Hybrid bicycles in Thailand

[funlovinkid]

I'm planning to buy a new bicycle very soon, having already learned a lot about the various types of bikes, components, etc. I've concluded that the best bike for me is a hybrid (or "cross-road"), something with 700c (29") wheels, around 27 speeds, and with rack/fender mounts and a suspension fork to absorb some of the bumps instead of my arms. I don't want a road bike because I'm willing to venture off-road, onto trails, through puddles, etc. But I don't want a purely MTB either: IMHO they tend to be too slow on the road.

However, I'm beginning to get the distinct feeling that hybrid bikes are either unusual, or downright unpopular here, and therefore not many are available for sale, which means very few to select from.

For example, I had one bike shop explain to me that hybrid bikes are subject to a 30% government tax, whereas mountain bikes (and presumably road bikes as well) are only subject to a 1% tax. So, according to this particular shop, hybrid bikes are significantly more expensive than a comparable road or MTB.

In a different case, I had a shop explain that Trek, Specialized, and even Giant hybrids are "overpriced" for the money, and that the best bang for the buck is a Merida. This from a shop which actually sells Specialized and Giant bikes. This makes me wonder if the first three are possibly subject to a higher import tax than the Merida, which might explain the price discrepancy. For the record, I'm only guessing here: my Thai language ability could certainly be better, and I'm trying to piece together what information I'm able to glean from my conversations with these various shops.

I'm a relatively large guy (183cm tall, 87cm inseam), and finding anyone selling a hybrid in the right frame size, with the features I want, is proving extremely difficult. Even the possibility of ordering a specific bike gets pooh-poohed by some of the people I've spoken to - they tell me that I would have to search for what I want from within large-quantity orders already placed by the various shops, because the bike manufacturers won't accept an order for a single bike. I suppose I could ask a shop to order a specific bike for me as part of a large order that they were already planning to place with the manufacturer, but this suggests that my timing would have to coincide with their decision to place an order, or that I would have to be willing to wait, possibly for several months.

All of this is a bit perplexing! Bottom line: does anyone out there have any knowledge about, or experience with, buying a hybrid bike here, that might shed some light on the situation?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this!

[eeeya]

Just bought a MTB yesterday (trek 4300) after a long bit of research. I used to have a Hybrid which i rode in Perth, Australia, excellent paths everywhere.

Here in Bangkok ive been to a few bike shops and the range is pretty limited for hybrids. You can always go a Mountain bike and just change the tyres to thinner ones with a slick tread pattern.

I did that on a Mountain bike as well and the speed difference was huge, but at the sacrifice of anything bumpy, grass etc.

I figured here in Bangkok and surrounding areas i might try a few trails as well as a bit of exploration in the sois so need the best of both worlds and just play around with tyre sizing.

[yourauntbob]

You could always order the bike in the USA and have it shipped here by a friend or family member. Even better if you have someone coming to visit in the near future have them bring a slightly used bike with them on the plane. Shouldnt be a duties if they are bringing in a used bike to use during their holiday

[bobfish]

Nothing wrong with Merida, they own Specialized -

Was also told that some Meridas are made in Thailand, maybe that's why the tax/duty is missing on those models.

An MTB hardtail 29er on 700c road tyres would work great, just check the rim width for compatability.

yourauntbob has the solution for getting the right size at the right price, otherwise you'll probably have to import a bike, or at minimum a frame, yourself + $$$

[Deserted]

I'm not sure who you've been talking to here, I would have said that its mountain bikes which are over-priced. I* can put you in touch with someone who sells quality hybrids if you're in BKK, they are generally cheaper than the mtbs that he sells.

[Deserted]

just pm me if you want details.

[chiangmaiexpat]

Hybrid bikes are indeed somewhat unpopular here and not without reason. However, it has nothing to do with taxes. Hybrid bikes appeal to beginners, casual riders, and people who are looking for a utility bike. In Thailand, this happens to be the target group that is more likely to go for a cheap Chinese import bike from Tesco rather than a quality bike from a bike shop. Hybrid bikes don't appeal to sport enthusiasts, because they are neither fish nor fowl, which means the rider quickly runs into limits both on the road as well as off-road.

For this reason, I'd recommend a quality hardtail MTB. You can put road tyres or hybrid tyres on it. This is a relatively low-cost expenditure that will make the bike considerably faster on asphalt. Why an MTB? They are more sturdy than a hybrid, have better gearing, and offer better handling.

