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If you already have a visa and just want to teach English, there are many schools in the rural areas of Thailand who will hire native English speaking teachers full time or part time without a work permit or degree. You need to befriend a local Thai teacher and ask them to introduce you to the Principal of the school. Many schools want foreign English teachers but don't know how to find one and don't want to go through all the paperwork to formally get one through proper channels. Many schools have cash they can use to pay teachers without getting district approval. The cash comes from donations of the local people and the Principal has total control over how the money is used.

If he does have a Non-B it's chained to the agency, as they'd to come up with the needed documents for him, as well.

The part to befriend a Thai teacher is funny. How do you do that? Buy him a bottle of Regency?

The cash most schools have is coming from not really wanted donations from parents, some money from Bangkok for stuff that was never done.

Yep, the principal has total command of the cash, but would prefer to keep his Benz/ Lamborghini/ Lear Jet.

Agencies usually have a deal with the school that teachers provided by them are not allowed to work there for two years after the employment with the agency ends.

What do you mean with district approval? Seems that more and more labor departments are connected and try to stop the bypass being a trainer, but doing the same teaching job.

District approval probably means a letter from the education area office, required by labour and immigration, besides a letter from the school director.

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Thanks again for the extra info.

I know my contract has a clause saying I'm not allowed to negotiate work with the school whilst I'm employed by the agency so I'll be careful not to do that. To be honest though from the sounds of things it's going to be a non starter anyway, shame.

. I've met quite a few guys here who were planning to start to work for the school directly.

Agencies usually have a contract with their schools that they're not allowed to hire anybody who works for same agency.It's possible that their contract's stating, that you can't be hired before a two year break.

Most school directors don't go that way, once they believe something could happen.They don't wanna bite the hand that's feeding them.

Best would be to find a decent school that doesn't have foreigners who work for agencies.

A pretty good time to look for a job is now. Good luck.- wai2.gif

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Well done, you must be doing well.

But you have to ask yourself why does the school want to take you from the agency and how will you benefit.

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Well done, you must be doing well.

But you have to ask yourself why does the school want to take you from the agency and how will you benefit.

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Seems that they like his teaching. The benefits of direct employment are outstanding. A 12 months contract with Thai social security, more rights than being just a number at an agency.

Last, but not least, agencies pretty often lose their contracts with schools. A real chance to settle down, if you like the area. And a lot of more reasons.

I remember a guy criticising me making less money a month, but when I made my math, i had a higher salary over the period of a year, as I get paid

through.

And less headaches regarding all the other stuff.

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Yes and I hope that would be so .. The guy has worked hard and they want to keep him for the long run, give him further benefits.

But maybe they are looking swerve the agency commision, extract a little more work for their money, perhaps change the rota. Just everything needs to be considered before breaking a contract and possibly landing yourself in trouble with the agency.

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I have met a few people who have worked for agencies. They liked moving around and experiencing different places and schools. It would get old after a while, I would think.

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My school pretend the guy works only "part time". (For this, they wouldn't let him other "foreign teachers'" book). But truth be told, he worked full time as a teacher while making 5,000 Baht less.

  • B-Visa and the getting the WP was easy.
  • At Immigration, they were there for hours. But that hurdle was cleared as well. The guy had only a high school diploma.

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My school pretend the guy works only "part time". (For this, they wouldn't let him other "foreign teachers'" book). But truth be told, he worked full time as a teacher while making 5,000 Baht less.

  • B-Visa and the getting the WP was easy.
  • At Immigration, they were there for hours. But that hurdle was cleared as well. The guy had only a high school diploma.

Glad that he didn't smoke it. Meant the high school diploma..

The question was if it's possible to work with the right type of visa and a work permit. Just in my opinion, it might be easier when never taught in Thailand before to become an assistant. or Trainer. Only in the contract.Once accepted at a good school and you're in.

Once you've had both waivers and then applying for a job as a trainer, or assistant might raise many eyebrows.

I've met a few guys in Thailand and came to the conclusion that some guys only having a high school diploma did a better job than others having a BA in engineering, or a lifetime degree in shuttling the space.\-thumbsup.gif

It all depends on the labor department and of course the Immigration. Nothing is impossible.-wai2.gif

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An update for this thread:

The school, after plenty of dillying and dallying have finally decided that they can't afford to pay me after all. This seems strange to me as they currently pay the agency significantly more than they would have to pay me (I'd be happy with my current salary if they gave me a twelve month contract), and if I'm honest I think they've either hit a stumbling block or just decided it's too difficult and used the money as an excuse to back out without losing too much face.

I'm a little disappointed because I was looking forward to the better deal that the school would have been able to offer me, but I guess I may have dodged a bullet in as much as the school has no experience of how to handle foreign employees and I could see some problems arising down the line. Not least of these problems would be the fact the school director doesn't know her elbow from her... well, you know. Seriously, she's 50 and she sends me those stupid line picture emoticon things saying that she loves me and also does that 'index finger and thumb on the chin' pose that most of my kids do in photo's. Professional conduct I think not. Anyway, that's for another discussion...

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An update for this thread:

The school, after plenty of dillying and dallying have finally decided that they can't afford to pay me after all. This seems strange to me as they currently pay the agency significantly more than they would have to pay me (I'd be happy with my current salary if they gave me a twelve month contract), and if I'm honest I think they've either hit a stumbling block or just decided it's too difficult and used the money as an excuse to back out without losing too much face.

