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Because the Old Etonian Oxford graduate from a hi-so family hasn't murdered 3000 of his own citizens in a drug war, made BILLIONS for his family thru corruption, escalated the insurgencie in the south, come up with populist policies that have failed and cost the taxpayers BILLIONS among others. As dumb as voters in any other country are, I really don't think they're as dumb as the ones who actually love this idiot and his cronies. Not to mention the fact that that person is even more 'hi-so' then the Oxford graduate coming from one of the richest families in Chiang Mai. Yeah he's one of them and they identify with him.

You want to talk about dumb? Dumb is people voting for the same idiots everytime when they've proven themselves corrupt and incompentant. Gotta love the downtrodden masses.

Better the devil you know maybe from their point of view, when the alternative is an Old Etonian Oxford graduate from a hi-so family, using his own brand of populist policies to try to make the Dems more attractive to the urban and rural poor that make up the majority of voters.

In that respect the Thais are no more dumb than the voters in any other country.

Not really 3000 were murdered. In Isaan and the North houses were marked with either white (clean), red (dealers), black (addicts). Whoever had a red spot had 15 days time to stop the trade..

The list was provided to the police as the poh yai's in the mooban knew who were the hardcore pushers. Often Poh Yai's would visit those homes and warn those drug pushers to stop the trade. Of course many of those pushers paid of the local police but the teams were send from Bangkok. They didn't stopped so they were popped off.

In our village a family was popped off. First the hubby, then the wife took over the trade (she was popped off too) and on the end her son that was shot off as well. In our village they held a party after that. This is Thailand and live is cheap.

In our village we have no more dealers but still a couple of addicts that just recently snatched a gold necklace from some villagers after she returned from Wat. This guy was beaten up like hell before he was handed over to the police. He is doing now 4 years at Sawang Daen Din and the Yaba jail were 90% of inmates sit for narcotics including some big pushers.

During the Abhisit years the Yaba started flourishing again because they knew Abhisit is a softy. In March 2010 two people were popped off in Wang Sam Mo by a black dressed group. It was well known this family supplied narcotics to Malaysia. Any way it wasn't under the Thaksin regime but Abhisit. Great they were popped off. What an arrogant family that showed they can buy every month a new pickup or another tractor.

Live is cheap for a farang in Thailand. If you go to a local bar you can killed for picking a fight with a local so Yaba pushers and agents shouldn't be surprised if they get popped off even for selling 100 pills.

Our village is clean now. We do have some addicts but we all keep a close eye on them to make our village more save.

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One of the things Suthep has been demanding is that a constitution drafting assembly be set up to review the constitution to strengthen the checks and balances.

He has been saying that after the rewrite had been reviewed and found to do what was intended then it would be taken to the people in a referendum.

Contrast that with PT who have been trying to weaken the checks and balances by their constitution changes, section 109, and such things as cutting the budgets of the Anti corruption commission and others, by refusing to accept the constitution courts decisions, by intimidating judges and putting their own people in top positions.

Changing the senate to all elected is not the main bone of contention as the Dems have agreed to it.

What is the problem is the changes that would allow family and friends of sitting MP's to be senators and allowing an unlimited term (for life) rather than the present 6 years.

And contrast that to the reality where the PTP wanted to set up a CDA to provide a new constitution written by a representative from each of Thailands provinces and about 12 "experts" (no politicians involved).

The Opposition complained. Then the Constitution Court decided upon a new ruling that there had to be referendum before the CDA was formed and constitution re-written (did the Coup Leaders have a referendum before they re wrote it? The answers No, by the way) OR the government could amend the constitution by voting in parliament.

The Opposition complained. Despite the government following the Constitution Court decision to the T , the Opposition complained, the Constitution Court got involved and voted that an amendment to the way Senators were selected was unconstitutional even though it was unconstitutional of them to do so.

They even went so far as to uphold a complaint from the Opposition that the PTP had invoked Article 68 (that the PTP were overthrowing the State System with King as Head of State) without doing anything about it, let alone at the very least dissolving the party! Suprisingly, the Opposition didn't complain about this.

I didn't agree with the amnesty act travesty but that's in the past - we're talking about the CC putting themselves in a position were they can shoot down any Bill the PTP may try and amend or pass in the future. That is why they are disputing the CC 's take on all this.

Yet the PTP are the bad guys?

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Because the Old Etonian Oxford graduate from a hi-so family hasn't murdered 3000 of his own citizens in a drug war, made BILLIONS for his family thru corruption, escalated the insurgencie in the south, come up with populist policies that have failed and cost the taxpayers BILLIONS among others. As dumb as voters in any other country are, I really don't think they're as dumb as the ones who actually love this idiot and his cronies. Not to mention the fact that that person is even more 'hi-so' then the Oxford graduate coming from one of the richest families in Chiang Mai. Yeah he's one of them and they identify with him.

 

 

You want to talk about dumb? Dumb is people voting for the same idiots everytime when they've proven themselves corrupt and incompentant. Gotta love the downtrodden masses.

