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my trip to Wat Dhammakaya

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Definately more like businessmen - I remember reading somewhere that Thaksin was a fellow traveller. That said theer was no request for money on the day I went - just a slightly sinister (maybe I'm just paranoid) feeling that I was being watched or followed. The donation centre is a four sided large booth in the main meditation centre surrounded by a host of ATM's . My feeling is the money goes to fund this insane vision and set of buildings rather than enriching corrupt individuals - just my hunch rather than any evidence.

I went expecting to hate them and find them despicable but if anything left just with my curiosity sated and a wonderment at how humans chhose to conduct their affairs and how bloated the human vision can become.

the main gate is a fortified steel structure that is on rails and would make a formidable defence if rolled into place. You get a sense they are already quite a power in Thailand and their reach and influence can only grow from here in. Nothing seems to be stopping their considerable growth both nationally and globally at the moment. I bet they would just love to get stuck into China if that was possible in the future.

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BEYOND INSANE ! Wish though I had gone on the 14th February to see it though.

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Fascinating place, fascinating report, and I will be taking up your suggestion to see this amazing place.

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Fascinating place, fascinating report, and I will be taking up your suggestion to see this amazing place.

Glad to hear it but just keep your wits about you and dont part with any money - think AMWAY and stay well away from getting involved - let us all know how you got on.

My wife and I have been told by many Thais, keep well away, avoid this places at all costs (no pun intended).

Have also been told, the poor need not bother applying.

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Fascinating place, fascinating report, and I will be taking up your suggestion to see this amazing place.

Glad to hear it but just keep your wits about you and dont part with any money - think AMWAY and stay well away from getting involved - let us all know how you got on.

This movement might turn out to be a vehicle which becomes very important in the future. Other vehicles such as Asoke, at this time, are too small and controversial. However; Dhammakaya really could, in time, float the boat.

Regardless of the financial aspect; I think the Dhammakaya movement is valid spiritually and it's self evident that Thai people get benefit from it.

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Fascinating place, fascinating report, and I will be taking up your suggestion to see this amazing place.

Glad to hear it but just keep your wits about you and dont part with any money - think AMWAY and stay well away from getting involved - let us all know how you got on.

This movement might turn out to be a vehicle which becomes very important in the future. Other vehicles such as Asoke, at this time, are too small and controversial. However; Dhammakaya really could, in time, float the boat.

Regardless of the financial aspect; I think the Dhammakaya movement is valid spiritually and it's self evident that Thai people get benefit from it.

. Could you explain your use of the word "vehicle?"

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Fascinating place, fascinating report, and I will be taking up your suggestion to see this amazing place.

Glad to hear it but just keep your wits about you and dont part with any money - think AMWAY and stay well away from getting involved - let us all know how you got on.

This movement might turn out to be a vehicle which becomes very important in the future. Other vehicles such as Asoke, at this time, are too small and controversial. However; Dhammakaya really could, in time, float the boat.

Regardless of the financial aspect; I think the Dhammakaya movement is valid spiritually and it's self evident that Thai people get benefit from it.

. Could you explain your use of the word "vehicle?"

Hmmm, I used the word vehicle differently when referring to Dhammakaya vs Asoke.

You know; It's better if I rephrase it all like this...

This movement might turn out to be a vehicle which becomes very important in the future direction of Thailand's religious foundation. Other movements such as Asoke, at this time, are too small and controversial to become vehicles that could hold a whole nation together. However; Dhammakaya really could, in time, float the boat.

Regardless of the financial aspect; I think the Dhammakaya movement is valid spiritually and it's self evident that Thai people get benefit from it.

Of course; Whilst Theravāda Buddhism is the current "de facto" religion in Thailand, If Dhammakaya became the "de facto" religion then there would have been a change and Dhammakaya would have to be called the vehicle.

Now; If you want to identify the driver of this vehicle then you're asking a very profound question about the nature of a nation's Dharma.

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Fascinating place, fascinating report, and I will be taking up your suggestion to see this amazing place.

Glad to hear it but just keep your wits about you and dont part with any money - think AMWAY and stay well away from getting involved - let us all know how you got on.

