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Don't be tight...upgrade those trebles!

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I was out fishing Lam Chae dam over at Khon Buri for Krasoob/Jungle perch a few days back and it was really hard work.

Very few bites and the sun was merciless. Nearing the end of the day I felt a vicious thump and was very pleased to see the rod bent nearly U-shaped.

Didn't last though-a few seconds into the fight and it all went slack.

The cause: Failed treble.

Lesson learnt, I'm upgrading every single lure to stronger hooks. You just can't trust those stock trebles.

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I've upgraded my trebles on lures in the past. Bought a whole load of mustads cheap.

What's supposed to be even better is fitting a single circle hook. I don't fish lures enough to try it. Once a circle hooks a fish you'll pretty much never lose it. As there's a constant pull (fish moving away or lure being retrieved) the circle will engage. It'll take faith to try it but it'll work!

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Just upgraded a few lures with 4x strong trebles. Problem was, the trebles cost more than the lures did here in BKK. 50 baht lures and 30 baht (x2) trebles. Bought the topwater lures in Chinatown because I have visited the factory where they're made in China- and the owner was very kind to me.

One other tip- I increased my landing percentages by a noticeable margin when I started sharpening my hooks a few years back. Commodity hooks out of the box just don't penetrate like a hand sharpened hook. If I can drag it across my fingernail and it doesn't stick, it's not sharp enough.

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I've upgraded my trebles on lures in the past. Bought a whole load of mustads cheap.

What's supposed to be even better is fitting a single circle hook. I don't fish lures enough to try it. Once a circle hooks a fish you'll pretty much never lose it. As there's a constant pull (fish moving away or lure being retrieved) the circle will engage. It'll take faith to try it but it'll work!

I am not aware of 'circle hooks' till your mention here. At my local tackle shop there isn't any and the only ones I found are with that big online store based in BKK. Think I'll order some just to see if they work. Thanks.

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Just upgraded a few lures with 4x strong trebles. Problem was, the trebles cost more than the lures did here in BKK. 50 baht lures and 30 baht (x2) trebles. Bought the topwater lures in Chinatown because I have visited the factory where they're made in China- and the owner was very kind to me.

One other tip- I increased my landing percentages by a noticeable margin when I started sharpening my hooks a few years back. Commodity hooks out of the box just don't penetrate like a hand sharpened hook. If I can drag it across my fingernail and it doesn't stick, it's not sharp enough.

Good quality trebles are pricey, pack of 6 costs about 300Baht while lures I use are on the average 250 to 300 baht each.

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Just upgraded a few lures with 4x strong trebles. Problem was, the trebles cost more than the lures did here in BKK. 50 baht lures and 30 baht (x2) trebles. Bought the topwater lures in Chinatown because I have visited the factory where they're made in China- and the owner was very kind to me.

One other tip- I increased my landing percentages by a noticeable margin when I started sharpening my hooks a few years back. Commodity hooks out of the box just don't penetrate like a hand sharpened hook. If I can drag it across my fingernail and it doesn't stick, it's not sharp enough.

Always keep a good file with you to sharpen the hooks before a session. You may find they corrode more quickly though so wiping off water after you finish can help or rinsing them of fishing saltwater.

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I've upgraded my trebles on lures in the past. Bought a whole load of mustads cheap.

What's supposed to be even better is fitting a single circle hook. I don't fish lures enough to try it. Once a circle hooks a fish you'll pretty much never lose it. As there's a constant pull (fish moving away or lure being retrieved) the circle will engage. It'll take faith to try it but it'll work!

I am not aware of 'circle hooks' till your mention here. At my local tackle shop there isn't any and the only ones I found are with that big online store based in BKK. Think I'll order some just to see if they work. Thanks.

The only thing that will be difficult will be getting the right size. Circle hook sizes differ widely from J hook sizes and even between manufacturers.