Better the devil you know maybe from their point of view, when the alternative is an Old Etonian Oxford graduate from a hi-so family, using his own brand of populist policies to try to make the Dems more attractive to the urban and rural poor that make up the majority of voters.

In that respect the Thais are no more dumb than the voters in any other country.

 

 
 

Not really 3000 were murdered. In Isaan and the North houses were marked with either white (clean), red (dealers), black (addicts). Whoever had a red spot had 15 days time to stop the trade..

 

The list was provided to the police as the poh yai's in the mooban knew who were the hardcore pushers. Often Poh Yai's would visit those homes and warn those drug pushers to stop the trade. Of course many of those pushers paid of the local police but the teams were send from Bangkok. They didn't stopped so they were popped off.

 

In our village a family was popped off. First the hubby, then the wife took over the trade (she was popped off too) and on the end her son that was shot off as well. In our village they held a party after that. This is Thailand and live is cheap.

 

In our village we have no more dealers but still a couple of addicts that just recently snatched a gold necklace from some villagers after she returned from Wat. This guy was beaten up like hell before he was handed over to the police. He is doing now 4 years at Sawang Daen Din and the Yaba jail were 90% of inmates sit for narcotics including some big pushers.

 

During the Abhisit years the Yaba started flourishing again because they knew Abhisit is a softy. In March 2010 two people were popped off in Wang Sam Mo by a black dressed group. It was well known this family supplied narcotics to Malaysia. Any way it wasn't under the Thaksin regime but Abhisit. Great they were popped off. What an arrogant family that showed they can buy every month a new pickup or another tractor.

 

Live is cheap for a farang in Thailand. If you go to a local bar you can killed for picking a fight with a local so Yaba pushers and agents shouldn't be surprised if they get popped off even for selling 100 pills.

 

Our village is clean now. We do have some addicts but we all keep a close eye on them to make our village more save.

Nice in-depth explanation. I don't know how firm the punishment doled out to pushers is today, but a user I know - who got away with it for years - recently got caught.. and for a first offence got 3 months in prison. Stupidly re-offending on getting out, and caught in the act, the sentence this time was 2 years...

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It absolutely amazes me that there are actually people who actually advocate taking the right to choose their government away from the people. Somehow they seem to believe that the "selectors" and "selected" will somehow offer greater protection from corruption. This despite history's numerous examples of the dangers of putting power in the hands of small numbers of people.

Sadly it would seem the "peaceful protesters" are showing their true colors as the seek to use violence and intimidation in an attempt to bring down an elected government and impose the will of a minority.

And actually what actual current evidence do you actually have that the actual protesters actually represent a minority? Actually, that is.

Er..........Can you tell us how many there are ??

What evidence do you have that they constitute a majority of anything, including the electorate ??

Do please enlighten us.

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The corruption, like the hypocrisy that follows this family, is on a far larger scale than anyone during the Dems' time in office ever attempted. Billions and now trillions of baht siphoned off, and all you can say is, same as it ever was. Not to this degree, no.

I love the bland, unsupported assertions like "corruption has got steadily worse since Thaksin...".
It was bad before, it was bad during, it carried on as if nothing had changed during the Dems' period at the helm, it's bad now, and it will be bad for the foreseeable future. Until the voters understand that a deep-rooted culture of nepotism and corruption is at fault - practised by pretty much anyone in a position of power - and not by a few headline-grabbing individuals, nothing will ever change. People are just so naive, and easily manipulated. And not just the Thais, going by the polemics on this forum.

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The corruption, like the hypocrisy that follows this family, is on a far larger scale than anyone during the Dems' time in office ever attempted. Billions and now trillions of baht siphoned off, and all you can say is, same as it ever was. Not to this degree, no.

I love the bland, unsupported assertions like "corruption has got steadily worse since Thaksin...".

It was bad before, it was bad during, it carried on as if nothing had changed during the Dems' period at the helm, it's bad now, and it will be bad for the foreseeable future. Until the voters understand that a deep-rooted culture of nepotism and corruption is at fault - practised by pretty much anyone in a position of power - and not by a few headline-grabbing individuals, nothing will ever change. People are just so naive, and easily manipulated. And not just the Thais, going by the polemics on this forum.

 
Some convincing evidence, showing that you are in the know about the full extent of corruption right up to the current day, not just the headline stuff, would give your claims a bit of credibility. That includes all those who are getting away with it, not just those we read about.

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Anand warned that if the culture of corruption is allowed to continue unchecked, the country could be heading for disaster.

Why are sentences like that always put in conditional future tense? Corruption has been, is now, and will continue being a major motivator embedded in Thai politics. All Thai students grow up accepting (and practicing) it without 2nd thoughts. Who says the country is not already indisaster territory? Perhaps we should define the word 'disaster.'

One way to define it: A country governed by a self-exiled fugitive - who pushes debilitating policies upon the populace such as: awful rice pledging scam, and an even worse: The 2.2 trillion baht boondoggle to build infrastructure which will mainly benefit Chinese commerce.

