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I love the bland, unsupported assertions like "corruption has got steadily worse since Thaksin...".

It was bad before, it was bad during, it carried on as if nothing had changed during the Dems' period at the helm, it's bad now, and it will be bad for the foreseeable future. Until the voters understand that a deep-rooted culture of nepotism and corruption is at fault - practised by pretty much anyone in a position of power - and not by a few headline-grabbing individuals, nothing will ever change. People are just so naive, and easily manipulated. And not just the Thais, going by the polemics on this forum.

It's worse. Before Thaksin, they resign, dissolve or flee from the corruption charge. When Thaksin come in, they just sat corruption is ok as long as they "work" and the government have the majority so anyone not having majority have no right to take them down. coffee1.gif

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I love the bland, unsupported assertions like "corruption has got steadily worse since Thaksin...".

It was bad before, it was bad during, it carried on as if nothing had changed during the Dems' period at the helm, it's bad now, and it will be bad for the foreseeable future. Until the voters understand that a deep-rooted culture of nepotism and corruption is at fault - practised by pretty much anyone in a position of power - and not by a few headline-grabbing individuals, nothing will ever change. People are just so naive, and easily manipulated. And not just the Thais, going by the polemics on this forum.

Hmmm... PTP apologists on the defensive?

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PTP dont care about Thailand.PERIOD.If they cant have power to use as they want then its the attitude " no other parties are going to rule" Absolute power corrupts absolutely and incompetency is only an addition . its what happens when a single person and his sibling control a party,a political dynasty that will see Thailand fall into a pit that will take decades to climb out of .if ever.

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The Nation blows it yet again by attacking the tip of the ice-berg and ignoring the balance of ice beneath it.

My point being; it is all ice, and no matter what portion appears visible to our senses, it will always be ice, and nothing more. ...has been for over 2500 years and apparently will always be.

Ice is cold and hard and does nothing but sit there and freeze anything and everything near it. Nothing grows. Nothing moves. Nothing changes.

Everyone bitches yet no one offers solutions.

Why? Because there are solutions but everyone ignores them?

No! Because it is all ice, and FACE is the frigid temperature which nurtures ice.

As long as Thai and FACE both equate each other, then the hope of water (nurturing growth and moving forward) or steam (rising to opportunity and seizing it) will remain forever unreachable.

Thais are no less stubborn, ignorant and parasitic than the worldwide, Islamic regime, or even the remora fish. They survive only to perpetuate their existence, and feed off the resources and ingenuity of others around them.

Dispense with dancing around the issue, and say it like it is, Nation!

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I love the bland, unsupported assertions like "corruption has got steadily worse since Thaksin...".

It was bad before, it was bad during, it carried on as if nothing had changed during the Dems' period at the helm, it's bad now, and it will be bad for the foreseeable future. Until the voters understand that a deep-rooted culture of nepotism and corruption is at fault - practised by pretty much anyone in a position of power - and not by a few headline-grabbing individuals, nothing will ever change. People are just so naive, and easily manipulated. And not just the Thais, going by the polemics on this forum.

At least during Mark's time, corruption was steady, and did not worsen.

That's precisely the kind of unsupported claim that I was referring to. And even if there existed some form of incontrovertible evidence to back it up, basically you're saying Abhisit did nothing about the problem.

Mark is clean. He did nothing because he could not stop his MPs from taking as usual.

Thaksin/Yingluck are different. Instead of did nothing like Mark, they joint in the fun and take more that what their MPs are taking, worsen the matter.

All Thai have accepted the fact that corruption cannot be stop. But what the current protesters (Suthep included) cannot stand, is that the PM is in it himself/herself.

Before you say another word, we all have our fair share of slipping 100 Baht to the police for jumping the red light, or riding without helmet. It is widely acceptable in Thai society.

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I doubt anyone in the Thai government or in Thai politics have clean hands. However, the PTP takes corruption to another level. How do you prove anything against Yingluck when the agencies supposedly investigating her are in her brother's pocket?

