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Thailand third worst in the world for road deaths; Phuket killing someone every three days

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A little poorer, and they'd be riding bicycles or walking. A little richer, and they'd be riding in their own individual seats in cars with seat belts fastened.

Car are the killer...

Might be findefor the people on the inside with the seat belts (if they used them).

...but what about the pedestrians, cyclists and motorbike riders killed by cars everyday.

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The majority of road accidents in LOS is due to a lack of "cognitive reasoning" and "common sense" in the gray matter located between Thai ears.

Nope.

You generally get all the safety you can afford... Putting it down to "cognitive reasoning" is pretty racist, huh?

The vast majority of the carnage on Thai roads is due to economic conditions that put so many Thais on motorcycles- which are 20-30x more dangerous per km than a car, and (almost) infinitely more dangerous than walking.

A little poorer, and they'd be riding bicycles or walking. A little richer, and they'd be riding in their own individual seats in cars with seat belts fastened.

Nothing the least "racist" in my post at all, other then in your mind. Simply stating well known facts. Anyone who has been in Thailand for any length of time is well aware that cognitive reasoning is simply NOT a strong point with Thai in general. They think only of themselves, and only for the moment. For the most part, their concept of "the future" only extends until "tomorrow". How many Thai have you ever known that actually admit that something is their fault, or apologize for anything? In over 6 years of living here, I've yet to meet one. I've had construction workers who show up at my house, 2-3 hours later than they were scheduled to of course, and then have to borrow MY tools to do a job for which THEY should have the tools for.

And I completely agree with terryp in regards to what he wrote. In other words, they don't THINK, only act without thinking.

Ok you two - think about this just for a second.

Thia people are the MOST polite people in the world - I mean they always smile Right???? Well dont ever meet one when you are driving, they own the road and you can not make them understand different. When they are driving they have NO manors at all.

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The majority of road accidents in LOS is due to a lack of "cognitive reasoning" and "common sense" in the gray matter located between Thai ears.

Nope.

You generally get all the safety you can afford... Putting it down to "cognitive reasoning" is pretty racist, huh?

The vast majority of the carnage on Thai roads is due to economic conditions that put so many Thais on motorcycles- which are 20-30x more dangerous per km than a car, and (almost) infinitely more dangerous than walking.

A little poorer, and they'd be riding bicycles or walking. A little richer, and they'd be riding in their own individual seats in cars with seat belts fastened.

Ever been in Saigon ( HCMC) ?

You will see a LOT more motorbikes, but also a LOT LESS accidents.

It is just the lack of skulls to drive and the complete ignorance of safety, what causes all these accidents in Thailand.

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I had realised that Thailand has a bad road death record, but I had not expected it to be so high on a world scale.

They have been at number 3 for several years now with around 50 deaths a day, what I find laughable is how a big fuss is made about the 2 holiday periods and how dangerous they are, yet the figures shown are routinely less than the daily average.

Reducing the slaughter is not that difficult, get the police to do their jobs and stop people. Increase penalties for drunkenness and dangerous offenses and have a massive radio and TV campaign over a long period. Have experts appearing on a wide range of shows to make sure the message is getting across to everyone. Strict controls on public transportation, both drivers and buses. Having proper checks on vehicles in general would also help as there are far too many death traps on the roads. I routinely see large trucks and even buses "crabbing" down roads at high speed, it's so clear the drivers are struggling to control their vehicles properly, it's hardly surprising their are so many accidents. The police should not be stopping these vehicles, especially buses and prosecuting the owners.

It's not rocket science, just common sense and some education. However, it won't be easy given 26% of the population believe in fairies, the police are a complete joke, the politicians are too busy lining their pockets and drunk driving is not taken seriously by anyone. As someone who has driven/ridden extensively in 15 countries, from Europe to Africa and Asia, my current home, Cambodia, has the worst drivers I have ever seen. However, due to the state of the roads the speeds here are low, so I don't find it anywhere near as bad as Thailand, which for me is by far the most dangerous country I have driven/ridden in. Almost every journey I have taken in Thailand involves a close call or some total f^@%wit doing something insane.

However TIT.

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Last week the BBC had a program on about Vietnam and one part of it showed the presenter on the back of a Vespa look alike and behind him lots of other scooters and noticed that all the riders had helmets on.

Your point being?
That there Asian neighbor has managed to convince its citizens that wearing a helmet is a good idea.
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And yet, they're 5 chess moves ahead of a typical westerner in sizing up other people they meet, and their stature relative to those people, and how to best "manage" their relationship with other people.

And a Thai lady with a 4th grade education can take a university educated western guy for everything he has, and send him packing with nothing.

