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If flight MH370 did indeed follow the path suggested by Imarat's Satellite data. Then just as Malaysian Military monitored the flight making U-Turn and its flight Back Across the Malaysian peninsula... Why has there been no comment from Singapore or Indonesian Military... Remember this was an unknown object entering their Airspace...

MH370 was monitored by Malaysian Military Radar after it officially went silent to other sources. So it was 100% Detectable here (If it was indeed on this path...) Same with Thailand, was first an object being Monitored reported then dismissed. There has been complete silence by all Military involved in War Games in Thailand that were being conducted at this very time. Ships, Air Bases and Aircraft would have 100% Visibility at this time. Why the Silence?

For one, I believe Aircraft was never in Singapore's or Indonesian Air Space, or if contacted... no answer it would have been shot down. It was referenced in Thai Air Space... Then Hushed up, only reported when firmly questioned. By that time it would have exited and continued its flight. North...

Close but no prize, it went west to Diego Garcia, only the "exceptional" ones could pull this off!

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If flight MH370 did indeed follow the path suggested by Imarat's Satellite data. Then just as Malaysian Military monitored the flight making U-Turn and its flight Back Across the Malaysian peninsula... Why has there been no comment from Singapore or Indonesian Military... Remember this was an unknown object entering their Airspace...

MH370 was monitored by Malaysian Military Radar after it officially went silent to other sources. So it was 100% Detectable here (If it was indeed on this path...) Same with Thailand, was first an object being Monitored reported then dismissed. There has been complete silence by all Military involved in War Games in Thailand that were being conducted at this very time. Ships, Air Bases and Aircraft would have 100% Visibility at this time. Why the Silence?

For one, I believe Aircraft was never in Singapore's or Indonesian Air Space, or if contacted... no answer it would have been shot down. It was referenced in Thai Air Space... Then Hushed up, only reported when firmly questioned. By that time it would have exited and continued its flight. North...

Close but no prize, it went west to Diego Garcia, only the "exceptional" ones could pull this off!

You sound very sure on that. Would you mind sharing your own personal research that led you to that conclusion?

And by research I don't mean other people's YouTube vids or theories copy and pasted from conspiracy websites. I want actual facts that you have uncovered by yourself to draw this conclusion.

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If flight MH370 did indeed follow the path suggested by Imarat's Satellite data. Then just as Malaysian Military monitored the flight making U-Turn and its flight Back Across the Malaysian peninsula... Why has there been no comment from Singapore or Indonesian Military... Remember this was an unknown object entering their Airspace...

MH370 was monitored by Malaysian Military Radar after it officially went silent to other sources. So it was 100% Detectable here (If it was indeed on this path...) Same with Thailand, was first an object being Monitored reported then dismissed. There has been complete silence by all Military involved in War Games in Thailand that were being conducted at this very time. Ships, Air Bases and Aircraft would have 100% Visibility at this time. Why the Silence?

For one, I believe Aircraft was never in Singapore's or Indonesian Air Space, or if contacted... no answer it would have been shot down. It was referenced in Thai Air Space... Then Hushed up, only reported when firmly questioned. By that time it would have exited and continued its flight. North...

Close but no prize, it went west to Diego Garcia, only the "exceptional" ones could pull this off!

You sound very sure on that. Would you mind sharing your own personal research that led you to that conclusion?

And by research I don't mean other people's YouTube vids or theories copy and pasted from conspiracy websites. I want actual facts that you have uncovered by yourself to draw this conclusion.

Who stands to gain?

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If flight MH370 did indeed follow the path suggested by Imarat's Satellite data. Then just as Malaysian Military monitored the flight making U-Turn and its flight Back Across the Malaysian peninsula... Why has there been no comment from Singapore or Indonesian Military... Remember this was an unknown object entering their Airspace...

MH370 was monitored by Malaysian Military Radar after it officially went silent to other sources. So it was 100% Detectable here (If it was indeed on this path...) Same with Thailand, was first an object being Monitored reported then dismissed. There has been complete silence by all Military involved in War Games in Thailand that were being conducted at this very time. Ships, Air Bases and Aircraft would have 100% Visibility at this time. Why the Silence?

For one, I believe Aircraft was never in Singapore's or Indonesian Air Space, or if contacted... no answer it would have been shot down. It was referenced in Thai Air Space... Then Hushed up, only reported when firmly questioned. By that time it would have exited and continued its flight. North...

Close but no prize, it went west to Diego Garcia, only the "exceptional" ones could pull this off!

You sound very sure on that. Would you mind sharing your own personal research that led you to that conclusion?

