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Very good speech by Tommy Sheridon. Not terribly original; Jesus said it so did many before him and many since, I fear he is going to be a very disappointed man after a few years of Scotish independence.

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I think they want to know if they will still get their free handouts from the Palace of Westminster before they commit to it.

And the EU which they would no longer be a member of, also loosing the military contracts for ship building as the British government has said it would no longer give the ship yards work to a foreign country. As an Englishman hope Salmond gets his way, as do the majority of English people polled, who ironically are more in favour than the Scots.

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Wish the bloody vote today and get it over with. The we can build that old Hadrian's wall back up and keep the pits away. Tired of them complaining year after year.

Next year they can trade their Scottish Rubles in Thailand. cheesy.gif

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I think they want to know if they will still get their free handouts from the Palace of Westminster before they commit to it.

And the EU which they would no longer be a member of, also loosing the military contracts for ship building as the British government has said it would no longer give the ship yards work to a foreign country. As an Englishman hope Salmond gets his way, as do the majority of English people polled, who ironically are more in favour than the Scots.

While not a fan of David Cameron, I just wonder if we've underestimated him, he's agreed to all of Salmons tantrums, agreeing to hold the elections right after the commonwealth games, giving children of 16yrs, who are more susceptible to believing Mel Gibson, the vote. Maybe he also wants rid of the Scots, as he knows that a UK less Scotland, would guarantee the Conservatives continuous rule in Westminster, that"s of course if he's forgotten about UKIP.

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I think they want to know if they will still get their free handouts from the Palace of Westminster before they commit to it.

And the EU which they would no longer be a member of, also loosing the military contracts for ship building as the British government has said it would no longer give the ship yards work to a foreign country. As an Englishman hope Salmond gets his way, as do the majority of English people polled, who ironically are more in favour than the Scots.

While not a fan of David Cameron, I just wonder if we've underestimated him, he's agreed to all of Salmons tantrums, agreeing to hold the elections right after the commonwealth games, giving children of 16yrs, who are more susceptible to believing Mel Gibson, the vote. Maybe he also wants rid of the Scots, as he knows that a UK less Scotland, would guarantee the Conservatives continuous rule in Westminster, that"s of course if he's forgotten about UKIP.

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Not quite so simple.

In the 2010 General Election there were 650 MPs elected, 59 from Scotland (41 Labour, 11 LibDem, 6 SNP, 1 Tory).

If you rerun 2010 without Scotland the Tories would have won a majority of 18 (305 Tory, 217 Lab, 46 LibDem, 23 others). However it is quite likely that a 2010 outcome will not be replicated in 2015, especially with the emergence of UKIP and the likely implosion of the LibDem vote. Scottish independence would not guarantee Tory supremacy in Westminster. To do that you would need to get rid of Wales, N.Ireland and every major urban area north of Watford!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2010UKElectionMap.svg

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And London; which is south of Watford!

Labour has traditionally held the majority of seats in Greater London; currently 38 of the 73 available; the Conservatives hold 28 and the Lib Dems 7.

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Is it that Scotland "feel" they will have an extra pound in the pocket when leaving the fold ?

Ooooop,s sorry , Euro or other. The pound will be out of bounds as it is a Union currency controlled by the Bank of England.

Has King Salmond thought of this.........facepalm.gif

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Than I can visit. Would also be nice if England pulled out of Ireland.

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I think you will find that if the majority of the people of Ulster,democratically decided to leave the UK. Then that is what would happen. As it is the majority ( Protestants and also many Catholics)

continually vote to remain in the UK, this situation may change in the coming years due to the Catholics having a higher birthrate and the Protestants suffering from ethnic cleansing.

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Is it that Scotland "feel" they will have an extra pound in the pocket when leaving the fold ?

Ooooop,s sorry , Euro or other. The pound will be out of bounds as it is a Union currency controlled by the Bank of England.

Has King Salmond thought of this.........facepalm.gif

I would think he probably has and here is some info for you that may explain why Scotland can indeed

keep the pound.

Source,

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/euro-pound-or-scottish-pound/

Euro, Pound Sterling or Scottish Pound?

In the early exchanges on the referendum, the No Campaign made some noise by claiming that Scotland would be forced to adopt the euro and that the UK Government would refuse to let Scotland, as an independent country, use the pound (sterling) as its currency. It remains one of the major questions I am asked when giving talks on the economics of independence but, the plain fact is that neither the EU, the UK Government, or the Bank of England has the ability to affect those outcomes.

No Euro, even if we wanted to

In order to adopt the euro a country needs its currency to be committed to the Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) for two years. Scotland doesn’t have a currency to commit to the ERM, and as Scotland plans to keep the pound, we therefore cannot adopt the euro, even if we wanted to, and so certainly can’t be forced to either.

Alistair Darling has said we would have to reapply to the EU from outside, and that means being forced into the euro – however that is inaccurate and even David Cameron can’t help but say he was wrong.

Not really independent?

It has been argued that Scotland wouldn’t be independent if we kept the pound, however, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium etc have a shared currency and are independent of each other – the list is almost endless. Although Scotland wouldn’t be able to set independent interest rates, all the other more easily utilised fiscal tools would be available to the Scottish Government, and the joint interest rate would also help the English and other home nation economies.

The Scottish Government’s Fiscal Commission Working Group of leading economists, including former White House Chief Economic Adviser Professor Joe Stiglitz, has said that Scotland can agree to currency zone financial parameters the type of which any financially prudent developed nation should have following the lessons of the financial crisis but which do not mean a lack of flexibility to grow the Scottish economy.

Sterling is a fully convertible currency, this means that if any country in the world wants to use sterling it can. Examples of a fully convertible currency being used by other nations include Panama and El Salvador using the US dollar. Using the pound for a period, is a well proven route for countries leaving British rule (New Zealand/Ireland/Australia etc). However Scotland’s right to use sterling is stronger than other countries due to the fact that Scotland owns a population percentage share of the Bank of England (BOE), and so we will just be using a currency and services of a bank that we part-own with the other UK countries. So all that is being proposed is that Scotland will maintain the currency union that we joined hundreds of years ago and still works whilst leaving the political one that doesn’t.

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SNP supporter Sean Connery loves the place so much he used to support them financially. He doesn't want to live there though.

He can't, he's hiding in the Bahamas on the run from the EU for tax evasion and money-laundering.

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Usual rubbish from the SNP.

"We want to be free of all the commitments and obligations the union imposes upon us; but want to keep everything which is to our advantage!"

"We want to be part of the EU, but also want to dictate our terms of membership!"

Are the Scottish people really so stupid that they believe Salmond and his cronies will get away with that?

I doubt it very much.

You are very much entitled to your opinion 7by7 but do you actually have any

facts or info to support your claim of SNP rubbish?, if not then perhaps you would

be well advised to keep your speculative poison to yourself.

Do you think that the Scottish people are really so stupid as to not expect any of their

leaders Alex Salmond or otherwise to negotiate the best possible deal for Scotland

and its' people?

I doubt it very much. thumbsup.gif

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