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So the Red-Shirt leaders are still not upset, about the attempts by PTP to give a full-amnesty, to people who they claim ordered the murders of their comrades-in-arms three years ago ? blink.png

What very short memories, and conveniently forgetful ones too, these delightful people appear to have. whistling.gif

Why do the Red-masses still trust & follow them ? wink.png

Cos they're deaf, dumb, blind and stupid. Oh, and great at doing as they are told for a small fee.

That attitude is exactly why they will never support the 'Democrats' and Yellow Shirts who think and talk about the workers and farmers in that feudal way. It's why Suthep and his backers want to get rid of democracy - too demeaning to have to actually make policies that the majority might vote for.

That "attitude" is a direct quote from one of those more enlightened farmers in the North referring to other farmers who can't see beyond the next free handout.

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So far their call for rallies at Rajamangala have gone un-headed

living within earshot of the stadium there is a constant drone of hat appears like vezuvelas going off, reminds me of South Africa world cup. An occaisional red and white chopped circle the stadium ... but that is it. IMO I would be surprised if there is not that 10K inside. Hopefully their rallying cry will be just as quiet this weekend.

Near empty seats in the 40,000 stadium. only parts of the pitch was occupied with a few rural (guess mainly) Thai people.

This was shown on most channels last eve. SPASMODIC would be the apt word.

I believe if they get a lot more people this w/e they will want money for being there.

Because of the 200,000 + opposition they cannot be paid- it would break the bank, these are genuine volunteers from all walks of life.

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So the Red-Shirt leaders are still not upset, about the attempts by PTP to give a full-amnesty, to people who they claim ordered the murders of their comrades-in-arms three years ago ? blink.png

What very short memories, and conveniently forgetful ones too, these delightful people appear to have. whistling.gif

Why do the Red-masses still trust & follow them ? wink.png

500bahts per day sounds about right..!!

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An unidentified person in a red shirt speaking as spokesperson for an un named man in his 60's somewhere in the middle east confirmed that 50million supporters would be at the rally on saturday.

After the rally which will include promises of things to come there will time to enjoy a smashing time in the Capital fueled by some local beverages and dutch courage.

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Because its better than the centuries of being forgotten about and repressed.

I expect many 'red shirts' are not personally keen on TS, but the thought of voting for the oldest party in Thailand who has over the years completely disregarded them is so sickening that they continue to support the PTP.

I hate the conflict now, and find it difficult to see a proper resolution, but its lovely to see these old families in Thailand who have barely lifted a finger in their lives, other than to call the hired help, get a right royal shafting:) Sadly i know they have already siphoned off 100's of million of dollars over the years out of the country and really whatever is happening here is just a minor inconvenience that they can sit out abroad.

That is exactly right, smutcakes. That is what the Bangkok elite refuse to understand. The Dems have shafted the Isaan time and again. Refused to acknowledge their problems or improve their lot. Just read up on the protest before the '97 crash.

Of course Isaan will support PTP/Red shirts. They know the Shin clan and their cronies are just as corrupt if not worse, but they are pragmatic.

At least they did something for them.

The (yellow?) protests now are genuine, but it will not help at all. They are being let by another corrupt bastard with his own crony network.

Employing the same tactics like the red shirts in 2010.

It is the summit of irony that Jatuporn and Natthawut denounce the occupations. They did the same, except stepped it up a notch. Raiding a hospital and encouraged destruction and rioting. "Burn it all down! Burn Bangkok!" Remember?

There is no solution. This is just another fight between two feudal clans. Establishment against Shin Clan. And it will get violent, I am afraid.

As long as the Army stays out of it...

Give Isaan autonomy... let those farmers rule themselves... easy..!

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Because its better than the centuries of being forgotten about and repressed.

I expect many 'red shirts' are not personally keen on TS, but the thought of voting for the oldest party in Thailand who has over the years completely disregarded them is so sickening that they continue to support the PTP.

I hate the conflict now, and find it difficult to see a proper resolution, but its lovely to see these old families in Thailand who have barely lifted a finger in their lives, other than to call the hired help, get a right royal shafting:) Sadly i know they have already siphoned off 100's of million of dollars over the years out of the country and really whatever is happening here is just a minor inconvenience that they can sit out abroad.

That is exactly right, smutcakes. That is what the Bangkok elite refuse to understand. The Dems have shafted the Isaan time and again. Refused to acknowledge their problems or improve their lot. Just read up on the protest before the '97 crash.

Of course Isaan will support PTP/Red shirts. They know the Shin clan and their cronies are just as corrupt if not worse, but they are pragmatic.

At least they did something for them.

The (yellow?) protests now are genuine, but it will not help at all. They are being let by another corrupt bastard with his own crony network.

Employing the same tactics like the red shirts in 2010.

It is the summit of irony that Jatuporn and Natthawut denounce the occupations. They did the same, except stepped it up a notch. Raiding a hospital and encouraged destruction and rioting. "Burn it all down! Burn Bangkok!" Remember?

There is no solution. This is just another fight between two feudal clans. Establishment against Shin Clan. And it will get violent, I am afraid.

As long as the Army stays out of it...

Give Isaan autonomy... let those farmers rule themselves... easy..!

Give Issan back to Laoscheesy.gif

Give the deep south back to Malaycheesy.gif

Then no problems ????giggle.gif

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"The United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship will stage a mass rally on Saturday to pass a judgement on anti-government protest leader Suthep Thuagsuban"

What gives these thugs the right to think they can pass judgement on anyone...?! It is the duty of the courts to pass judgement, just as they did against their beloved fugitive criminal.

