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Hi namkangman yes I already know about that long list that's why I mentioned that I wouldn't be dealing with customers or handling cash. As you will see in my second post I already said that I know Thai law says I cannot do farming unless for private use. Yet it seems many Falang (a lot on this forum) do indeed work farms ? Thats the problem nobody seems to be able to give a totally proper answer which considering the amount of people farming on this board I find quite unbelievable sad.png
I guess the wife is gonna have to do all the work and I will just take care of the part of the garden reserved for our own private food smile.png
thanks anyway though for taking time to reply.



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"nobody seems to be able to give a totally proper answer" - I've given you a proper answer, and supplied you with the relevant Thai laws.
 
Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it legal. smile.png

You haven't given me anything that I didn't already say in my own post.

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Let me clarify my post for you.  IT'S ILLEGAL! 

 

Is that a "proper answer?"
 

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I checked today with the guy selling in our soi . The bib come around once a week and get free goodies from him and go on their way . Doesn't make it legal though.

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Hi namkangman yes I already know about that long list that's why I mentioned that I wouldn't be dealing with customers or handling cash. As you will see in my second post I already said that I know Thai law says I cannot do farming unless for private use. Yet it seems many Falang (a lot on this forum) do indeed work farms ? Thats the problem nobody seems to be able to give a totally proper answer which considering the amount of people farming on this board I find quite unbelievable sad.png
I guess the wife is gonna have to do all the work and I will just take care of the part of the garden reserved for our own private food smile.png
thanks anyway though for taking time to reply.



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"nobody seems to be able to give a totally proper answer" - I've given you a proper answer, and supplied you with the relevant Thai laws.
 
Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it legal. smile.png
You haven't given me anything that I didn't already say in my own post.

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Let me clarify my post for you.  IT'S ILLEGAL! 
 
Is that a "proper answer?"
 

No it's a smartass answer but thanks anyway.
Even <twats> can be helpful sometimes shame it's not this time.

You really need to chill out mate, maybe lie down in the garden for a while, or would that be regarded as work for someone who seems to be asleep for a living wink.png

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Just to clarify with everyone, the helpful ones and the not so helpful.
I already know it's illegal if I sell anything or do work without a permit.
My question was in relation to me tending to the area where my wife would pick and sell the food. I will not, I repeat NOT be picking or selling the food.
This area would have food for our own consumption which I am legally allowed to grow and pick and eat.




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It wasn't a smartass answer - I was just telling you a fact.

 

I'm very chilled.  I don't need to bend my back in the hot sun in a garden for a few baht, just to have the police come and take the pick of the crop, or arrest me and make me pay 20,000 baht for my freedom.

 

"My question was in relation to me tending to the area" - "tending the area" is illegal.  It doesn't matter who "picks and sells" the food.  You will be working illegally. 

 

You sound like you are trying to convince yourself that you will be doing nothing illegal.  Good luck with that.  biggrin.png

 

 

 

 

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It wasn't a smartass answer - I was just telling you a fact.
 
I'm very chilled.  I don't need to bend my back in the hot sun in a garden for a few baht, just to have the police come and take the pick of the crop, or arrest me and make me pay 20,000 baht for my freedom.
 
"My question was in relation to me tending to the area" - "tending the area" is illegal.  It doesn't matter who "picks and sells" the food.  You will be working illegally. 
 
You sound like you are trying to convince yourself that you will be doing nothing illegal.  Good luck with that.  biggrin.png
 
 
 
 


Strange that the "Ask the lawyer section" said it would be ok.

As I said before it's impossible to get a proper answer.

But hey I am sure you know more than a real lawyer.

For the record I don't "need" to bend my back I actually like gardening and I like to be active. I wouldn't choose to be a lazy fat Falang.


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Admin, I believe it is time to close this thread as it has become a pissing match.  

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Admin, I believe it is time to close this thread as it has become a pissing match.  


I agree .
It's also the second thread of mine that has been hijacked by people with a bigger need to be an ass than a need to be helpful.
Gotta be said that a lot of threads seem to be getting negative or smartass comments on them lately and less are being helpful.
:(
It's a shame


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Admin, I believe it is time to close this thread as it has become a pissing match.  


I agree .
It's also the second thread of mine that has been hijacked by people with a bigger need to be an ass than a need to be helpful.
Gotta be said that a lot of threads seem to be getting negative or smartass comments on them lately and less are being helpful.
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It's a shame
 

I have been closely following this topic, In my opinion I would suggest that much good opinion has been aired.

 

Fact of the matter is that a work permit would be required for a foreigner if involved in any way with any sort of commercial (money making) enterprise. 

 

No doubt that in a quiet back water area then any sort of official regulation might be more relaxed, but that does not imply that it should be ignored.

