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Thailand third worst in the world for road deaths; Phuket killing someone every three days

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The majority of road accidents in LOS is due to a lack of "cognitive reasoning" and "common sense" in the gray matter located between Thai ears.

Nope.

You generally get all the safety you can afford... Putting it down to "cognitive reasoning" is pretty racist, huh?

The vast majority of the carnage on Thai roads is due to economic conditions that put so many Thais on motorcycles- which are 20-30x more dangerous per km than a car, and (almost) infinitely more dangerous than walking.

A little poorer, and they'd be riding bicycles or walking. A little richer, and they'd be riding in their own individual seats in cars with seat belts fastened.

Nothing the least "racist" in my post at all, other then in your mind. Simply stating well known facts. Anyone who has been in Thailand for any length of time is well aware that cognitive reasoning is simply NOT a strong point with Thai in general. They think only of themselves, and only for the moment. For the most part, their concept of "the future" only extends until "tomorrow". How many Thai have you ever known that actually admit that something is their fault, or apologize for anything? In over 6 years of living here, I've yet to meet one. I've had construction workers who show up at my house, 2-3 hours later than they were scheduled to of course, and then have to borrow MY tools to do a job for which THEY should have the tools for.

And I completely agree with terryp in regards to what he wrote. In other words, they don't THINK, only act without thinking.

And a Thai lady with a 4th grade education can take a university educated western guy for everything he has, and send him packing with nothing.

That's because the man is thinking with his small head, doesn't mean she is bright, just cunning.

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Hmm... if for nothing else it seems the meeting with the expert panel at least have made to fix a bit on well known Internationally official road fatalities in Thailand and even between the media on their home turf the numbers vary from 1 dead every third day to 2 dead every third day unsure.png

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I had realised that Thailand has a bad road death record, but I had not expected it to be so high on a world scale.

Just goes to show we are all rolling the dice out there on the roads.

Scary.

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The majority of road accidents in LOS is due to a lack of "cognitive reasoning" and "common sense" in the gray matter located between Thai ears.

Nope.

You generally get all the safety you can afford... Putting it down to "cognitive reasoning" is pretty racist, huh?

The vast majority of the carnage on Thai roads is due to economic conditions that put so many Thais on motorcycles- which are 20-30x more dangerous per km than a car, and (almost) infinitely more dangerous than walking.

A little poorer, and they'd be riding bicycles or walking. A little richer, and they'd be riding in their own individual seats in cars with seat belts fastened.

I promise you that the day they get to you, blaming economic conditions will fade away quickly.

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Nothing the least "racist" in my post at all, other then in your mind. Simply stating well known facts. Anyone who has been in Thailand for any length of time is well aware that cognitive reasoning is simply NOT a strong point with Thai in general. They think only of themselves, and only for the moment. For the most part, their concept of "the future" only extends until "tomorrow". How many Thai have you ever known that actually admit that something is their fault, or apologize for anything? In over 6 years of living here, I've yet to meet one. I've had construction workers who show up at my house, 2-3 hours later than they were scheduled to of course, and then have to borrow MY tools to do a job for which THEY should have the tools for.

And I completely agree with terryp in regards to what he wrote. In other words, they don't THINK, only act without thinking.

And a Thai lady with a 4th grade education can take a university educated western guy for everything he has, and send him packing with nothing.

That's because the man is thinking with his small head, doesn't mean she is bright, just cunning.

They think only of themselves, and only for the moment. For the most part, their concept of "the future" only extends until "tomorrow"

Hard to reconcile that quoted statement I was responding to with the "cunning" (your word) and forward planning required to systematically clean out an educated foreigner, small head dominant or not.

I'm not claiming they're any kind of superior beings, or ethical giants- but to contend that they have no cognitive reasoning skills, or forward thinking is what military folk call "underestimating your opponent".

And the rest of his statement is pretty racist, regardless of his denials.

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A simple measure that I would like to see is making it compulsory for seatbelts to be fitted and USABLE in all taxis.

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Add at least another 20% on top of whatever the official government road death totals are when you factor in those that don't end up getting officially reported. A couple of years ago in Phuket it was discovered that several road deaths of foreigners didn't make the official list.

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A road safety campaign or brain washing out of old and dangerous driving habits is best served up in prime time TV. Showing all the blood and guts at meal time across all channels. Another less brutal series of ads should be aimed at the kids prime time as well so they can learn about being a safe passenger by putting pressure on the driver to be more careful.