I'm a little disappointed because I was looking forward to the better deal that the school would have been able to offer me, but I guess I may have dodged a bullet in as much as the school has no experience of how to handle foreign employees and I could see some problems arising down the line. Not least of these problems would be the fact the school director doesn't know her elbow from her... well, you know. Seriously, she's 50 and she sends me those stupid line picture emoticon things saying that she loves me and also does that 'index finger and thumb on the chin' pose that most of my kids do in photo's. Professional conduct I think not. Anyway, that's for another discussion...

Seems to be pretty obvious, why they'd made such a decision. It's not about not knowing how to hire a foreigner, what documents are needed, etc.

I've got all documents in office word format, in Thai and in English, on my computer, as I had to give these files to another teacher.

All to make a visa run, contracts, etc.....I could theoretically make a new business and sell them. ( Sorry, was just kidding)

As you're ( or had) working for an agency, they were not really aware that a BA in any field is required by TCT and labor. Then the problem with the agency, as just thinking about an upcoming problem in form of a fine.

Seems that they'll continue with the agency and the director with her "childish behavior", ( sorry but I don't see something wrong with it, as I'm also sometimes acting like that, when making jokes. Does age prevent you of acting funny?)

She'll have a free paid holiday somewhere in Europe, or the States. Then some pocket money for Khun Somchai in the financial office, plus other "presents' that keep their "relationship" up.

Why don't you look for a school that would hire you being not a teacher, but a XXX? Good luck.-wai2.gif

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Seems to be pretty obvious, why they'd made such a decision. It's not about not knowing how to hire a foreigner, what documents are needed, etc.

I've got all documents in office word format, in Thai and in English, on my computer, as I had to give these files to another teacher.

All to make a visa run, contracts, etc.....I could theoretically make a new business and sell them. ( Sorry, was just kidding)

As you're ( or had) working for an agency, they were not really aware that a BA in any field is required by TCT and labor. Then the problem with the agency, as just thinking about an upcoming problem in form of a fine.

Seems that they'll continue with the agency and the director with her "childish behavior", ( sorry but I don't see something wrong with it, as I'm also sometimes acting like that, when making jokes. Does age prevent you of acting funny?)

She'll have a free paid holiday somewhere in Europe, or the States. Then some pocket money for Khun Somchai in the financial office, plus other "presents' that keep their "relationship" up.

Why don't you look for a school that would hire you being not a teacher, but a XXX? Good luck.-wai2.gif

Just out of interest, what do you think it's about then if not the 'not knowing how' thing?

And on the director, I can't really explain it properly but if you spent any length of time having to deal with her you'd understand why I think she is an incompetent buffoon. The examples I gave may seem trivial but they are just a couple of things about her that get on my tits when I'm trying to do my job. No professionalism.

I did try persuading them to hire me as a 'language development assistant' or some such similar bull---- title but they didn't really seem to warm to the idea. I like the school and the students are great, I don't want to step into the unknown again and end up with a slightly better contract but a much worse job. I'll probably stick it out with the agency for another year and push for a bit more cash from them.

Thanks for the good luck message. :)

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Seems to be pretty obvious, why they'd made such a decision. It's not about not knowing how to hire a foreigner, what documents are needed, etc.

I've got all documents in office word format, in Thai and in English, on my computer, as I had to give these files to another teacher.

All to make a visa run, contracts, etc.....I could theoretically make a new business and sell them. ( Sorry, was just kidding)

As you're ( or had) working for an agency, they were not really aware that a BA in any field is required by TCT and labor. Then the problem with the agency, as just thinking about an upcoming problem in form of a fine.

Seems that they'll continue with the agency and the director with her "childish behavior", ( sorry but I don't see something wrong with it, as I'm also sometimes acting like that, when making jokes. Does age prevent you of acting funny?)

She'll have a free paid holiday somewhere in Europe, or the States. Then some pocket money for Khun Somchai in the financial office, plus other "presents' that keep their "relationship" up.

Why don't you look for a school that would hire you being not a teacher, but a XXX? Good luck.-wai2.gif

Just out of interest, what do you think it's about then if not the 'not knowing how' thing?

And on the director, I can't really explain it properly but if you spent any length of time having to deal with her you'd understand why I think she is an incompetent buffoon. The examples I gave may seem trivial but they are just a couple of things about her that get on my tits when I'm trying to do my job. No professionalism.

I did try persuading them to hire me as a 'language development assistant' or some such similar bull---- title but they didn't really seem to warm to the idea. I like the school and the students are great, I don't want to step into the unknown again and end up with a slightly better contract but a much worse job. I'll probably stick it out with the agency for another year and push for a bit more cash from them.

Thanks for the good luck message. smile.png

Sorry, but I haven't met too many "intelligent directors" yet. Such a position is usually bought. At bigger schools in cities around 3 million ++

Wouldn't you think that such a director wouldn't know anybody who knows it?

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This seems strange to me as they currently pay the agency significantly more than they would have to pay me (I'd be happy with my current salary if they gave me a twelve month contract), and if I'm honest I think they've either hit a stumbling block or just decided it's too difficult and used the money as an excuse to back out without losing too much face.

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Why teach? You can make more money just working for yourself without the headache - a lot of foreigners have businesses outside of Thailand which they operate remotely (no work permit required contrary what anyone else says), and at the end of the day if you keep it to yourself no one would ever know. You can download a free ebook at http://howtomakemoneyinthailand.com which will give you a few pointers - a little careful thinking and some hard work and you can make some decent cash without having to work in a Thai school

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