My wife and I have been told by many Thais, keep well away, avoid this places at all costs (no pun intended).

Have also been told, the poor need not bother applying.

You're right my wife and family refused to go with me and dropped me off inside the temple compound - that said they were staggered at the immensity of the structures inside. As to the followers they appear disciplined, meditative,well presented and the businesses which display Dhammakaya symbols look prosperous,well maintained and popular with customers. I have no doubt that folk who follow this path either already are or develop further these attributes which contribute to greater success in life. It is some sort of Buddhist inspired almost American evangelist type of think rich and grow prosperous.

I have less problem with them than I do with a host of temples that are brimful with amulet sellers,lottery tickets, clairvoyants and monks exhibiting less than appropriate behaviour as befits their position. Adherents once they are 'in' are expected to and no doubt willingly choose to make life changing behavioural choices and show great affinity with their temple and movement.

As to whether this is Buddhist or not I'll leave that judgement to better informed people than me but I have no doubt if the Buddha was to return he would be aghast at many of the perverse ways that are associated with his name (though being beyond such attachments that is my spin being projected ineptly onto his thoughts).

There is a power vaccuum opening up in Thailand as we see the sunset of a dynasty and I have no doubt that there are many highly placed Dhammakaya followers over a huge range of powerful positions that they will be a force to be reckoned with in this country in the years to come.

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You're right my wife and family refused to go with me and dropped me off inside the temple compound - that said they were staggered at the immensity of the structures inside. As to the followers they appear disciplined, meditative,well presented and the businesses which display Dhammakaya symbols look prosperous,well maintained and popular with customers. I have no doubt that folk who follow this path either already are or develop further these attributes which contribute to greater success in life. It is some sort of Buddhist inspired almost American evangelist type of think rich and grow prosperous.

I have less problem with them than I do with a host of temples that are brimful with amulet sellers,lottery tickets, clairvoyants and monks exhibiting less than appropriate behaviour as befits their position. Adherents once they are 'in' are expected to and no doubt willingly choose to make life changing behavioural choices and show great affinity with their temple and movement.

As to whether this is Buddhist or not I'll leave that judgement to better informed people than me but I have no doubt if the Buddha was to return he would be aghast at many of the perverse ways that are associated with his name (though being beyond such attachments that is my spin being projected ineptly onto his thoughts).

There is a power vaccuum opening up in Thailand as we see the sunset of a dynasty and I have no doubt that there are many highly placed Dhammakaya followers over a huge range of powerful positions that they will be a force to be reckoned with in this country in the years to come.

Hi

I think the comparison to Christian Evangelicals is particularly valid.

Having watched their TV channel, I found there was a lot of emphasis on heaven and hell, becoming an angel (if you pay enough) etc. It seemed to have the same carrot and stick aspect of Christian sects and Islamic fundamentalist groups which I reject for the same reason. I don't like the threats. Do what you're told or burn in hell. No thanks, good bye to that.

Graham

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I went there once and got followed around by some weirdo Englishman who wanted me to make a donation but not take any photos or ask any questions to anyone nor even speak to anyone....

When I found the wife, and expressed my desire to get out of this odd place, he tried leading me away from her until I told him she was my missus and if he didn't "jog on" I'd be forced to introduce his chin to Mr knuckle....

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I went there once and got followed around by some weirdo Englishman who wanted me to make a donation but not take any photos or ask any questions to anyone nor even speak to anyone....

When I found the wife, and expressed my desire to get out of this odd place, he tried leading me away from her until I told him she was my missus and if he didn't "jog on" I'd be forced to introduce his chin to Mr knuckle....

Seems like I got away with murder then - the two intercepts one from a girl in white and the second from a monk who came on the back of a motorbike and stopped me and suggested I went to the visitor centre (and then turned around and went back from whence he came) all seemed a little contrived and as I said as if they were watching me on the CCTV which they probably were. The comments from the tour guide was I a journalist or a writer suggests a certain level of unhealthy paranoia from outside unwarranted attention. This really is a 21st century equivalent of the pyramids though a lot less attractive and built on donations rather than slave labour.

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