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Protests cause number of foreign tourists to drop by 300,000: Thailand

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The loss of 300,000 tourists is, "no harm done?"

harm done, but Thai's don't get it - plain and simple.

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To Monkey. Sorry I didn't notice. My posts was directed and I quoted bigbamboo. I have no desire to engage you in a logic argument. If you know the Thai numbers are wrong post the right ones. If not I don't see the purpose of a discussion with you.

I would not discuss logic if I was you either :-)

Anyway, the right numbers are 800 tourists, causing an estimated loss of 3 million baht. My source is the same as the one referred to by khun Suwat Sitthilor in the OP. Hope this helps.

Sorry afraid you lied. Suwat did not list a source for his information. Whatever you know you made up. 300,000 may be accurate it may not. There are two points. 1. Whatever it is it is bad for the economy and Thailand. 2. You are not in a position to know more about tourism in Thailand than a minister who has access to arrival and departure information at the airport. What is your reason for trying to diminish the damage to the Thai economy?

Maybe the point is a little more abstract. Unfortunately the current government has a propensity for lying. This is made worse because they admit to lying and even claim its ethical. There is also a propensity within PTP that different Ministers issue different sets of figures, some of which are in direct contradiction.

This creates the impression that the current government are inept and don't know the real figures, make figures up to suit themselves, lie about figures when they feel lying is in the "best interests" of the people and suppress real figure when they decide too. Given this, of which many examples are easily researched, some people may challenge any figure that is issued from a government controlled source.

Unfortunately, when you are repeatedly caught lying, no one believes you if you are telling the truth.

The current government have caused massive damage to the Thai economy, Thailand's credibility, and left for another 2 years, will do more damage. This is possibly why so many people from so many strata of Thai society are protesting.

Too bad it's not the majority. I'll try and explain. I fought an unjust war because my government told me to go. I almost got killed. Many died. A new President was elected and he stopped the war. Not until 50,000 Americans were killed.

Protest is good. Protest stopped the war in Vietnam and LBJ didn't even run for president again. He was wrong and he left and the people elected a new President after 50,000 were killed. That's the way a democracy works. If you don't like the government you have an election.

If you don't have a majority you bite the bullet and try hard to convince others they are wrong and you are correct.

You are correct if left for two years the current government will do more damage. Closing the airport did a lot of damage and the Vietnam war did a lot of damage. I know.

There is an answer. Elections. Does anyone really think that Yingluck is the first bad politician to arrive on the scene? Does anyone really think that Yingluck is the first politician to lie or harm the economy? 300,000, 200,000, 100,000 whatever it is it's bad.

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Nobody really cares within the anti-democracy protest movement. They want back to the stone age with an absolute monarchy and they have been the country's economy for it for close to a decade. We had airport seizures that virtually kidnapped hundreds of thousands of tourists, killed off the holiday business for exporting companies, we had mass murder orchestrated by Suthep on Bangkok's streets more than once which killed off the tourist industry and the royalists are so cocky to think that they have the knowledge about democracy and what certain people do and that rural people are stupid.

Agreed the old money has done everything possible to keep the rural people stupid and poor. Their education is a mess and it still discourage thinking and it is based on listening to stories about the system, the falsification of history and giving wrong information about the very top people in the country. But that was before the ghost escaped the bottle and before the internet and social media. Now the rural are better informed than the yellow shorts who suddenly behave like drunken Patpong hookers on tv when asked for an interview by the foreign media. Suddenly they are sick of the colours they made up themselves.

The Anti democrat forces will an appointed government. Sure! To protect their self interest. And the slip of the tongue that Suthep made with his request for an absolute monarchy was of course Freudian.

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If the thai protestors are able to understand what they are doing now hurt their country's economy and many many many fellow countrymen's livelihood.

And this dysfunctional and corrupt Government isn't?

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Voice of America. Thai Protesters Press on With Rallies Amid Fears of Violence

Some protest leaders are doing more than criticizing the government. Protest leader and former opposition member of parliament, Suthep Thaugsuban has proposed replacing the current elected government with a non-elected council.

The recent demonstrations have raised fears that Thailand's tumultuous politics have returned, as well as the possibility for more bloodshed.

Chris Baker, an author and analyst on Thai politics, said the protests may be losing direction. But he said that could raise the chances for violence as extremists try to reinvigorate their movement with clashes.

http://www.voanews.c...ce/1798756.html

PS you might want to tell that German reporter there is nothing dangerous going on.

Anti-government protesters target media, attack German reporter (Reporters without Borders)

http://en.rsf.org/th...2013,45511.html

Thaiiliketoo...let me explain it very, very slowly for you: the threat that something may happen in ..a week or a month or a year...does not make any country issue a travel warning, because if that were the case, half the nations on earth would be warned about constantly.

Let me give you some examples from the German Foreign Ministry- warnings are issued for Jemen, Somalia, Haiti, Iran, Afghanistan, Kongo, Palaestina and Japan (specifically for the Fukushima Area).

The travel advisory for Thailand speaks of demonstrations in Bangkok and asks people to avoid the demonstrations. There also is a specific advisory for the far South.