This is not a bad demo of a lure with circle hooks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0_MBY_m92Q

Picture of a lure with circles:

http://ep.yimg.com/ay/tackle/yo-zuri-r994-sashimi-minnow-f-circle-hook-lure-3.jpg

Edited by jackinbkk

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Thanks for sharing the youtube link.

With circle hooks the experts say to refrain from striking which would be hard to put in practice as it's a natural response once a fish has taken the lure.

I wonder if the fish might spit the lure once it knows it has bitten on hard plastic or timber.

I'll go get some circle hooks and see how I fare.

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Thanks for sharing the youtube link.

With circle hooks the experts say to refrain from striking which would be hard to put in practice as it's a natural response once a fish has taken the lure.

I wonder if the fish might spit the lure once it knows it has bitten on hard plastic or timber.

I'll go get some circle hooks and see how I fare.

Circle hooks are usually used on live and dead bait, where the fish will keep the bait and not spit it out. They drastically reduce gut hooked fish while increasing the percentage of hooked fish landed.

If they are now being used on hard lures, I'd be surprised. But I've been surprised before.

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Thanks for sharing the youtube link.

With circle hooks the experts say to refrain from striking which would be hard to put in practice as it's a natural response once a fish has taken the lure.

I wonder if the fish might spit the lure once it knows it has bitten on hard plastic or timber.

I'll go get some circle hooks and see how I fare.

Circle hooks are usually used on live and dead bait, where the fish will keep the bait and not spit it out. They drastically reduce gut hooked fish while increasing the percentage of hooked fish landed.

If they are now being used on hard lures, I'd be surprised. But I've been surprised before.

You'll find that with a lot of lures the act of retrieving the lure and the fish grabbing it and moving away, it'll get hooked right away. Even on a popper fished with a pause, the circle hook only has to get into the fish's mouth to be primed for a hook hold.

I replaced some trebles on a lure of mine last night with some circles. A local lake (Here in the UK) has so many pike in the margin that it should be easy to experiment as a side line when targeting some carp. I tell you what. It has been a few years since I've tried to get hooks off and on to split rings. What a nightmare. Destroyed my nails, took me a good 45 mins just to get the job done. I could have asked my wife to help me but it was about 4am.

I'll post up a picture later.

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Thanks for sharing the youtube link.

With circle hooks the experts say to refrain from striking which would be hard to put in practice as it's a natural response once a fish has taken the lure.

I wonder if the fish might spit the lure once it knows it has bitten on hard plastic or timber.

I'll go get some circle hooks and see how I fare.

I use circle hooks all the time. Great for catfish, even sharks. All you'll find is that as soon as you get a take, the line will go tight. You don't need to jerk the rod. Thee hook will set itself. Just play the fish as you would. Keep the line tight. The circle will just set better and better, the more tension it experiences. All the stress goes into the curve of the hook rather than just the tip. It is extremely difficult to lose a hooked fish. Hook holds will 99.9% of the time end up in the side of the mouth between the top and bottom lip, called the scissor.

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Thanks for sharing the youtube link.

With circle hooks the experts say to refrain from striking which would be hard to put in practice as it's a natural response once a fish has taken the lure.

I wonder if the fish might spit the lure once it knows it has bitten on hard plastic or timber.

I'll go get some circle hooks and see how I fare.

Circle hooks are usually used on live and dead bait, where the fish will keep the bait and not spit it out. They drastically reduce gut hooked fish while increasing the percentage of hooked fish landed.

If they are now being used on hard lures, I'd be surprised. But I've been surprised before.

You'll find that with a lot of lures the act of retrieving the lure and the fish grabbing it and moving away, it'll get hooked right away. Even on a popper fished with a pause, the circle hook only has to get into the fish's mouth to be primed for a hook hold.

