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Ridicule the North and Isaan as much as you like, but a separation would likel result in these regions prospering, whereas the South would likely decline. There are close ties with Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and China in the North. The South simply has tourism and a problem with Muslim insurgents. A lot of industry around Bangkok would likely relocate to the North.

You mean all those big money sponsors of Suthep will move to be ruled by the Shins and the foreign companies that located on the eastern seaboard for the port will move to land locked state of corruption and deal with the Shins ?

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" The Post quoted Supon, a former policeman as saying "The majority of redshirts really like the idea of a separate state. If they stage a coup, we can live without Bangkok."

Yeah right. Then you will end up like other land locked metropolis' such as Loas, Afghanistan, South Sudan etc etc wink.png

Are you sure? According to the last election results, it seems to me that Bangkok would be the almost land locked metropolis in such a scenario. Even the entire North East of Bangkok is red:

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What is wrong with you man! Posting a photo from 3 years ago and making it seem like this is the present situation

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And that those votes are from the Esarn factory workers. Not the people who employ.

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The friendliest people, the prettiest girls and a better quality expat live in the North and North East. Foreign investment would be relocate there due to the low risk of flooding and good communications with Lao. Already many companies are moving to Khon Kaen and the Chinese are buying land like like it was going out of fashion. Without the racist Democrats (ha ha) a better relationship would be forged with Cambodia. The North and North East would retain its land of smiles. The South would be run by corrupt nationalists, where everyone is fighting to get to the trough.

Not just the Chinese snapping up land, Mr Yim, have you seen the thousands of Bangkokians buying a safe-haven up here to give them somewhere to escape the collapse of the South?

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To the Northeast, the spoils'

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Thai manufacturers such as CP All Plc, Thai Beverage Plc and Siam Cement,plus foreign firms with Thai plants such as Panasonic Corp, Kraft Foods Group Inc and Fraser and Neave Ltd are gravitating towards the Northeast." If you look at all corporations- every single large-cap out there-they don't talk about Bangkok anymore. They talk about provincials," said Patrick Chang, head of Asean equity for BNP Paribas Investment Partners." The sexy stuff is the provincial urbanisation and the way it impacts consumption"

Well from the above it indicates that the Bangkok Elite are scared really scared of losing their grip in Thailand.

The floods have shown how vulnerable Bangkok is as a Capital City, talk was floated around forgive the pun of Korat or Khon Kaen being the next Capital.

So the Reds have a point but for a different reason not just the stronghold connection

Independence is a fairly difficult road to plan out but a civilised referendum is out of the box for the moment due to the moody guards.

Tough times ahead with the really big question on every one's mind where is the true allegiance going to lie in the coming years

Some very sound points there,Gerry, maybe if a few of the more idiotic and vile would-be-hi-so Bangkok posters were to open their eyes and look beyond the shallow tinsel of Bkk they would be less inclined to sneer at the citizens of the new North Thailand. I believe it would be hard to find a more corrupt civil administration of any city in Thailand than the BMA.

Do look at that map of the 2011 election result. N.Thailand would encompass the entire North and East of Thailand, right down to the industrial seaboard. Nothing landlocked at all about that, quite the opposite in fact, Bangkok will be isolated in its little enclave of slowly subsiding squalor, and do you think you'll ever going to be able to get away with flooding N, Thailand for months just to save your shopping malls and the laughable CBD.

No, the future would be pretty grim for the poor sods in S. Thailand. Ruled by the glorious amart, denied the basics of democracy by petty warlord famillies such as Sutheps clan, with an endless civil war rumbling away in the Deep South!

Sadly, some day soon the inevitable will happen, and I believe it will dim the fervour with which the rest of the population now bow down to Bangkok. The elite know this too, and they know they have a very short time left to destroy PTP if they are to ever to regain their iron grip on this fair country.

The elite the amarts pppfff, anyhow. Only cities that have a port nearby have the potential to be successful. Especially in export oriented Thailand.

Producing goods in Chiangmai and send them by train/truck to the ports in either Sattahip, LCB or Bangkok. Yeaah that will work. Keep on dreaming. Fact is that most tax is paid by companies and people in Democrat strongholds.

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"We are not afraid. All the red groups will unite. We are willing to sacrifice our lives," said Kawang, president of the alumni association of Yupparaj school in Chiang Mai where Yingluck was once a student.

I do recall events in 2010. The redshirt leaders were the first people to run and hide...when the army moved in...and no tanks were involved then.