Cheers, CM-Expat

[Deserted]

But the problem with replacing wheels on an MTB is that you are still left with the extra weight of the frame. I think one reason why people choose hybrids over MTB's is to get away from such things

Regarding hybrids, another view might be that you get the best of both worlds, some of the speed of a road bike and some of the stability of an MTB. If sport is your thing, I agree that they are not the best choice for more sporty types but for those with a more general enjoyment of cycling they are a pretty good all round choice.

Viking stock some pretty decent models with some pretty decent spec, though you can't get them in Thailand I think

[bobfish]

Depends what you want and are willing to pay. No need to change the rims.

As an example, a 29er MTB with 700c road tyres could be lighter, faster and more functional long term.

However, a cheaper hybrid would suit someone determined to stay on road within limitations. A great first bike choice anyway, and can be used later as a pub/cafe bike

[Deserted]

Depends what you want and are willing to pay. No need to change the rims.

As an example, a 29er MTB with 700c road tyres could be lighter, faster and more functional long term.

However, a cheaper hybrid would suit someone determined to stay on road within limitations. A great first bike choice anyway, and can be used later as a pub/cafe bike

As mentioned, MTB typically come in at 2-3kgs heavier than hybrids (if the manufactures are to be believed). Most of the weight is in the frame, obviously. For an MTB to be lighter then you need to go up the scale to lightweight frames.

But it seems a little absurd to want speed from an MTB, some are quicker and lighter than others of course, but its better to get a different type of bike if speed is a priority.

[chiangmaiexpat]

As mentioned, MTB typically come in at 2-3kgs heavier than hybrids (if the manufactures are to be believed).

Depends on the frame. A run-off-the-mill cross country MTB may even be lighter than a hybrid bike. There are lightweight versions of both MTBs and Hybrids, but I doubt that one or two kg make a big difference for speed/climbing. My full-suspension MTB with knobby 26"/2.2" tyres weighs 12kg and probably beats most Hybrids in terms of weight. For speed/climbing you get a bigger bang out of the "right" tyre pattern, but there is always the tradeoff between speed and traction.

Cheers, CM-Expat

P.S.: I would generally question the lighter=faster mantra, because it all depends on what type of surface you ride. With a super-light, super-fast setup, you are often forced to slow down on a wet, uneven, gravel/dirt/leaves covered road, because it wouldn't be safe. Especially on Thailand's rough roads, a somewhat sturdier/grippier setup may actually allow you to roll faster.

Edited December 20, 2013 by chiangmaiexpat

[bobfish]

Agreed. At the same [low/moderate] price point a hybrid may be lighter because of the thinner/less robust frame.

However, there are few hybrids available at the higher end pricing that are even comparable with optimised MTB's, on or off road.

Bottom line; I think we're all on the same page. If you're aiming to buy a hybrid then do so - with the awareness of what else is available that may [or may not! ] better suit your needs.

Last thought: Futureproof: it is always wise to buy something upgradeable. eg look at tapered headtubes, bottom brackets, disc brake mounts etc before buying something that could be obsolete.

Edited December 20, 2013 by bobfish

[StreetCowboy]

Hybrid bikes are indeed somewhat unpopular here and not without reason. However, it has nothing to do with taxes. Hybrid bikes appeal to beginners, casual riders, and people who are looking for a utility bike. In Thailand, this happens to be the target group that is more likely to go for a cheap Chinese import bike from Tesco rather than a quality bike from a bike shop. Hybrid bikes don't appeal to sport enthusiasts, because they are neither fish nor fowl, which means the rider quickly runs into limits both on the road as well as off-road.

For this reason, I'd recommend a quality hardtail MTB. You can put road tyres or hybrid tyres on it. This is a relatively low-cost expenditure that will make the bike considerably faster on asphalt. Why an MTB? They are more sturdy than a hybrid, have better gearing, and offer better handling.

Cheers, CM-Expat

I find that my MTB lacks the high-speed gearing to keep up with traffic in some circumstances. I didn't want a road bike because of the condition of the local roads, and the shop didn't have any specialised 'hybrids'. So I've got a MTB with no rear suspension, but even with the front suspension locked the front forks don't feel as steady as I'd like, and I'm not confident with cruising along without my hands on the handlebars, which makes it awkward when I'm trying to light a cigar. And I don't feel too confident hammering down the long hills either...

Also, a straighter cross-bar would make the bike easier to carry over my shoulder when trespassing over fences or up the stairs on footbridges. And I might prefer a less straight handlebar... and perhaps some token mudguards. And I'm disappointed there was no front and rear reflectors fitted to make it 'road-legal'

SC

"Anyway, even if you complain, no-one listens, so you might as well not bother..."