I can assure you, they are thinking. 100% of the time. Different than you and I think, perhaps, but in a manner that fits the requirements of their society- not the one we left back home.

Sure the locals think and the proverbial farmers daughter is indeed quite skilled in separating some western fool from his money and send him packing.

But that's not the whole story...

I put it down to selfishness and a healthy dose of they simply don't care.

Now lets hear from all the Thai apologists and their reasoning: "Traffic accidents happen in every country, so we shouldn't object to a drunken driver grinding us into the pavement..."

I think the statistics were flawed and Thailand is actually one of the safest countries to drive in :)

Yeah, that's the ticket whistling.gif

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It's difficult not to reconcile the fact that life here is cheap with the behavior of many road users. Most car drivers were at some point in time motorcyclists, yet seem ambivalent to the danger they present to motorcycles. Speed, alcohol, drugs, fatigue, poor road awareness and concentration are the major contributors to road accidents the world over. A third place for Thailand, they've made it to the playoffs.

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Last week the BBC had a program on about Vietnam and one part of it showed the presenter on the back of a Vespa look alike and behind him lots of other scooters and noticed that all the riders had helmets on.

Your point being?
That there Asian neighbor has managed to convince its citizens that wearing a helmet is a good idea.

No, the man who owned the helmet manufacturing company was also a politician, so in passing the law he made millions. (So i have been told)

How many accidents have been stopped / prevented by helmets?

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The majority of road accidents in LOS is due to a lack of "cognitive reasoning" and "common sense" in the gray matter located between Thai ears.

Nope.

You generally get all the safety you can afford... Putting it down to "cognitive reasoning" is pretty racist, huh?

The vast majority of the carnage on Thai roads is due to economic conditions that put so many Thais on motorcycles- which are 20-30x more dangerous per km than a car, and (almost) infinitely more dangerous than walking.

A little poorer, and they'd be riding bicycles or walking. A little richer, and they'd be riding in their own individual seats in cars with seat belts fastened.

And saying it's all because of Thai's riding m/cycles is pretty Bikist I'd say... it's not the M/bikes causing the accidents it's the Car/truck/Bus drivers who are driving around like lunatics smashing into the M/bikes, bicycles, & pedestrians all over Thailand...

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The majority of road accidents in LOS is due to a lack of "cognitive reasoning" and "common sense" in the gray matter located between Thai ears.

Nope.

You generally get all the safety you can afford... Putting it down to "cognitive reasoning" is pretty racist, huh?

The vast majority of the carnage on Thai roads is due to economic conditions that put so many Thais on motorcycles- which are 20-30x more dangerous per km than a car, and (almost) infinitely more dangerous than walking.

A little poorer, and they'd be riding bicycles or walking. A little richer, and they'd be riding in their own individual seats in cars with seat belts fastened.

I have never read so much <deleted>...so all the idiots who ride the WRONG WAY (cars and bikes) are not to blame, the fools who undertake in Cars bus's and trucks are not to blame , the donkeys that make instant uturns in 6 wheel trucks are not to blame and the flat heads who drive bus's with 1 foot on the brake are well .....not to blame ....

Yes I have to agree this is nonsensical post claiming that economics are to blame. What tomfoolery and fockwitery are you thinking man? Many Thais drive like idiots (there are also many good and careful ones), and there is no law enforcement to stop them.

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The majority of road accidents in LOS is due to a lack of "cognitive reasoning" and "common sense" in the gray matter located between Thai ears.

Nope.

You generally get all the safety you can afford... Putting it down to "cognitive reasoning" is pretty racist, huh?

The vast majority of the carnage on Thai roads is due to economic conditions that put so many Thais on motorcycles- which are 20-30x more dangerous per km than a car, and (almost) infinitely more dangerous than walking.

A little poorer, and they'd be riding bicycles or walking. A little richer, and they'd be riding in their own individual seats in cars with seat belts fastened.

I have never read so much <deleted>...so all the idiots who ride the WRONG WAY (cars and bikes) are not to blame, the fools who undertake in Cars bus's and trucks are not to blame , the donkeys that make instant uturns in 6 wheel trucks are not to blame and the flat heads who drive bus's with 1 foot on the brake are well .....not to blame ....

Total agree with the above answer, all the Thai need is common sense on the streets. Try to count the drivers on motor cycles that are calling and even texting ( those are the ones you can see, the ones in the cars and trucks not, because of the dark windows )

The majority of Thai people need common sense everywhere, not just on the streets. If the Thais had the same level of common sense as most Western countries, then Thailand would be near the best country in the world.