And by research I don't mean other people's YouTube vids or theories copy and pasted from conspiracy websites. I want actual facts that you have uncovered by yourself to draw this conclusion.

Who stands to gain?

That's it? That's all you got? Somebody, the way you see it, "stands to gain"? Sheesh. ROFL. Now there's scientific method for ya'!

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If flight MH370 did indeed follow the path suggested by Imarat's Satellite data. Then just as Malaysian Military monitored the flight making U-Turn and its flight Back Across the Malaysian peninsula... Why has there been no comment from Singapore or Indonesian Military... Remember this was an unknown object entering their Airspace...

MH370 was monitored by Malaysian Military Radar after it officially went silent to other sources. So it was 100% Detectable here (If it was indeed on this path...) Same with Thailand, was first an object being Monitored reported then dismissed. There has been complete silence by all Military involved in War Games in Thailand that were being conducted at this very time. Ships, Air Bases and Aircraft would have 100% Visibility at this time. Why the Silence?

For one, I believe Aircraft was never in Singapore's or Indonesian Air Space, or if contacted... no answer it would have been shot down. It was referenced in Thai Air Space... Then Hushed up, only reported when firmly questioned. By that time it would have exited and continued its flight. North...


Close but no prize, it went west to Diego Garcia, only the "exceptional" ones could pull this off!


You sound very sure on that. Would you mind sharing your own personal research that led you to that conclusion?

And by research I don't mean other people's YouTube vids or theories copy and pasted from conspiracy websites. I want actual facts that you have uncovered by yourself to draw this conclusion.

Who stands to gain?




That's it? That's all you got? Somebody, the way you see it, "stands to gain"? Sheesh. ROFL. Now there's scientific method for ya'!


There's lot's more on the web, if you're too lazy to look up to you.

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If flight MH370 did indeed follow the path suggested by Imarat's Satellite data. Then just as Malaysian Military monitored the flight making U-Turn and its flight Back Across the Malaysian peninsula... Why has there been no comment from Singapore or Indonesian Military... Remember this was an unknown object entering their Airspace...

MH370 was monitored by Malaysian Military Radar after it officially went silent to other sources. So it was 100% Detectable here (If it was indeed on this path...) Same with Thailand, was first an object being Monitored reported then dismissed. There has been complete silence by all Military involved in War Games in Thailand that were being conducted at this very time. Ships, Air Bases and Aircraft would have 100% Visibility at this time. Why the Silence?

For one, I believe Aircraft was never in Singapore's or Indonesian Air Space, or if contacted... no answer it would have been shot down. It was referenced in Thai Air Space... Then Hushed up, only reported when firmly questioned. By that time it would have exited and continued its flight. North...

Close but no prize, it went west to Diego Garcia, only the "exceptional" ones could pull this off!

You sound very sure on that. Would you mind sharing your own personal research that led you to that conclusion?

And by research I don't mean other people's YouTube vids or theories copy and pasted from conspiracy websites. I want actual facts that you have uncovered by yourself to draw this conclusion.

Who stands to gain?

That's it? That's all you got? Somebody, the way you see it, "stands to gain"? Sheesh. ROFL. Now there's scientific method for ya'!

There's lot's more on the web, if you're too lazy to look up to you.

You mean like this:

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/9-weirdest-conspiracy-theory-websites-planet-si-title/

I'm particularly entertained by this one:

http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/

(It's great! Check it out.)

STILL ROFL...

Yeap. Plenty of entertainment on the Internet. That's for sure. Plenty of misinformation, too.

You know. There's "laziness", and then there's "laziness of intellect".

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If flight MH370 did indeed follow the path suggested by Imarat's Satellite data. Then just as Malaysian Military monitored the flight making U-Turn and its flight Back Across the Malaysian peninsula... Why has there been no comment from Singapore or Indonesian Military... Remember this was an unknown object entering their Airspace...

MH370 was monitored by Malaysian Military Radar after it officially went silent to other sources. So it was 100% Detectable here (If it was indeed on this path...) Same with Thailand, was first an object being Monitored reported then dismissed. There has been complete silence by all Military involved in War Games in Thailand that were being conducted at this very time. Ships, Air Bases and Aircraft would have 100% Visibility at this time. Why the Silence?

For one, I believe Aircraft was never in Singapore's or Indonesian Air Space, or if contacted... no answer it would have been shot down. It was referenced in Thai Air Space... Then Hushed up, only reported when firmly questioned. By that time it would have exited and continued its flight. North...

Close but no prize, it went west to Diego Garcia, only the "exceptional" ones could pull this off!