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A split won't happen. Doesn't anyone -including red and yellow protesters, but also the majority of posters here- understand this conflict is not about Thaksin or Suthep or the mysterious elite? It's about China versus USA over power in the entire Southeast Asia. A split Thailand would ruin both Chinese and US plans for the region.

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" The Post quoted Supon, a former policeman as saying "The majority of redshirts really like the idea of a separate state. If they stage a coup, we can live without Bangkok."

Yeah right. Then you will end up like other land locked metropolis' such as Loas, Afghanistan, South Sudan etc etc wink.png

what about my 30 rai of rubber trees??

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The North and Eastern Thailand per capita earn the lowest amount of money in the whole nation.

Economic growth in Issan reached 40 percent from 2007 to 2011, against 23 percent for the country and just 17 percent for greater Bangkok.

The diffference in wealth now in marginal or non existent from the South.Dont necessarily disagree with your other point.

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Sadly enough this might be the only solution.

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That might be a sensible solution, but that decision must be a process of amicability, showing a good will and peaceable activities.

If not done via amicability then there will be severe economic, commercial, and financial problems chiefly in the North, because Bangkok is the major city in Thailand in all the above aspects including politics.

Bangkok is very much like London (UK) capital and Paris (France) capital who control their country entirely in economic, commercial, and financial aspects, and also entirely in politics, but they are democratic and public elections by voters are always accepted

German capital Berlin has not the same power, because Germany consist of 16 states and this was done after ww2 with total political approval of all parties, and this is successful aspect.

The country of Thailand should not be cut in half like Korea, thus in order to solve the existing political problems they should copy the democratic position of other countries and create states within Thailand, either two states North & South, or two additional states East and West.

Then the Thailand political capital could be anywhere, chiefly Bangkok or Chiang Mai, this will then end the outstanding long lasting political problems in Thailand.

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Sadly enough this might be the only solution.

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Be impossible to achieve and will never happen, comical one must admit. The North and Eastern Thailand per capita earn the lowest amount of money in the whole nation. So you seriously think Thaksin wants to eat sticky rice, somtum and roast chicken? I think not. The money is in Bangkok and that is where it will stay, there has been a notable shift in government offices and infrastructure built though in Konkaen which is interesting, though this is only due to ASEAN and AEC starting in less then a year. Sorry to shoot this one down guys and gals, but think of it from a fiscal and trading view point, it is simply not feasible.

I totally agree this would be impossible to achieve, without the tacit support of China. I sincerely hope I am away with the fairies even giving such a thought due consideration.

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Great concept; there will be 2 nations:

1. Thailand (Land of Smiles)

2. Thaksinland (Land of endless Regrets)

and with a bit of imagination, we'll hand the Southern most 3 little states back to the Pattanians, which will instantly solve that bloody problem and then everyone can be live happily ever after . . . . . . . . .

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Duuuuuh ! ! ! ! ! !

Yes all that foreign investment is just DIEING to go up to landlocked Thaksinland

and pay import and export duties to Thailand to get their products to the sea.

Or pay their much loved and respected neighbors the Burmese for transport.

Such a wonderfully workable solution to your leaders utter intransigence.

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The Confederate Provinces of Thailand...capital Chiang Mai. The Confederate States of America with their capital in Richmond Virginia tried a similar approach about 150 years ago during the American Civil War--the new capital thing didn't work out.

Where will Americas next capital be after the civil war?? Sacramento on the left coast and the national anthem will be la cucaracha la cucaracha hahaha

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The friendliest people, the prettiest girls and a better quality expat live in the North and North East. Foreign investment would be relocate there due to the low risk of flooding and good communications with Lao. Already many companies are moving to Khon Kaen and the Chinese are buying land like like it was going out of fashion. Without the racist Democrats (ha ha) a better relationship would be forged with Cambodia. The North and North East would retain its land of smiles. The South would be run by corrupt nationalists, where everyone is fighting to get to the trough.

Sorry but the Chinese can’t legally buy land… next.coffee1.gif

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put yourselves in the shoes of people from isaan for example.....Each time your democratically elected government by huge majority gets overthrown by upperclass coups, then surely your logical course of action would be to want autonomy.

Could you explain this matter to the people in the most southern part of the kingdom, who were killed by Thaksin's orders, they wanted the same…..

yes this is also true........

in conclusion thailand is a cobbled together union of peoples who dont want to be together.......

the southern thai provinces would rather unite with malay as they once were, while issan would rather be united to laos with whom they share a common history

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Sadly enough this might be the only solution.