In the end the quickest way to fix the problem is to reward the good drivers and punish the bad ...it's that simple

Education is a must.

Not sure if the graphic scenes work that well. Look at all the smokers out there with horrible pictures of dead and dying people. I still smoke and no one has ever told me they stopped smoking because of this. But in saying that I feel Thailand has to try everything to stop the carnage.

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The majority of road accidents in LOS is due to a lack of "cognitive reasoning" and "common sense" in the gray matter located between Thai ears.

Nope.

You generally get all the safety you can afford... Putting it down to "cognitive reasoning" is pretty racist, huh?

The vast majority of the carnage on Thai roads is due to economic conditions that put so many Thais on motorcycles- which are 20-30x more dangerous per km than a car, and (almost) infinitely more dangerous than walking.

A little poorer, and they'd be riding bicycles or walking. A little richer, and they'd be riding in their own individual seats in cars with seat belts fastened.

Your reasoning reminds me so much of the gun debate in USA. Blame the gun instead of the gun userermm.gif

just because people have motorbikes it doesn't mean they have to use them in a dangerous way as they do on Thailand's roads.

In so many cases the motorcyclist is travelling so fast that would be unable to bring the vehicle to a halt safely if it was necessary to do so.

The irony is, they rush around on these things (and the taxi riders are amongst the worst ) but for what?

So they can end spending so much of their time at their destination sitting and staring into oblivion. They have no etiquette.and no consideration whatsoever for other road users.

So don't blame the motorbikes, blame the ridiculously low level of motorcyclist and driver education in this country.

You'll never hear me saying guns are dangerous. I own many.

But proof positive of my point are all the foreigners I see zipping around breaking all the rules of man and physics on scooters here in Bangkok and Pattaya and Kanchanaburi and.... If the crappy driving is down to the Thais' "lack of cognitive reasoning and common sense", how do you explain all the foreigners who do the same? Is it contagious? I think not. Like the Thai's, they have learned that zipping around saves time, and the chances of a negative consequence are outweighed by the benefits of time saved. At least, that's their (very western) calculus.

Bottom line is people do what they do because of consequences. And that's down to enforcement, not "lack of cognitive reasoning and common sense". As long as the benefits of breaking the laws outweigh the consequences, laws will be broken.

And the studies that say scooters are 20-30x as dangerous as cars comes from surveys in the USA and Australia- not Thailand. Which indicates that scooters are dangerous, regardless of how "right thinking" the drivers are. As long as the vast majority of vehicles on Thai roads have 2 wheels, the traffic statistics will continue to be bleak. If they want to change the statistics, they'll need to change the proportion of 2 to 4 wheel vehicles, and/or change the cost/benefit equation for breaking the rules- through enforcement.

Surely you don't mean try to reduce the amount of motorcycles on the road? Maybe try prosecuting car, bus and lorry drivers that treat motorbikes as second class citizens, and pull out in front of motorbikes with out a thought, causing the majority of accidents. Although i would agree the young gangs racing about here in Pattaya are a danger to themselves and others.

I recently rode my small motorbike up to Phetchabun, Nong Khai, Chaiphum, Korat and back, 2100 km+ in that time i did not see one motorbike ridden in a bad or reckless way. I did however have quiet a few cars cause me panic attacks by overtaking other vehicles and forcing me into the sand covered and pot holed side of the road. They just flashed their lights and i had to move or be killed. These people need to be taken off the road, the motorcyclists!

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Last week the BBC had a program on about Vietnam and one part of it showed the presenter on the back of a Vespa look alike and behind him lots of other scooters and noticed that all the riders had helmets on.

Your point being?

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how about some capital investment in road safely rather than throwing money out of the window to win the next election?

But they are investing: in a recent TV thread, they hired a bunch of monks to exorcise the "evil spirits" from the roads. If that isn't commitment to improved road safety I don't know what is. 555

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I would propose a simple and effective way to increase road safety and reduce the number of accidents:

Enforce the law!

I know that's an utopy here, but that's really all it needs: a police willing and able to enforce the traffic rules and follow through. Not just a one week PR campagne, do it every day of the year.

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"“We've also had success convincing people to wear helmets. For the last three years, Phuket has ranked number two in Thailand for helmet use,”"

Seriously?.... What does #2 translate to.... 10% use?

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