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Don't be tight...upgrade those trebles!

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Hi,

so again this morning I am rushing out the door when I realise I haven't had the time to take a picture, but I grabbed the lure rod and all the things I need to go fishing after work.

The evenings here in the UK are bright now until after 8pm. This little lake I know is about a 40 minute drive away. The last few times I'd been there I could see jack pike in the margins. They'd actually shoot out from the margins into the deep like bullets as you walked down the lake. Them seeing you before you see them. I brought the all important lure with the circles on it.

Annoyingly I walked the place and couldn't see a single pike. Just my luck, I cast around the margins every 10 yards or so. Eventually I came back up the lake and continued casting around.

I was close to deciding to leave it until tomorrow when low and behold a little jack pike grabbed the plug right at the reeds. The good old circle hook, found the mark and didn't let me down.

It was actually a strange hook up from what I'm used to with a catfish but he couldn't get off. I grabbed my phone to take a picture. In the mean time the fish was rolling around on the bank so he may have moved the hook around a bit.

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Here I have a picture of the plug with the circles on it.

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I put a 5 baht coin for a size reference. The small treble hook I have is from the bulk box of them I have on the right. Marked as a size 6 here in the UK. The larger 2 trebles are the ones I took off the lure. The circles on the lure are size 4/0 mustad demons. Fine refers to the light gauge wire used to make the hook, Heavier gauges (thicker hooks) are often used for bigger catfish and sea species.

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I put the 4/0 mustad next to a 3/0 Gamakatsu circle hook. As you can see sizes vary widely between manufacturers. The important factor is the gap between the hook point and the hook shank. It must be wide enough to set in the fish's mouth. For a giant snakehead the same hook would probably work.

So one attack by a pike and one hook up. Can't do better than that!

Edited by jackinbkk

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By the way. I bought that lure in a tackle shop in Bangkok on my last trip over. It was in a reduced bin for about 30 baht. I thought that'll do for some UK fishing when I get back. Much cheaper than buying one in the UK, so no excuses. biggrin.png

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Good job and thanks for the pics. Is that a Rapala lure? For 30Baht I would have cleaned out that bargain bin. A typical Rapala is around the 250B to 300B range.

I live out in the sticks so I'll have to buy online and I normally get stuff from 7seas but being Songkhran now all services have shut down for the festivities.

I'll try some size 4/0 Gamakatzu first.

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These are not the true circle hooks which I used extensively in NZ for bait fishing, they are normally referred to as recurve hooks.

With the true circle hooks if you strike at a fish the hook will just pull straight out of the mouth, the fish must hook itself, usually in the corner of the mouth by swimming away with a bait.

I have never used that type of hook on a lure but used to say in NZ that the best place for a treble hook was on the bottom in the deepest water possible.

My lure fishing then was mostly jigging for yellowtail kingfish, all tag and release, a treble would be very difficult to get out of a fishes mouth without doing a lot of damage hence I used strong single hooks

So far here I have stuck with the trebles that have come with the lures I use, would like to replace them with singles but so far haven't seen anything suitable.

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7seas online tackle store has given their website a make over but it is a pain to navigate now. Unlike before, one could pick a category e.g 'Hooks' or 'Lures' and then you have the option to view by brand. That doesn't work anymore and their search function returns items you aren't targeting. I gave up after a few minutes and went over to Ebay and Aliexpress and I am overwhelmed by the different types and shapes of circle hooks-and along comes Robby (very welcomed) to muddy the waters...lol

Anyway, I'll choose some similar to what Jackinbkk used in the photos.

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These are not the true circle hooks which I used extensively in NZ for bait fishing, they are normally referred to as recurve hooks.

With the true circle hooks if you strike at a fish the hook will just pull straight out of the mouth, the fish must hook itself, usually in the corner of the mouth by swimming away with a bait.

I have never used that type of hook on a lure but used to say in NZ that the best place for a treble hook was on the bottom in the deepest water possible.

My lure fishing then was mostly jigging for yellowtail kingfish, all tag and release, a treble would be very difficult to get out of a fishes mouth without doing a lot of damage hence I used strong single hooks

So far here I have stuck with the trebles that have come with the lures I use, would like to replace them with singles but so far haven't seen anything suitable.

These are circle hooks in every sense of the word mate. The point is curved back pointing at the shank.

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I use curved hooks for carp. Like these, which are not circles. A curved shape but the point not being 90 degrees to the shank:

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I have all kinds of circle patterns for cats and sharks

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Big cat circles:

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Larger Circle down:

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Carp hooks (A lot of the curved patterns are popular now):

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These are not the true circle hooks which I used extensively in NZ for bait fishing, they are normally referred to as recurve hooks.

These are circle hooks in every sense of the word mate. The point is curved back pointing at the shank.

Probably true today, but not 10 or so years ago. Today's legal definition of a circle hook is a hook with the barb perpendicular to the shank. That wasn't always the case,

It changed when some areas started requiring "circle hooks" by law, and had to come up with an enforceable definition of circle hook. Then, manufacturers rushed to fill the niche by modifying normal hooks to meet the definition.

Here's the original "circle hook" as used by commercial fishermen- back when I was importing them from China and Korea for sale to US Gulf Coast sport shark fishermen:

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Great for bait fishing, but probably not a good choice for a hard lure.

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I think it's just that you find many long shank and short shank variations these days. Where in the past the shank was obviously short.

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