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Three hundred thousand lost tourists already?

Borrocks!

So how many have not come already? If you know the number is wrong surly you must know the correct number. The correct number is?

Well the warnings have been out for two or three days, not long enough to enable most tourists to change their plans, and Thailand expects around 2 million a month.

So you reckon 300000 cancellations is accurate?

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Three hundred thousand lost tourists already?

Borrocks!

So how many have not come already? If you know the number is wrong surly you must know the correct number. The correct number is?

Well the warnings have been out for two or three days, not long enough to enable most tourists to change their plans, and Thailand expects around 2 million a month.

So you reckon 300000 cancellations is accurate?

I would say it was more than 200,000 and less than 500,000. Whatever thousands of poor Thai families will go out of business because of it causing them to send their daughters to Pattaya and try and find a Chinese husband or Japanese sugar daddy.

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Oh good lord. Based on the mentality of these replies is there any wonder Tha politics is such a disaster?

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Protests cause number of foreign tourists to drop by 300,000: permanent secretary
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- On-going protests have caused the number of foreign tourist to drop by 300,000 so far, the permanent secretary for Tourism and Sports said Wednesday.

Suwat Sitthilor, the permanent secretary, said the drop of foreign tourists had caused the country to lose about Bt16 billion in what it should have received from the foreign tourists.

The damage would be higher if the protests continued until the end of next month, Suwat said.

But, But, But, They said there was no drop in tourism numbers, no hotel cancellations, and no loss of income!!!!!

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Rather than join in the bickering like big kids about the actual number of stay aways I query the reason given for the shortfall in Thai expectations. Who decides why people have changed their mind? Perhaps a large number have been advised that Thailand is not overly safe and that scamming is a national pastime. Putting the entire blame on those who are thoroughly teed off with the current maladministration smacks of opportunistic political BS.

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I just realised that I'm not sure if the Thais use the US or UK standard in defining a billion. Is it 109 or 1012 ??

Anyway, dividing the 16 billion baht into the 300,000 lost tourists, it works out to be circa 53,000 baht per tourist on the US scale, or 5.3M Baht on the UK scale. It's a pretty good guess they use the US scale on that basis.

So the government is assuming that each tourist spends 53k Baht on their visit here on average. I guess that seems about right for a 10 day holiday.

So much for the two week millionaires - they're obviously overstating their financial position!! blink.png.pagespeed.ce.AQgCnSOpp_.png width=20 alt=blink.png>

I made same calculations as you sir.

its 53k baht does not matter where you come from .. uk billion is same as usa , has been since mid seventies 555

I think its a seriously low estimation as far as the spending goes.. (if indeed the 300 000 is anywhere near correct).

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Rather than join in the bickering like big kids about the actual number of stay aways I query the reason given for the shortfall in Thai expectations. Who decides why people have changed their mind? Perhaps a large number have been advised that Thailand is not overly safe and that scamming is a national pastime. Putting the entire blame on those who are thoroughly teed off with the current maladministration smacks of opportunistic political BS.

Of course it is but that's what politicians do.

The first time the blame can be laid squarely at the opposition's door and the first time tourist numbers suffer. Hardly a coincidence. smile.png

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If the thai protestors are able to understand what they are doing now hurt their country's economy and many many many fellow countrymen's livelihood.

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To Monkey. Sorry I didn't notice. My posts was directed and I quoted bigbamboo. I have no desire to engage you in a logic argument. If you know the Thai numbers are wrong post the right ones. If not I don't see the purpose of a discussion with you.

I would not discuss logic if I was you either :-)

Anyway, the right numbers are 800 tourists, causing an estimated loss of 3 million baht. My source is the same as the one referred to by khun Suwat Sitthilor in the OP. Hope this helps.

Sorry afraid you lied. Suwat did not list a source for his information. Whatever you know you made up. 300,000 may be accurate it may not. There are two points. 1. Whatever it is it is bad for the economy and Thailand. 2. You are not in a position to know more about tourism in Thailand than a minister who has access to arrival and departure information at the airport. What is your reason for trying to diminish the damage to the Thai economy?

They have 300k less arrivals in a weeks duration.

Pattaya must be a ghost town. The resorts must be like ghost towns.

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To Monkey. Sorry I didn't notice. My posts was directed and I quoted bigbamboo. I have no desire to engage you in a logic argument. If you know the Thai numbers are wrong post the right ones. If not I don't see the purpose of a discussion with you.

I would not discuss logic if I was you either :-)

Anyway, the right numbers are 800 tourists, causing an estimated loss of 3 million baht. My source is the same as the one referred to by khun Suwat Sitthilor in the OP. Hope this helps.

Sorry afraid you lied. Suwat did not list a source for his information. Whatever you know you made up. 300,000 may be accurate it may not. There are two points. 1. Whatever it is it is bad for the economy and Thailand. 2. You are not in a position to know more about tourism in Thailand than a minister who has access to arrival and departure information at the airport. What is your reason for trying to diminish the damage to the Thai economy?