You sound very sure on that. Would you mind sharing your own personal research that led you to that conclusion?

And by research I don't mean other people's YouTube vids or theories copy and pasted from conspiracy websites. I want actual facts that you have uncovered by yourself to draw this conclusion.

Who stands to gain?

LOL!! You did exactly what I asked you not to do.

I asked you not to just regurgitate silly guesses that internet conspiracy theorists already made up. I asked you for your own original interpretation and all you have is a YouTube video that somebody else made.

You are just proving the the level of individual thought that conspiracy theorists have and, as such, exactly why they are so popular and gain so much momentum. What I am saying is that you are just a bland sheep in a huge herd of sheep which cannot think for themselves so all you do is follow the popular opinions of others.

And I cannot say for sure that the plane isn't at Diego Garcia, that's why conspiracy theories work, but what I can say for sure is that you definitely cannot state for a fact what happened.

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http://mh370.mot.gov.my/download/InterimStatement.pdff

http://mh370.mot.gov.my/download/FactualInformation.pdf

The handling of MH370 by KL ATC is interesting to say the least. INCERFA, which should have been initiated 3 min after an unsuccessful attempt at radio contact had been made (ALERFA 30 mins after that and DETRESFA a further 30 mins later) was never initiated, neither was ALERFA. DETRESFA was initiated a whopping 4 hours and 13 mins after the last radio contact with MH370, and it took a further 1 hr and 2 mins until it was properly disseminated.

This means that until that time no ATC unit, apart from those directly involved in handling of MH370, were aware of this incident and consequently did not look for any suspicious primary radar echoes on their scopes. During those long hours KL ATC was happily accepting nonsense messages from MAS (Malaysian Airlines) OPS that the aircraft was "somewhere over Cambodia", or "east of Vietnam", until MAS OPS finally (two hrs after MH370 went off radar) admitted that their "flight tracker" was not giving out actual position information but merely estimates based on "flight projection". Even then nothing happened apart from phone calls to the ATC units further down the flight route of MH370, Hainan, Hongkong and Beijing, as the correct statement by MAS OPS that the plane was still airborne, lead ATC to believe that MH370 was somehow flying silently and undetected to its filed destination.

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http://mh370.mot.gov.my/download/InterimStatement.pdff

http://mh370.mot.gov.my/download/FactualInformation.pdf

The handling of MH370 by KL ATC is interesting to say the least. INCERFA, which should have been initiated 3 min after an unsuccessful attempt at radio contact had been made (ALERFA 30 mins after that and DETRESFA a further 30 mins later) was never initiated, neither was ALERFA. DETRESFA was initiated a whopping 4 hours and 13 mins after the last radio contact with MH370, and it took a further 1 hr and 2 mins until it was properly disseminated.

This means that until that time no ATC unit, apart from those directly involved in handling of MH370, were aware of this incident and consequently did not look for any suspicious primary radar echoes on their scopes. During those long hours KL ATC was happily accepting nonsense messages from MAS (Malaysian Airlines) OPS that the aircraft was "somewhere over Cambodia", or "east of Vietnam", until MAS OPS finally (two hrs after MH370 went off radar) admitted that their "flight tracker" was not giving out actual position information but merely estimates based on "flight projection". Even then nothing happened apart from phone calls to the ATC units further down the flight route of MH370, Hainan, Hongkong and Beijing, as the correct statement by MAS OPS that the plane was still airborne, lead ATC to believe that MH370 was somehow flying silently and undetected to its filed destination.

This was discussed at length shortly after the event, but no reports have surfaced regarding an in-depth analysis of ATC's performance. One is tempted to think that if the pilots are squeaking into a drivers seat with minimum qualifications and experience, the same possibly applies to ATC controllers, thereby creating a situation which could best be described as chaos in the playground.

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You sound very sure on that. Would you mind sharing your own personal research that led you to that conclusion?

And by research I don't mean other people's YouTube vids or theories copy and pasted from conspiracy websites. I want actual facts that you have uncovered by yourself to draw this conclusion.

​ANSWER!

Hawker9000

What are you talking about? Answer? I have yet to answer you until now!

What I have suggested is same as we did in 1967 and 1968 from Thailand. We had 2 aircraft confirmed down. Had beacon reading coralating a point in Gulf of Thailand. Yet when search and rescue where at point of so called radio signal... There was nothing! Period... Nothing to show us anything that an F100D in both cases had impacked the water. The first time it happened we took a long time to figure out an answer. But Senior Airmen in both Ground Control and Radio Opts drew a graph, imbedded it on a Map of the entire area. Starting with a Horizontal line of first and last signature of aircafts last know position and where beacon signal was showing us on our Monitors. We measured distance from both to Ground stations east and west of signal and drew an arc. Also lined up beacon location and last know radar signature. Knowing we were possibly dealing with both North and South Magnetic fields, possibly reversed our reception, took a chance and went north of where last signature was.... We had Pilot on Tarmak within the hour! Don't know why or how... but it happened!