Edited December 21, 2013 by StreetCowboy

[bobfish]

What he said!

[chiangmaiexpat]

but even with the front suspension locked the front forks don't feel as steady as I'd like, and I'm not confident with cruising along without my hands on the handlebars, which makes it awkward when I'm trying to light a cigar."

Oh, you should probably get one of those "Southern Comfort" models with a built-in cigarette lighter. Honestly, bouncing on the suspension free-hand... that's where the fun begins...

Cheers, CM-Expat

[dingerbel]

If you are looking for a decent hybrid, one that will take the Bangkok roads as well as speed and agility. You should be looking at the Merida crossway 300D, has suspension (which can be locked off) pretty light weight at approx 13kg, disc brakes for the morons that decide to pull in front of you so they can turn left, not slick tyres but thin enough to still get caught in the cracks in the road. Not only that, its actually a decent price here too at about 20k.

You could go for a trek, but I think you will be hard pushed to get a hybrid with disc brakes (a must I would say) for under 30k

[GarryP]

I got the Giant Seek 1 (hybrid - no suspension) just over a year or so ago. It had to be ordered as I needed the L size. They stocked up to M only as they said that their main market is Thais who normally do not get above M, which makes sense. It took one month from placing the order to me picking it up. All my cycling is done in Bangkok and bordering provinces.The price was the same as that for an M. There was no surcharge for ordering.

I think I made the right choice and the only thing I would possibly change is the gear set, which is MTB gearing, for roadbike gearing. But then I do not use more than 5 to 6 gears any way so that would be a wasted expense.

[Deserted]

You can pick this up for just under 13k in Bangkok. Looks reasonable enough for a low-end bike.

http://www.bicyclestore.com.au/fuji-traverse-1-7.html

[fabianfred]

I am up in Fang North of Chiangmai and got myself an MTB fifteen years ago... Hated it as it was hard work on the roads..... I don't like off road and got the bike for exercise. Gave it to the wife and got a hybrid next day. Been happy with it for fifteen years now. A GT model.... With nexave gears... No discs then... paid sixteen thousand for it. I don't get out much now.

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[Deserted]

I think this article covers many of the points raised in this thread.

http://www.cyclingactive.com/bikesgear/mountain-bike-versus-hybrid-test-lab

[funlovinkid]

I'm not sure who you've been talking to here, I would have said that its mountain bikes which are over-priced. I* can put you in touch with someone who sells quality hybrids if you're in BKK, they are generally cheaper than the mtbs that he sells.

Thanks, Deserted (and apologies for the late reply), but I actually ordered a Merida Crossway 300 from Cycle Sport in BKK about a week before your reply above. Because I ordered a large frame size (55 cm), it won't arrive until March!

[funlovinkid]

If you are looking for a decent hybrid, one that will take the Bangkok roads as well as speed and agility. You should be looking at the Merida crossway 300D, has suspension (which can be locked off) pretty light weight at approx 13kg, disc brakes for the morons that decide to pull in front of you so they can turn left, not slick tyres but thin enough to still get caught in the cracks in the road. Not only that, its actually a decent price here too at about 20k.

You could go for a trek, but I think you will be hard pushed to get a hybrid with disc brakes (a must I would say) for under 30k

Funny you should mention this particular bike, it's EXACTLY what I ordered, about a week before your posting above (sorry about the late reply). I'm currently awaiting delivery, scheduled for March. Woo-hoo!

[el jefe]

I'm not sure who you've been talking to here, I would have said that its mountain bikes which are over-priced. I* can put you in touch with someone who sells quality hybrids if you're in BKK, they are generally cheaper than the mtbs that he sells.

Thanks, Deserted (and apologies for the late reply), but I actually ordered a Merida Crossway 300 from Cycle Sport in BKK about a week before your reply above. Because I ordered a large frame size (55 cm), it won't arrive until March!

That's the Thai way of saying "Sorry, no have." In March, they'll tell you "June". Hopefully, I'm wrong, but you should come up with a Plan B.

Thais don't think you'd want to wait 2-3 months. They should say "No problem. We get for you in 2017".

[StreetCowboy]

I'm not sure who you've been talking to here, I would have said that its mountain bikes which are over-priced. I* can put you in touch with someone who sells quality hybrids if you're in BKK, they are generally cheaper than the mtbs that he sells.

Thanks, Deserted (and apologies for the late reply), but I actually ordered a Merida Crossway 300 from Cycle Sport in BKK about a week before your reply above. Because I ordered a large frame size (55 cm), it won't arrive until March!

That's the Thai way of saying "Sorry, no have." In March, they'll tell you "June". Hopefully, I'm wrong, but you should come up with a Plan B.