They have 300k less arrivals in a weeks duration.

Pattaya must be a ghost town. The resorts must be like ghost towns.

2012 average 423,076 per week unweighted average more in high season. So that still leaves about 100,000 arrived in Pattaya.

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Three hundred thousand lost tourists already?

Borrocks!

So how many have not come already? If you know the number is wrong surly you must know the correct number. The correct number is?

The correct number is there are 87 more tourists this year when TAT compared this year with this time last year. Don't ask me how i know I just do - trust me!!

See the problem thailiketoo.

You can't and shouldn't believe everything you hear.

Especially when the truth (of maybe <10'000 cancellations). has been sandpapered into a lie (of >300'000 cancellations).

Let me ask you this question. What evidence is there that the protests have caused the alleged drop. Perhaps it's just coincidence? Christmas is coming and perhaps people just don;t have the money? So prove to me the protest caused this alleged drop? Can you?

You can't;anymore than people can disprove the 300'000 number. In situations people rely on common sense and experience to make an informed assessment of the evidence presented.

And clearly the numbers are complete propaganda aimed at getting some leverage for the government to respond to the tsunami of disapproval its facing; to give it some solid ground to mount a defense of sorts.

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The correct number is there are 87 more tourists this year when TAT compared this year with this time last year. Don't ask me how i know I just do - trust me!!

See the problem thailiketoo.

You can't and shouldn't believe everything you hear.

Especially when the truth (of maybe <10'000 cancellations). has been sandpapered into a lie (of >300'000 cancellations).

Let me ask you this question. What evidence is there that the protests have caused the alleged drop. Perhaps it's just coincidence? Christmas is coming and perhaps people just don;t have the money? So prove to me the protest caused this alleged drop? Can you?

You can't;anymore than people can disprove the 300'000 number. In situations people rely on common sense and experience to make an informed assessment of the evidence presented.

And clearly the numbers are complete propaganda aimed at getting some leverage for the government to respond to the tsunami of disapproval its facing; to give it some solid ground to mount a defense of sorts.

Look at the airport arrivals. How many? How many countries have travel warnings? Easy to figure if one has access to the airport figures from this year and November 2012.

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Rather than join in the bickering like big kids about the actual number of stay aways I query the reason given for the shortfall in Thai expectations. Who decides why people have changed their mind? Perhaps a large number have been advised that Thailand is not overly safe and that scamming is a national pastime. Putting the entire blame on those who are thoroughly teed off with the current maladministration smacks of opportunistic political BS.

December 8, 1941. I suppose less people vacationed in Hawaii because of bad weather? There are a million people running around in the streets. You don't think this is getting international coverage. Maybe you are an old guy but check out facebook.

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The correct number is there are 87 more tourists this year when TAT compared this year with this time last year. Don't ask me how i know I just do - trust me!!

See the problem thailiketoo.

You can't and shouldn't believe everything you hear.

Especially when the truth (of maybe <10'000 cancellations). has been sandpapered into a lie (of >300'000 cancellations).

Let me ask you this question. What evidence is there that the protests have caused the alleged drop. Perhaps it's just coincidence? Christmas is coming and perhaps people just don;t have the money? So prove to me the protest caused this alleged drop? Can you?

You can't;anymore than people can disprove the 300'000 number. In situations people rely on common sense and experience to make an informed assessment of the evidence presented.

And clearly the numbers are complete propaganda aimed at getting some leverage for the government to respond to the tsunami of disapproval its facing; to give it some solid ground to mount a defense of sorts.

Look at the airport arrivals. How many? How many countries have travel warnings? Easy to figure if one has access to the airport figures from this year and November 2012.

Airport arrival up 22% year on year for November - google it!! I just did.

FYI countries have not advised against traveling to Thailand they have advised tourist to be cautious and not travel to the areas of protest. Not cancel their holidays to Thailand. Oddly the majority of the advisories were issued after the government issued a blanket ISA for Bangkok....hmmmm

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To Monkey. Sorry I didn't notice. My posts was directed and I quoted bigbamboo. I have no desire to engage you in a logic argument. If you know the Thai numbers are wrong post the right ones. If not I don't see the purpose of a discussion with you.

I would not discuss logic if I was you either :-)

Anyway, the right numbers are 800 tourists, causing an estimated loss of 3 million baht. My source is the same as the one referred to by khun Suwat Sitthilor in the OP. Hope this helps.

Sorry afraid you lied. Suwat did not list a source for his information. Whatever you know you made up. 300,000 may be accurate it may not. There are two points. 1. Whatever it is it is bad for the economy and Thailand. 2. You are not in a position to know more about tourism in Thailand than a minister who has access to arrival and departure information at the airport. What is your reason for trying to diminish the damage to the Thai economy?

They have 300k less arrivals in a weeks duration.

Pattaya must be a ghost town. The resorts must be like ghost towns.

2012 average 423,076 per week unweighted average more in high season. So that still leaves about 100,000 arrived in Pattaya.

Nationwide?

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