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It absolutely amazes me that there are actually people who actually advocate taking the right to choose their government away from the people. Somehow they seem to believe that the "selectors" and "selected" will somehow offer greater protection from corruption. This despite history's numerous examples of the dangers of putting power in the hands of small numbers of people.

Sadly it would seem the "peaceful protesters" are showing their true colors as the seek to use violence and intimidation in an attempt to bring down an elected government and impose the will of a minority.

And actually what actual current evidence do you actually have that the actual protesters actually represent a minority? Actually, that is.

Er..........Can you tell us how many there are ??

What evidence do you have that they constitute a majority of anything, including the electorate ??

Do please enlighten us.

Ok. Here's some wisdom just for you. Read. Comprehend. THEN post. I made no such claim. I merely questioned Psych's.

That help?

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The corruption, like the hypocrisy that follows this family, is on a far larger scale than anyone during the Dems' time in office ever attempted. Billions and now trillions of baht siphoned off, and all you can say is, same as it ever was. Not to this degree, no.

I love the bland, unsupported assertions like "corruption has got steadily worse since Thaksin...".

It was bad before, it was bad during, it carried on as if nothing had changed during the Dems' period at the helm, it's bad now, and it will be bad for the foreseeable future. Until the voters understand that a deep-rooted culture of nepotism and corruption is at fault - practised by pretty much anyone in a position of power - and not by a few headline-grabbing individuals, nothing will ever change. People are just so naive, and easily manipulated. And not just the Thais, going by the polemics on this forum.

Some convincing evidence, showing that you are in the know about the full extent of corruption right up to the current day, not just the headline stuff, would give your claims a bit of credibility. That includes all those who are getting away with it, not just those we read about.

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You did not choose to comment in the most obvious "Thailand slipping in Global Corruption stakes?"

Examples of the corruption outside of the monetary means is rife on this site when one looks at the bullshit that is going on in Parliament for example. Which example of the hundreds to you want...the changing of the amnesty bill content after it had been passed through the house, a convicted criminal in Dubai being giving a passport, members of Parliament and the police meeting with a convicted criminal, selective prosecution of people in opposition from DSIR, Attorney General etc., junior staff blowing the whistle on the rice scam and being threatened etc., jeez...and I have not even bothered to treat your ridiculous statement with any sense of intelligence that warrants the hundreds of examples that exist.

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That's not evidence that shows a trend. That's cherry-picking to suit an agenda. I asked for references that revealed how the corruptiom and nepotism is clearly worse under PT or earlier equivalents, than before T was around, or under the military or Abhisit or any other fleeting manifestation of government Thailand has seen in recent times.

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The "tyranny" of a parliamentary majority is being used to defend a culture of corruption and political impunity

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Many people in Thailand ARE sick of corruption. Hence the protest.

Oh, I thought it was to demonstrate against the Amnesty Bill, and then I thought it was against the Selection/Election of Senators Bill, and then there was the movement to eradicate the Shinawatra Regime, and then there was the Rubber Farmers protesting, I thought the students were there protesting that they should have their own NRA, I knew the Dhamma Armies were marching for well, because they can, then I thought that Sutheps was definitely there to form his own little Nirvana with a fairy tale Peoples Council to run a country with "good" people

and NOW you tell me it's all about

Corruption?

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Well done Fabby, these are excellent examples of the PTP's corrupt, unconstitutional and illegal actions, all worthy of public protest.

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That's not evidence that shows a trend. That's cherry-picking to suit an agenda. I asked for references that revealed how the corruptiom and nepotism is clearly worse under PT or earlier equivalents, than before T was around, or under the military or Abhisit or any other fleeting manifestation of government Thailand has seen in recent times.

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In the "You ain't seen nothin' yet, regarding nepotism" file cabinet, ...wait until Thaksin's son Oak is put in a power seat. That will bring in a whole new slew of flawed policies foisted upon the Thai sheeple. ...and there's the other (elder) sister, waiting in the wings.

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Families in politics is nothing new - just look at the US ... Clinton, Bush, Kennedy etc. All I'm saying is that nepotism isn't present by definition simply because there are members of a single family in political circles. Sure Thaksin is different - but maybe we shouldn't be assuming others in the family are as guilty as him without real evidence.

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Families in politics is nothing new - just look at the US ... Clinton, Bush, Kennedy etc. All I'm saying is that nepotism isn't present by definition simply because there are members of a single family in political circles. Sure Thaksin is different - but maybe we shouldn't be assuming others in the family are as guilty as him without real evidence.Sent from my GT-I9500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Excellent attempt to distract! Nobody SAID other members [of Thaksin's family] were "as guilty as him". By recharacterizing an issue you think you can divert the argument. No one NEEDS to be "as guilty as him" in order to be guilty by association and subject to his self-serving influence, and therefore NOT acting in the national interest. It's not about political families, and it's not about relative guilt, and that makes your post just plain irrelevant nonsense.

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