I replaced some trebles on a lure of mine last night with some circles. A local lake (Here in the UK) has so many pike in the margin that it should be easy to experiment as a side line when targeting some carp. I tell you what. It has been a few years since I've tried to get hooks off and on to split rings. What a nightmare. Destroyed my nails, took me a good 45 mins just to get the job done. I could have asked my wife to help me but it was about 4am.

I'll post up a picture later.

I have this tweezer like tool specifically made to work on split rings. Sure beats using a thin bladed screw driver to coax the ring apart but still can be fiddly and many times the ring slips off and launches itself into orbit never to be seen again. I found mine at a tackle shop not sure what the proper name is and there are various sized 'tweezer' for the many sized split rings.

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Thanks for sharing the youtube link.

With circle hooks the experts say to refrain from striking which would be hard to put in practice as it's a natural response once a fish has taken the lure.

I wonder if the fish might spit the lure once it knows it has bitten on hard plastic or timber.

I'll go get some circle hooks and see how I fare.

I use circle hooks all the time. Great for catfish, even sharks. All you'll find is that as soon as you get a take, the line will go tight. You don't need to jerk the rod. Thee hook will set itself. Just play the fish as you would. Keep the line tight. The circle will just set better and better, the more tension it experiences. All the stress goes into the curve of the hook rather than just the tip. It is extremely difficult to lose a hooked fish. Hook holds will 99.9% of the time end up in the side of the mouth between the top and bottom lip, called the scissor.

I'll find out when I get some of these circle hooks. The constant retrieval and action imparted while retrieving should work I would think. The bonus is the lure is less likely to snag as with trebles but these hooks are pricey and hard to find. That online store only has stock of 4/0 and larger which may be too big for my 7cm lures. They cost 360B for a pack of 8 before mailing cost.

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Thanks for sharing the youtube link.

With circle hooks the experts say to refrain from striking which would be hard to put in practice as it's a natural response once a fish has taken the lure.

I wonder if the fish might spit the lure once it knows it has bitten on hard plastic or timber.

I'll go get some circle hooks and see how I fare.

I use circle hooks all the time. Great for catfish, even sharks. All you'll find is that as soon as you get a take, the line will go tight. You don't need to jerk the rod. Thee hook will set itself. Just play the fish as you would. Keep the line tight. The circle will just set better and better, the more tension it experiences. All the stress goes into the curve of the hook rather than just the tip. It is extremely difficult to lose a hooked fish. Hook holds will 99.9% of the time end up in the side of the mouth between the top and bottom lip, called the scissor.

I'll find out when I get some of these circle hooks. The constant retrieval and action imparted while retrieving should work I would think. The bonus is the lure is less likely to snag as with trebles but these hooks are pricey and hard to find. That online store only has stock of 4/0 and larger which may be too big for my 7cm lures. They cost 360B for a pack of 8 before mailing cost.

I didn't manage to take a picture last night.(For a hook size comparison.) Had a few things come up. When I lived in Phuket the supercheap store had some circle hooks. I'm sure places like Seven Seas at BSR have circle hooks as well. I think the tackle shop that used to be located on On Nut had some, so there's probably a lot of tackle shops stocking them. Ebay may be an option. That's where I have to get a lot of mine as I live in the UK, Midlands. Circle hooks haven't caught on (oh that's a pun!) for freshwater fishing yet.

I'll do a size comparison. Mustad are often good. Most circle hooks tend to be used for saltwater species. I think the Japanese invented them for long lines.(Hooking tuna, swordfish etc on unattended rigs) self setting, easy to remove and release bye-catch alive. You'll find that if you drag a lure along the ground the trebles will snag on everything. In my case a carpet. A circle wont so there's less snagging. They are also great at not sticking in your fingers, but I highly recommend removing the barb. I remove barbs on all my hooks. If it goes in your hand it'll come out easily. If you keep lines tight a fish wont throw a debarbed hook, but a circle is far harder to shake than a regular J hook for a fish.

I love them as you can probably tell and I'd never go back.

Edited by jackinbkk

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