Again: a WARNING is legally binding for Tour Operators. They have to f.e. accept ANY cancellation by ANY client who doesn't want to travel to Thailand and give the money back! With an advisory, this is simply NOT the case!

DO YOU GET IT NOW???

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If the thai protestors are able to understand what they are doing now hurt their country's economy and many many many fellow countrymen's livelihood.

And this dysfunctional and corrupt Government isn't?

Don't know where you are from but have you ever had a dysfunctional and corrupt government? What did your country do about it?

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i guess they will have to ask

1000 or 2500 baht entrenace fee soon to come into thailand

to get back there losses on paper

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Voice of America. Thai Protesters Press on With Rallies Amid Fears of Violence

Some protest leaders are doing more than criticizing the government. Protest leader and former opposition member of parliament, Suthep Thaugsuban has proposed replacing the current elected government with a non-elected council.

The recent demonstrations have raised fears that Thailand's tumultuous politics have returned, as well as the possibility for more bloodshed.

Chris Baker, an author and analyst on Thai politics, said the protests may be losing direction. But he said that could raise the chances for violence as extremists try to reinvigorate their movement with clashes.

http://www.voanews.c...ce/1798756.html

PS you might want to tell that German reporter there is nothing dangerous going on.

Anti-government protesters target media, attack German reporter (Reporters without Borders)

http://en.rsf.org/th...2013,45511.html

Thaiiliketoo...let me explain it very, very slowly for you: the threat that something may happen in ..a week or a month or a year...does not make any country issue a travel warning, because if that were the case, half the nations on earth would be warned about constantly.

Let me give you some examples from the German Foreign Ministry- warnings are issued for Jemen, Somalia, Haiti, Iran, Afghanistan, Kongo, Palaestina and Japan (specifically for the Fukushima Area).

The travel advisory for Thailand speaks of demonstrations in Bangkok and asks people to avoid the demonstrations. There also is a specific advisory for the far South.

Again: a WARNING is legally binding for Tour Operators. They have to f.e. accept ANY cancellation by ANY client who doesn't want to travel to Thailand and give the money back! With an advisory, this is simply NOT the case!

DO YOU GET IT NOW???

You want to argue about the meaning of travel warning that is posted by news sources a number of places on Thai Visa. It's not the point. The point is tourism is crashing. Tomorrow Thailand will stop in a work stoppage. More tourists will not come. That's the subject of the thread (300,000 tourists not coming) and the point I was trying to make. DO YOU GET IT NOW???

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My 78 year old mother is coming for a 2 month visit in January. She has not even hinted at cancelling.

Some people would I guess as some people are nervous Nellies, but nobody that I know would.

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The Thai government is simply not going to issue a self-fulfilling prophecy by saying tourism is way down.....

The Thai government said, "BANGKOK: -- On-going protests have caused the number of foreign tourist to drop by 300,000 so far, the permanent secretary for Tourism and Sports said Wednesday.

That is the topic of this thread, the Thai government saying tourism is down???

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hope it continues to fall every little helps the cause..more bad news by the hour it seems ..well atleast the racist thais will be happy to see less win,win then..

One need not wait long for bigotry to surface.

Humankind is unique in that certain elements of it enjoy inflicting pain on others.

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My 78 year old mother is coming for a 2 month visit in January. She has not even hinted at cancelling.

Some people would I guess as some people are nervous Nellies, but nobody that I know would.

I suggest keeping abreast of developments and best wishes, hoping the trip goes well.

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If the thai protestors are able to understand what they are doing now hurt their country's economy and many many many fellow countrymen's livelihood.

 

And this dysfunctional and corrupt Government isn't?

 

No doubt but at least tourist money is still rolling in. Now that travel warnings are issued in many countries, many people's rice bowls are affected.

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So if they rebook in 3 weeks time this is a gain? So this could be 300k over 6 weeks. Aha. So barely a crisis.

There is a good forum to read about the current crisis called ThaiVisa. Check it out,

Countries issuing Thailand travel warnings now rise to 28

Anti-government rallies in Thailand gain momentum

Anti-government protests spread to Thai provinces

Protesters lay siege to more Thai ministries; some officials express support

UN leader Ban Ki-moon concerned by Thailand protests

The anti government protestors dumped the economy by closing the airport and now they are trying it again.

Think of the governments that have elections and now think of the governments that don't have elections. Which side are you on? Ya I know Stalin and Mao did a wonderful job.

And tat have quantified that 300k have cancelled in 10 days since the protests. Give it another 10 days and phuket will be a ghost town right?

Why would you say that? Did the newspaper say that? Businesses including hotels have a break even number. Hotels have a break even occupancy rate and restaurants have a customer break even number. In other words they need a certain amount of customers to stay in business.

The higher the break evens the more likely they are to fail due to the current crisis.

The last time the yellow shirts tried to dump the economy they cost the average Thai business 280,500,000,000 baht. http://www.voanews.com/content/a-13-2009-01-12-voa11-68822187/413588.html

I am saying that it is extremely improbable that they have 300k confirmed cancellations already. That would be a massive drop.

They get 400k per week and they confirm 300k as cancelled already?,, of course I expect the common strategy of increasing prices to gouge the remaining visitors to kick in soon then. Lol

If 300k cancel all at once, the resorts would be silent.

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