Thais don't think you'd want to wait 2-3 months. They should say "No problem. We get for you in 2017".

Or maybe they have to deliver from their supplier overseas and it takes several months

SC

[dingerbel]

If you are looking for a decent hybrid, one that will take the Bangkok roads as well as speed and agility. You should be looking at the Merida crossway 300D, has suspension (which can be locked off) pretty light weight at approx 13kg, disc brakes for the morons that decide to pull in front of you so they can turn left, not slick tyres but thin enough to still get caught in the cracks in the road. Not only that, its actually a decent price here too at about 20k.

You could go for a trek, but I think you will be hard pushed to get a hybrid with disc brakes (a must I would say) for under 30k

Funny you should mention this particular bike, it's EXACTLY what I ordered, about a week before your posting above (sorry about the late reply). I'm currently awaiting delivery, scheduled for March. Woo-hoo!

Its a quality bit of kit, enjoy!

[StreetCowboy]

I'm looking forward to buying a new bike, though it's a couple of years away...

I'm happy with my 29" wheels, but I don't particularly need any suspension, and I'd like slightly curved handlebars, rather than dead straight. Also, I'll need slightly quicker gears if I ever get fit. I'd like mudguards and a back carrier. I'd like a bit more self-steering from the front forks, as well.

[el jefe]

I'm not sure who you've been talking to here, I would have said that its mountain bikes which are over-priced. I* can put you in touch with someone who sells quality hybrids if you're in BKK, they are generally cheaper than the mtbs that he sells.

Thanks, Deserted (and apologies for the late reply), but I actually ordered a Merida Crossway 300 from Cycle Sport in BKK about a week before your reply above. Because I ordered a large frame size (55 cm), it won't arrive until March!

That's the Thai way of saying "Sorry, no have." In March, they'll tell you "June". Hopefully, I'm wrong, but you should come up with a Plan B.

Thais don't think you'd want to wait 2-3 months. They should say "No problem. We get for you in 2017".

Or maybe they have to deliver from their supplier overseas and it takes several months

SC

Hopefully, you're right. And because it's a Merida, there's a better chance you are. My friends' experiences with western brands in larger sizes isn't good though when told "3 months".

Funlovinkid, good luck.

[funlovinkid]

As an update to this thread, FWIW, I ordered - and received - exactly what I wanted. I did have to wait three months for delivery, unfortunately. However, I'm glad I did; the bike is perfect for me.

I ordered from a shop in Bangkok called Cycle Sport, and I worked exclusively with K. Nattapon there. He is extremely knowledgeable about the bicycles his shop sells, and his English is excellent. During one conversation, he even referred in detail to the bike frame geometry, so his vocabulary is also excellent. He was also 100% professional, and was true to his word in every sense.

I believe you can reach Cycle Sport at 026-217-223, 026-217-225.

They wanted 50% down upon order placement, and then the remaining 50% before they ship it to you. I was a little nervous about this, because I effectively paid entirely for the bike before I ever saw anyone or anything, but it arrived exactly as expected. They will ask you to deposit funds into a bank account for both transactions, and the account wasn't under the name "Cycle Sport", which had me a little concerned - the account was in the name of an individual, I assume the owner of the shop. I wanted to use a credit card (just so that I would have some recourse if something went wrong), but they apparently aren't set up for mail order. I'm told that if you were to go into their shop, you could swipe a credit card, but only in person.

The bike arrived at my place in the original heavy-duty Merida box from Taiwan (with extremely thick cardboard), but it had first been delivered to Cycle Sport - it wasn't shipped directly to me from Merida. K. Nattapon informed me that Cycle Sport had taken the bike out of the box and made some minor adjustments (not sure what - maybe the derailleurs or brakes) before re-boxing it and shipping it to me. After it arrived, I had to attach the handle bars, the seat, the pedals, and the front wheel, all of which was pretty easy. Shipping cost from Bangkok to my place in Chiang Mai was 200 Baht.

After the bike arrived, I checked all the components, and they were exactly as prescribed, so there wasn't any funny business going on at the shop in Bangkok when they took the bike out of the box. I had been concerned that they might try to swap out some of the components on the bike with inferior stuff, but that didn't happen.

I don't normally buy stuff like this, where a leap of faith is required without any consumer protection, but in this case it turned out fine. I can't say enough about the service I received from K. Nattapon.

Hopefully this will be helpful to others considering ordering a bike. I'm not sure if the 3-month lead time is typical or not - it might depend on the time of year, what size bike you want, etc. Anyway, happy biking!