Furthermore, if the judicial system were to function properly here, then the super-thug Jatuporn wouldn't be sitting in judgement on anyone, he would either be incarcerated or on the run like his good friend...!!

lol. So I take it you were equally outraged by Suthep's 'People's Court' which passed judgement on Thaksin and PT then?

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Most of the Bangkok protester I know, are not at the rallies because the support but opposition government, but because they don't want to see the amnesty (and other related) bills in any form get passed.

My wife has seen the 'yellow' politicians get boo-ed on a 'yellow' stage, when they say they didn't participate in corruption when in power. Actually the don't like either side, they going because of they don't support the bill.

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So the Red-Shirt leaders are still not upset, about the attempts by PTP to give a full-amnesty, to people who they claim ordered the murders of their comrades-in-arms three years ago ? blink.png

What very short memories, and conveniently forgetful ones too, these delightful people appear to have. whistling.gif

Why do the Red-masses still trust & follow them ? wink.png

Because they are mindless (brainless) sheep, that's why...bah.gif

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Several of the reds turned up at an anti Govt rally where I live last Sunday.

They did so because they went on buses provided to a previous red rally at the stadium and were paid 200 B and some rice.

When they got there they found out that those who were from Issan had been paid 1,000 B.

That made them feel devalued, for want of a better word.

I did not make this up, the Mrs is one of those who organized that rally and as the reds who were there were known reds they were asked why the went and that is what they said.

Whether they will be talked in to going to BKK again this weekend will I suspect, depend on the payment offered.

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This is all not going to end easily this time. Most people have no idea how much Thailand a mess Thailand is politically and economically. The rice pledging scheme cannot end and it cannot continue. So, where is the end game for this? No one knows. This crisis has been brewing for years. The rice pledging scheme should be the undoing of PT, but there is no alternative for the majority to vote for.

There's nothing unique about Thailand. The West has been through it all, but in most countries, 100 to 200 years ago. What is happening in Thailand is a mish-mash of social and political development condensed into a relatively short period of time. This Red/Yellow divide has only developed since the coup in 2006. It was always there, but the colours have delineated the political divide in a frightening way. It is perhaps strange that socialism and leftist ideology seem never to be heard in Thai politics. PT seem to avoid such terms, but they are the nearest to that idealism. Their politics though are more populist than anything much else. In some ways, a healthy cynicism of all Thai politicians helps prevent any belief that the State is there to provide for the people.

The trouble is that this populism leads to such lunacy as the Rice Pledging Scheme. This is nothing other than the State believing that it can interfere with the free market, without disastrous consequences. It can't. The Yellows are right about that and it just fuels their arrogance. Political ignorance and a history of teaching singing and dancing and living for today means that the elite can indeed perpetuate their lifestyles in some weird belief that really they were born superior. With their sons not having to compete as they would have to do in a meritocracy, their lifestyles perpetuates. But keeping the masses ignorant and never have them thinking outside the box also leads in any form of a democracy to populism being there to be exploited by politicians. Thaksin saw this in the early 2000 and made his shrewd political move. The rest is just the natural follow on from that.

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So the Red-Shirt leaders are still not upset, about the attempts by PTP to give a full-amnesty, to people who they claim ordered the murders of their comrades-in-arms three years ago ? blink.png

What very short memories, and conveniently forgetful ones too, these delightful people appear to have. whistling.gif

Why do the Red-masses still trust & follow them ? wink.png

Because its better than the centuries of being forgotten about and repressed.

I expect many 'red shirts' are not personally keen on TS, but the thought of voting for the oldest party in Thailand who has over the years completely disregarded them is so sickening that they continue to support the PTP.

I hate the conflict now, and find it difficult to see a proper resolution, but its lovely to see these old families in Thailand who have barely lifted a finger in their lives, other than to call the hired help, get a right royal shafting:) Sadly i know they have already siphoned off 100's of million of dollars over the years out of the country and really whatever is happening here is just a minor inconvenience that they can sit out abroad.

If the Red-Shirts don't wish to vote for the Dems, that's up to them and I can see why they might not want to, but why not start a new clean Red-party instead ?

Of course this might require leadership, from their long-time Thaksin-supporting local-leaders, which might result in some of those losing their seats on the gravy-train, but so what ?

Supporting one elite-family, the S-clan, over all the others, has been shown to not be the answer IMO.

And I myself would put the 'skim' at hundreds of billions, not millions. All wealth which might have been used to educate the masses, build-up the infrastructure, establish a better health & social-system, but after almost a decade with Thaksin-led parties these things just haven't happened, and the corruption is worse than ever. sad.png

Time for the Reds to start thinking for themselves, instead of playing follow-the-leader ? wai2.gif

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Jatuporn Promphan, another red-shirt leader, said that it was necessary for the red-shirt followers to be on the full alert to counter the anti-government protesters.

If they don't he might not get any more presents. 8.gif9.gif

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So the Red-Shirt leaders are still not upset, about the attempts by PTP to give a full-amnesty, to people who they claim ordered the murders of their comrades-in-arms three years ago ? blink.png

What very short memories, and conveniently forgetful ones too, these delightful people appear to have. whistling.gif

Why do the Red-masses still trust & follow them ? wink.png

Considering they were not getting along until Yingluck was in trouble I would say their memory is fine. They remember how much money they were given to lead the mindless hoard in a different direction.wai2.gif

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