. Where should the English grudges start, Italy, Denmark, Norway, Germany, France? It's all water under the bridge. Independence....Big mistake.

Even more modern history shows that only a few years grudges can be buried and forgot, take Germany for instance...

As for the Passport issue Scotland will have to issue their own, but first they will need to decide who is Scottish, their will be a lot more duel nationals.

As my grandfather was Scottish I do hope I will be able to apply for Scottish Nationality...whistling.gif

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/29/british-scottish-passport-scotland-independence

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I've always thought that the Scots were justified in requesting a vote on this issue, as Salmonds and the SNP have always stated the original agreement to create the Act of Union in 1706 was not taken by the majority of the Scottish people, only by a small number, mostly the rich and landed.

So what will happen if there is a NO vote, will the SNP accept the democratic wish of the Scottish people. Well, not according to Alex Salmonds the leader of the nationalist, he has already gone on record as saying they will make another attempt in a few years time. So again we will be left in limbo. In the meantime the rest of the UK, who have never had the opportunity to vote on this issue ( and this includes the English people in 1706 ) will just have to accept the union, even though, according to numerous opinion post carried out in England and Scotland, a larger percent of the English, as opposed to the Scots, would favour separation.

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25 years' time. It was agreed that in the case of a No vote, the issue would be dropped for 25 years.
Sorry! You are wrong, the issue of separation will not be dropped, what they will demand is another referendum in 25 yrs, even though the Scottish people as a whole will have made their decision in 2014. They will still keep harping on about the subject, in other words they have no intention of accepting the decision of the Scottish electorate. What is a fact, is that they will achieve more division amongst the Scottish people. So much for narrow minded Scottish Nationalism.

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But surely if he wants to harp on about it that's his democratic prerogative . Whether he continually fails or succeeds is another matter.

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Another factor, I am assuming much of Eire legislation has to shadow the UK, not the other way around so the Scots will also have consider what is happening south of the boarder and act accordingly particularly if they want an open boarder, not exactly the Independence they want.

For an open boarder they would have to apply to join but I see it being in the rest of the UK's interest that they are allowed to do so anyway and be part of the UK & Eire free travel arrangement.

Another issue is if Scotland was outside the EU those using specialized hi tech equipment, would not be able to expect a service engineer to turn up in few hours with a fully equipped service van from south of the boarder, as there will be such issues as "Customs Duty" and possibly even work permits to sort out.

In the event of independence I'm sure that pragmatic bilateral arrangements will come into place. Just look at the way Irish citizens are still given special privileges over other EU citizens. They're even still allowed to join the British military.

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I pray for independence. I really can't see why anyone wouldn't want it

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I pray for independence. I really can't see why anyone wouldn't want it

 

I suppose it depends on how balkanised you want your country to be.

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I pray for independence. I really can't see why anyone wouldn't want it

 

I suppose it depends on how balkanised you want your country to be.

Not sure what you mean, how would Independent Scotland be balkanised?

The following is worth a look.

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I pray for independence. I really can't see why anyone wouldn't want it

 

I suppose it depends on how balkanised you want your country to be.

Not sure what you mean, how would Independent Scotland be balkanised?

The following is worth a look.

Redrawing boundaries can have all sorts of unintended consequences. Setting a precedent can come back to bite you on the proverbial.

The link below highlights how the Orkneys and Shetland are geographically and ethnically/culturally remote from the Glasgow/Edinburgh corridor, and any move to greater autonomy or even independence by the Orkneys/Shetland islands, would have dire economic consequences for an independent Scotland.

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21596525-scotlands-independence-referendum-more-booty-canny-folk-shetland-and-orkney

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The SNP's Nicola Sturgeon: "Using the Olympic stadium on the day the Winter Olympics begin and seeking to invoke the successes of London 2012 as an argument against Scotland taking its future into its own hands, it betrays the extent of the jitters now running through the No campaign.

They see the polls closing and they are clearly rattled – but to politicise any sporting occasion is shameful."

Which it has been pointed out is just a smidgin on the hypocritical side if you cast your mind back to Wimbledon.....

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We only have to look across the Irish Sea to see the problems caused by nationalists who wont accept the will of the majority!

Doesn't count for much when you aren't allowed to vote.

http://campaignforcivilrights.org/northernirelandarticles.php?id=158

Northern Ireland operated a voting system for local government that retained the company vote andratepayer suffrage. Therefore, any person who did not own a home or pay rates was not entitled to vote in local council elections. This had the effect of disenfranchising over one-quarter of the population, most of whom were Catholic. Alternatively, a business owner, most of whom were Protestant, was entitled to more than one vote. The predictable outcome of this state of affairs was that most local councils remained under Unionist control.

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