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And yet, they're 5 chess moves ahead of a typical westerner in sizing up other people they meet, and their stature relative to those people, and how to best "manage" their relationship with other people.

And a Thai lady with a 4th grade education can take a university educated western guy for everything he has, and send him packing with nothing.

I can assure you, they are thinking. 100% of the time. Different than you and I think, perhaps, but in a manner that fits the requirements of their society- not the one we left back home.

Sure the locals think and the proverbial farmers daughter is indeed quite skilled in separating some western fool from his money and send him packing.

But that's not the whole story...

I put it down to selfishness and a healthy dose of they simply don't care.

Now lets hear from all the Thai apologists and their reasoning: "Traffic accidents happen in every country, so we shouldn't object to a drunken driver grinding us into the pavement..."

I think the statistics were flawed and Thailand is actually one of the safest countries to drive in smile.png

Yeah, that's the ticket whistling.gif

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Last week the BBC had a program on about Vietnam and one part of it showed the presenter on the back of a Vespa look alike and behind him lots of other scooters and noticed that all the riders had helmets on.

Your point being?
That there Asian neighbor has managed to convince its citizens that wearing a helmet is a good idea.

No, the man who owned the helmet manufacturing company was also a politician, so in passing the law he made millions. (So i have been told)

How many accidents have been stopped / prevented by helmets?

None of course.

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And yet, they're 5 chess moves ahead of a typical westerner in sizing up other people they meet, and their stature relative to those people, and how to best "manage" their relationship with other people.

And a Thai lady with a 4th grade education can take a university educated western guy for everything he has, and send him packing with nothing.

I can assure you, they are thinking. 100% of the time. Different than you and I think, perhaps, but in a manner that fits the requirements of their society- not the one we left back home.

Sure the locals think and the proverbial farmers daughter is indeed quite skilled in separating some western fool from his money and send him packing.

But that's not the whole story...

I put it down to selfishness and a healthy dose of they simply don't care.

Now lets hear from all the Thai apologists and their reasoning: "Traffic accidents happen in every country, so we shouldn't object to a drunken driver grinding us into the pavement..."

I think the statistics were flawed and Thailand is actually one of the safest countries to drive in smile.png

Yeah, that's the ticket whistling.gif

What???? Don't you notice all those halfwits driving and riding on the wrong side of the road? One time a guy on a motorbike was riding on the wrong side of the road towards me, he was on the narrow hard shoulder of a two way main road, when I saw him I slowed down to almost walking pace, but refused to move out, if I did then I ran the risk of getting hit by overtaking traffic. he rode past me and came right of his bike, how I loved that. Som nam na.

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The majority of road accidents in LOS is due to a lack of "cognitive reasoning" and "common sense" in the gray matter located between Thai ears.

Nope.

You generally get all the safety you can afford... Putting it down to "cognitive reasoning" is pretty racist, huh?

The vast majority of the carnage on Thai roads is due to economic conditions that put so many Thais on motorcycles- which are 20-30x more dangerous per km than a car, and (almost) infinitely more dangerous than walking.

A little poorer, and they'd be riding bicycles or walking. A little richer, and they'd be riding in their own individual seats in cars with seat belts fastened.

And saying it's all because of Thai's riding m/cycles is pretty Bikist I'd say... it's not the M/bikes causing the accidents it's the Car/truck/Bus drivers who are driving around like lunatics smashing into the M/bikes, bicycles, & pedestrians all over Thailand...

I'm not claiming the scooter riders are at fault. I'm claiming that international studies show scooters to be 20-30x more deadly per km driven than a 4 wheel vehicle. Simple physics is "at fault". Lots of steel, 4 doors and a roof are pretty good to have around you in an accident.

Since the vast majority of vehicles in Thailand are scooters, and there are a lot of scooters per 100,000 population, it's not surprising that there are a lot of fatalities per 100,000 population. If they listed deaths per 100,000 scooters, or deaths per 100,000,000 miles driven, the numbers could look very different.

As for crazy scooter riders, here's a thought exercise: Envision the 126 scooters lined up in front of the cars at the red light at Asok Junction at rush hour. Now, in your mind, take those same 126 scooters and line them up 1x1 or 2x2 as they'd be required to line up if they were in California or (I assume) London. Now, look back at how far your line of sane and legal scooters (mixed in with the cars and trucks and buses) stretches. And now, turn that light green and mentally count how many minutes it takes to clear that 1/2 mile line of cars, trucks, buses and those legal, sane scooters through your green light.

That should go a long way to explain why they don't drive scooters here like they do back home. And I'll be leaving Bangkok the day they decide to make them.

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