XS9Ji4U_zps1b03dc28.jpg

That might be a sensible solution, but that decision must be a process of amicability, showing a good will and peaceable activities.

If not done via amicability then there will be severe economic, commercial, and financial problems chiefly in the North, because Bangkok is the major city in Thailand in all the above aspects including politics.

Bangkok is very much like London (UK) capital and Paris (France) capital who control their country entirely in economic, commercial, and financial aspects, and also entirely in politics, but they are democratic and public elections by voters are always accepted

German capital Berlin has not the same power, because Germany consist of 16 states and this was done after ww2 with total political approval of all parties, and this is successful aspect.

The country of Thailand should not be cut in half like Korea, thus in order to solve the existing political problems they should copy the democratic position of other countries and create states within Thailand, either two states North & South, or two additional states East and West.

Then the Thailand political capital could be anywhere, chiefly Bangkok or Chiang Mai, this will then end the outstanding long lasting political problems in Thailand.

Not quite true for the UK anymore - with devolved parliaments in Scotland, Wales and NI - and a vote later this year for Scottish independence. Many things are now decided by those parliaments - only national (i.e. UK nation) and English matters go through London - there are actually complaints that England doesn't have a devolved parliament and have Welsh, Scots and NI politicians voting on English only policy!

Devolution can, and does, work. Unfortunately, there is not the will to do so here - no one wants to give up that much power and the masses simply have no concept of devolution or even state governance (other than the weak provincial governance they have here). State base autonomy would seriously help matters - but no politician is look for that as a solution as they at best leaves them with a smaller trough - and more oversight.

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Sadly enough this might be the only solution.

XS9Ji4U_zps1b03dc28.jpg

That might be a sensible solution, but that decision must be a process of amicability, showing a good will and peaceable activities.

If not done via amicability then there will be severe economic, commercial, and financial problems chiefly in the North, because Bangkok is the major city in Thailand in all the above aspects including politics.

Bangkok is very much like London (UK) capital and Paris (France) capital who control their country entirely in economic, commercial, and financial aspects, and also entirely in politics, but they are democratic and public elections by voters are always accepted

German capital Berlin has not the same power, because Germany consist of 16 states and this was done after ww2 with total political approval of all parties, and this is successful aspect.

The country of Thailand should not be cut in half like Korea, thus in order to solve the existing political problems they should copy the democratic position of other countries and create states within Thailand, either two states North & South, or two additional states East and West.

Then the Thailand political capital could be anywhere, chiefly Bangkok or Chiang Mai, this will then end the outstanding long lasting political problems in Thailand.

Not quite true for the UK anymore - with devolved parliaments in Scotland, Wales and NI - and a vote later this year for Scottish independence. Many things are now decided by those parliaments - only national (i.e. UK nation) and English matters go through London - there are actually complaints that England doesn't have a devolved parliament and have Welsh, Scots and NI politicians voting on English only policy!

Devolution can, and does, work. Unfortunately, there is not the will to do so here - no one wants to give up that much power and the masses simply have no concept of devolution or even state governance (other than the weak provincial governance they have here). State base autonomy would seriously help matters - but no politician is look for that as a solution as they at best leaves them with a smaller trough - and more oversight.

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" The Post quoted Supon, a former policeman as saying "The majority of redshirts really like the idea of a separate state. If they stage a coup, we can live without Bangkok."

Yeah right. Then you will end up like other land locked metropolis' such as Loas, Afghanistan, South Sudan etc etc wink.png

Are you sure? According to the last election results, it seems to me that Bangkok would be the almost land locked metropolis in such a scenario. Even the entire North East of Bangkok is red:

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From your OWN image: Bangkok results: Democrats 23, Pheu Thai 10

Not sure what you mean. If you read my original post, I said the ENTIRE NORTH EAST of Bangkok was red. See the little Mini Map in there? That's Bangkok. Right side = red.

So, we have over 30% of Bangkok red, plus over half the rest of the country.

Seems to me the only ones at risk of being land locked would be Bangkokians.

90%+ of the coastal areas are light blue, i.e., Democrat. And BKK is run by the army-backed Dems. How are you concluding that BKK is in danger of becoming landlocked if this farce of an idea actually panned out?

Edit: Additionally, if these numbers are still accurate, 70% of BKK isn't red.

Edit 2: Do you know what landlocked means? It means without access to coastline or ports. If the NE of BKK is red and they built a barrier similar to the Berlin Wall, then NE BKK wouldn't have access to water and thus be landlocked.

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