You want to talk about dumb? Dumb is people voting for the same idiots everytime when they've proven themselves corrupt and incompentant. Gotta love the downtrodden masses.

*Spare* - so we "all do it", but "Mark is clean"? Make your mind up. Firstly, I doubt very much that you have an inside line on what goes on behind the scenes in Abhisit's sphere of influence. And parroting hearsay about Yingluck doesn't help either. Evidence, backed up by reliable sources, is what I would love to see. And that would be a first on TV.

Ok a few details over her asset declaration ref Ad Index Co, but hardly earth-shattering or recent news. If proven, she can be kicked out. I'm all for it. But in the meantime the current puerile shenanigans going on as the power-hungry jockey for position would be quite funny, if it didn't hold the potential for more violence. Suthep is a joke. Oh boy, does he love the sound of his own voice. It amazes me that the Thais get taken in by his sabre-rattling nonsense, but then Nuremberg demonstrated the extent to which people can be dumb.

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You want to talk about dumb? Dumb is people voting for the same idiots everytime when they've proven themselves corrupt and incompentant. Gotta love the downtrodden masses.

Better the devil you know maybe from their point of view, when the alternative is an Old Etonian Oxford graduate from a hi-so family, using his own brand of populist policies to try to make the Dems more attractive to the urban and rural poor that make up the majority of voters.

In that respect the Thais are no more dumb than the voters in any other country.

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In your face corruption has been the norm for many years in Thailand and is now silently accepted as the norm so no one cares anymore unless it directly affects their pocket it will take at least one generation to eradicate corruption from being an acceptable part of governance in Thailand.

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I love the bland, unsupported assertions like "corruption has got steadily worse since Thaksin...".

It was bad before, it was bad during, it carried on as if nothing had changed during the Dems' period at the helm, it's bad now, and it will be bad for the foreseeable future. Until the voters understand that a deep-rooted culture of nepotism and corruption is at fault - practised by pretty much anyone in a position of power - and not by a few headline-grabbing individuals, nothing will ever change. People are just so naive, and easily manipulated. And not just the Thais, going by the polemics on this forum.

Before Thaksin, during and thereafter, corruption ruled all aspects of Thai life.

Thais are gregarious, more so than other countries. They are beholden to what the group thinks of them. Saving face, not losing it rules their actions. That is why they do not like to be seeing not participating in what the group does or decides.

Thais are not evil. They are just self absorbed in their Thainess (read the 12 Mandates from 1938) and are unwilling to change. There is also the subliminal effect of oral tradition in which if a Thai should be in a quandary of supporting a foreigner or a Thai national, Thais should always, no matter what, side with the Thai person. The consequence is the perception that Thais are better than foreigners.

Equally is not part of the Thai cultural DNA. To fight corruption in the country one will have to decide to renounce to it.

What Thai has not given a gift basket to a bureaucrat, manager in a business etc. to get position, advantages? Do you see any drivers willing to go to court and fight trumped up charges by a corrupt policeman? Want to rise in the ranks of the police department? Pay the higher ups! That is Thai social reality from the powers that be to the lowly cop collecting the usual daily bribes. It has not been any different since the Thai-Dai people spread all over the country.

Thais have to grow up and mature in a hurry if they want to be functional and productive members of the upcoming ASEAN community in 2014.

Not that they are looking forward to it. Thais do not know how to be competitive: they abhor being competitive. It will be a welcome news when the future People's Committee announces that Thailand is pulling out of the community because it is unfair to the country. Read: they do not give us the prefferencial treatment we want and deserve because we, Thais, are oh, so special!

...and so it goes...

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I am probably extremely naive.

Corruption happens in all countries, I suppose.

Could some posters, possibly Thai?, actually enumerate/ identify, with evidence, the actual acts of corruption over, say, the last year?

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