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Work permit and visa without a degree?

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Can anyone give me any reliable, first hand information regarding how schools go about hiring teachers without a degree? I know that the rules say that it is necessary to have one, but I also know that many schools manage to 'legally' employ teachers that do not have the required credentials and also manage to get these employees their work permits etc.

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There're ways to go around the TCT, which would be a little change of the contract. Then you'd NOT be working as a teacher, but as a trainer, or teacher's assistant. Most schools do have their connections to the labor department and if they want to hire you, they will find a way to do so.

If that works out for you, you've got nothing to do with the Kurusapa in Bangkok.( TCT) Wish you best of luck, I'm also wondering why those guys, who're actually legally working as trainers, or whatsoever, don't write about their experiences.

C'Mon guys, how did it work out for you?-wai2.gif

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Often the department of Labour will provide work permits for trainers etc.

If you want to extend your visa based on employment though, immigration know about the trainer loophole people use, and they don't like to see people using it. At least in Amnat Charoen anyway, where I saw a "trainer" declined last time I was there.

When the Thai staff member started to argue, the immigration officer pretty much said to their Thai staff member (In Thai) "Recently a lot of schools have tried to do this. The dept of Labour isn't doing their job correctly, which is why we also check your documents. What you're trying to do is illegal, and I'm a police officer"

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We had a teacher who had a 4 year degree, but did not have a copy of it because he owed money to his school. He did, have an associate degree and transcript and he had a letter that he had attended the school for his Bachelor's. Without the degree and transcript, they would not give him the Work Permit. After some discussion, they agreed to list him as a teaching assistant for one year.

He was told his work permit would not be renewed without the Bachelor's degree. They remembered by the way, and he did get his bills paid and had the proper paperwork.

Our school was advised not to try it again, although it wasn't us who tried it....it was their suggestion.

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We had a teacher who had a 4 year degree, but did not have a copy of it because he owed money to his school. He did, have an associate degree and transcript and he had a letter that he had attended the school for his Bachelor's.

From Detroit? Blonde hair? He hasn't got a degree...sorry, back on topic.

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No, actually the person I am referring to is a non-native speaker and he was a subject teacher (not teaching English). His degree was authentic -- or one of the best and most complicated frauds I've seen. Because time was running out, our school had to contact his university to try to expedite the paperwork being sent.

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Oh, OK. But that 'my degree is being kept by another school/at my parents in Canada who I don't get on with/left at my old apartment in Hua Hin/I only have transcripts' is pretty old already.

I know teachers who work at a Satit school on the grounds of a large University who have work permits but don't have degrees. They have had no problems with paperwork. They are not Bangkok based however.

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Oh, OK. But that 'my degree is being kept by another school/at my parents in Canada who I don't get on with/left at my old apartment in Hua Hin/I only have transcripts' is pretty old already.

I know teachers who work at a Satit school on the grounds of a large University who have work permits but don't have degrees. They have had no problems with paperwork. They are not Bangkok based however.

Please be aware that some people here just buy a fake visa and work permit. I'd worked with a Brit and he didn't even give up when I'd told him to leave the country immediately. His statement was that he didn't wanted to lose his status.\

The nice guy at Phiboonmangsahan knew that there';s something wrong and he could leave Thailand, together with the proper paper work.

They'd forgotten to put the Ayuddhaja Immigration stamp on said visa. And the Brit was pretty ignorant.

Only my good relationship to the Immigration, plus our Thai head teacher had saved his arse. Unbelievable, but true. Was there and felt pretty bad.-wai2.gif

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Thanks for the replies, I appreciate the time taken.

I've been working for my school through an agency this year and now they say they are really happy with what I've done at the school and want me to stay and be employed directly by them. I'd be happy to do this as it would improve my contract in basically all areas and give me some (relative) stability. Of course now it's a problem because I don't have a degree and this coupled to the fact that the school has never hired a foreigner before means that both the school and I are pretty much at a loss as to how to go about it.

I'd never have even come to Thailand if the TEFL course correspondent had been completely honest with me in the email stage of my application and told me straight that it was impossible to work legally as a teacher in a school here without a degree. But now I'm here, well, in for a penny in for a pound and all that...

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Three things to keep in mind.

1) The agency you work with might have a paragraph in the employment contract with either you, the school or both, describing the non-competition agreement which prohibits you to work directly for the school for a certain period of time after finishing employment with the agency.

If your school is a basic education school

2) Immigration has adopted the requirements set by The Teachers' Council of Thailand since 2008

3) Labour has adopted requirements set by The Teachers' Council of Thailand since 2010

To comply with the requirements set by The Teachers' Council of Thailand i.e. holding a teacher license or provisional teaching permit, a teacher must hold a university degree.

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It'd probably be a good idea to check your contract with the agency, as they may have a restraint of trade clause in your contract, or it might be in the contract which the school has with the agency. As usually they don't allow teachers who were part of their agency, to be directly employed by the school (Else legal proceedings / fines can follow, or they may have a clause which allows the school to do so under certain conditions).

Either way, it'd be best to ensure that you're aware of any potential risks which you or your school might face.

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If you already have a visa and just want to teach English, there are many schools in the rural areas of Thailand who will hire native English speaking teachers full time or part time without a work permit or degree. You need to befriend a local Thai teacher and ask them to introduce you to the Principal of the school. Many schools want foreign English teachers but don't know how to find one and don't want to go through all the paperwork to formally get one through proper channels. Many schools have cash they can use to pay teachers without getting district approval. The cash comes from donations of the local people and the Principal has total control over how the money is used.

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Oh, OK. But that 'my degree is being kept by another school/at my parents in Canada who I don't get on with/left at my old apartment in Hua Hin/I only have transcripts' is pretty old already.

I know teachers who work at a Satit school on the grounds of a large University who have work permits but don't have degrees. They have had no problems with paperwork. They are not Bangkok based however.

Gotta love the parents in Canada who kept it for him, as they needed it more than he did/does. Sounds like a true story to me.Aeeh, no.-w00t.gif

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If you already have a visa and just want to teach English, there are many schools in the rural areas of Thailand who will hire native English speaking teachers full time or part time without a work permit or degree. You need to befriend a local Thai teacher and ask them to introduce you to the Principal of the school. Many schools want foreign English teachers but don't know how to find one and don't want to go through all the paperwork to formally get one through proper channels. Many schools have cash they can use to pay teachers without getting district approval. The cash comes from donations of the local people and the Principal has total control over how the money is used.

If he does have a Non-B it's chained to the agency, as they'd to come up with the needed documents for him, as well.

The part to befriend a Thai teacher is funny. How do you do that? Buy him a bottle of Regency?

The cash most schools have is coming from not really wanted donations from parents, some money from Bangkok for stuff that was never done.

Yep, the principal has total command of the cash, but would prefer to keep his Benz/ Lamborghini/ Lear Jet.

Agencies usually have a deal with the school that teachers provided by them are not allowed to work there for two years after the employment with the agency ends.

What do you mean with district approval? Seems that more and more labor departments are connected and try to stop the bypass being a trainer, but doing the same teaching job.

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Thanks again for the extra info.

I know my contract has a clause saying I'm not allowed to negotiate work with the school whilst I'm employed by the agency so I'll be careful not to do that. To be honest though from the sounds of things it's going to be a non starter anyway, shame.

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