The second time we sent choppers to both areas! Same result! Aircraft was located North of actual beacon reading on Monitor. This time Pioplot was returned to Base within 1 hr and 55 minutes after being shot down, but this time pilot was injured, not life threating.

This is all I can disclose as actual physical proof is in Tac Squadrons (27th fighter wings) sealed records. I can tell you personally what happened... I was there! This is the best proof I can submit, this is the only answer I have provided you with so whatever in previous Email you are referring to... your wrong! Wasn't me!

This is why I suggested using same data and look North, we have both arc's but at the moment there seems to be an air of.... Either scared to or a Mindset that it cannot be! After a year with no results... Can it hurt anything? Only prove we are doing everything possible to solve and bring an end to this issue.

No one is saying Right or Wrong, but can you say after this that it's not possible?

You asked for proof, which I submitted after checking how much disclosure I could produce. Did so as asked!

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IIRC the satellite plots had arcs showing areas of possible location in south indian ocean and somewhere north of kashmir. You'll find it in here somewhere or maybe in pprune's threads on the same topic. It's very normal to have mirrored areas indicated when interpolating signal reception, it's the nature of the beast and known to old hands. Maybe there were compelling reasons to not look in central Asia ;)

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You sound very sure on that. Would you mind sharing your own personal research that led you to that conclusion?

And by research I don't mean other people's YouTube vids or theories copy and pasted from conspiracy websites. I want actual facts that you have uncovered by yourself to draw this conclusion.

​ANSWER!

Hawker9000

What are you talking about? Answer? I have yet to answer you until now!

What I have suggested is same as we did in 1967 and 1968 from Thailand. We had 2 aircraft confirmed down. Had beacon reading coralating a point in Gulf of Thailand. Yet when search and rescue where at point of so called radio signal... There was nothing! Period... Nothing to show us anything that an F100D in both cases had impacked the water. The first time it happened we took a long time to figure out an answer. But Senior Airmen in both Ground Control and Radio Opts drew a graph, imbedded it on a Map of the entire area. Starting with a Horizontal line of first and last signature of aircafts last know position and where beacon signal was showing us on our Monitors. We measured distance from both to Ground stations east and west of signal and drew an arc. Also lined up beacon location and last know radar signature. Knowing we were possibly dealing with both North and South Magnetic fields, possibly reversed our reception, took a chance and went north of where last signature was.... We had Pilot on Tarmak within the hour! Don't know why or how... but it happened!

The second time we sent choppers to both areas! Same result! Aircraft was located North of actual beacon reading on Monitor. This time Pioplot was returned to Base within 1 hr and 55 minutes after being shot down, but this time pilot was injured, not life threating.

This is all I can disclose as actual physical proof is in Tac Squadrons (27th fighter wings) sealed records. I can tell you personally what happened... I was there! This is the best proof I can submit, this is the only answer I have provided you with so whatever in previous Email you are referring to... your wrong! Wasn't me!

This is why I suggested using same data and look North, we have both arc's but at the moment there seems to be an air of.... Either scared to or a Mindset that it cannot be! After a year with no results... Can it hurt anything? Only prove we are doing everything possible to solve and bring an end to this issue.

No one is saying Right or Wrong, but can you say after this that it's not possible?

You asked for proof, which I submitted after checking how much disclosure I could produce. Did so as asked!

What the HECK are you jabbering about? 'Got me mixed up with somebody else ? Fasteddie KunMatt perhaps?

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For anyone with serious interest in the search parameters ...

Focussed on the southern tracks,,,

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/06/mh370-what-does-inmarsat-ping-data-reveal/

Full circle plots...

http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/350

This map shows both arcs with intersects north and south

http://i.stack.imgur.com/rzLFT.jpg

from this article...

http://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/2472/computer-model-yields-two-possible-flight-paths-of-mh370-in-south-indian-ocean

So there is plenty of information out there without wild speculation -- which only adds to the general confusion and weighs heavily on the bereaved families.

I'd be happy if the mods closed this thread. If some new information comes up a new thread can easily be started.

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I'd be happy if the mods closed this thread. If some new information comes up a new thread can easily be started.

Have you considered just not opening it if there are no new posts?

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