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I read through all this thread a few times and I have to say that I do not see any attempt to hijack this thread.  I see questions being asked and answers being given.  As an unbiased observer, I read Nam Kang's replies and he seemed to be quite sincere in giving you his understanding of the applicable law.  OP, I see your replies and you do seem to be a little short in your handling of the replies especially given that folks have tried to give you advice.  Keep in mind that none of us are Thai lawyers and the best you can reasonably expect would be educated opinions.  I sincerely doubt you will find many in the Thai government that can give you a hard-n-fast answer because everything in Thai law seems to change based upon who you are, who you know or who you pay!  

 

If you are truly worried about the legality then may I suggest you ask a Thai attorney.  

 

Stix

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I read through all this thread a few times and I have to say that I do not see any attempt to hijack this thread.  I see questions being asked and answers being given.  As an unbiased observer, I read Nam Kang's replies and he seemed to be quite sincere in giving you his understanding of the applicable law.  OP, I see your replies and you do seem to be a little short in your handling of the replies especially given that folks have tried to give you advice.  Keep in mind that none of us are Thai lawyers and the best you can reasonably expect would be educated opinions.  I sincerely doubt you will find many in the Thai government that can give you a hard-n-fast answer because everything in Thai law seems to change based upon who you are, who you know or who you pay!  

 

If you are truly worried about the legality then may I suggest you ask a Thai attorney.  

 

Stix

 

Good post.

 

I can assure the OP that I have his best interests at heart, unlike a Thai lawyer, who may have his own wallet at heart.

 

Yes, we live in a corrupt country where money talks, and can make many breaches of the law disappear.  However, I believe the question was, basically, "is it legal" and not, "what can I get away with." 

 

On the basis of that question, I have posted accordingly and stand by my original advice to the OP. 

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I read through all this thread a few times and I have to say that I do not see any attempt to hijack this thread.  I see questions being asked and answers being given.  As an unbiased observer, I read Nam Kang's replies and he seemed to be quite sincere in giving you his understanding of the applicable law.  OP, I see your replies and you do seem to be a little short in your handling of the replies especially given that folks have tried to give you advice.  Keep in mind that none of us are Thai lawyers and the best you can reasonably expect would be educated opinions.  I sincerely doubt you will find many in the Thai government that can give you a hard-n-fast answer because everything in Thai law seems to change based upon who you are, who you know or who you pay!  
 
If you are truly worried about the legality then may I suggest you ask a Thai attorney.  
 
Stix

 
Good post.
 
I can assure the OP that I have his best interests at heart, unlike a Thai lawyer, who may have his own wallet at heart.
 
Yes, we live in a corrupt country where money talks, and can make many breaches of the law disappear.  However, I believe the question was, basically, "is it legal" and not, "what can I get away with." 
 
On the basis of that question, I have posted accordingly and stand by my original advice to the OP. 


I never asked what I can get away with. My point about not getting a proper answer still stands.
Surely you can see from all the subsequent posts after my first post including your own that the advice and recommendations are all over the place? While I really do appreciate any real advice, it seems more and more pointless to ask a question here because the answers vary from
"My friend does it and has no problems"
To " it's illegal don't do it"
To " u can do it but if you get caught your in trouble"
To blah blah blah...
So what do I go and do? Yes as some recommended I asked the lawyer. Now he tells me it shouldn't be a problem but wow to my frustration another poster here says the lawyers are just trying to scam you for cash and can't be trusted.

So my question stands but appears I will never have a reliable answer.

If you all think I an unreasonable in my frustration well up to you.


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I read through all this thread a few times and I have to say that I do not see any attempt to hijack this thread.  I see questions being asked and answers being given.  As an unbiased observer, I read Nam Kang's replies and he seemed to be quite sincere in giving you his understanding of the applicable law.  OP, I see your replies and you do seem to be a little short in your handling of the replies especially given that folks have tried to give you advice.  Keep in mind that none of us are Thai lawyers and the best you can reasonably expect would be educated opinions.  I sincerely doubt you will find many in the Thai government that can give you a hard-n-fast answer because everything in Thai law seems to change based upon who you are, who you know or who you pay!  
 
If you are truly worried about the legality then may I suggest you ask a Thai attorney.  
 
Stix


So basically your saying nobodies "educated opinions" are of any real help because realistically nobody knows squat because the government change the rules to suit themselves. Then u suggest I ask the lawyer which incidentally I did to be told it was ok to do but hey as the law can change depending on your wallet it's really quite useless to get legal help.
And you wonder why I am frustrated ?
Jeez


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Admin, I believe it is time to close this thread as it has become a pissing match.  

I agree .
It's also the second thread of mine that has been hijacked by people with a bigger need to be an ass than a need to be helpful.
Gotta be said that a lot of threads seem to be getting negative or smartass comments on them lately and less are being helpful.
sad.png
It's a shame
 
I have been closely following this topic, In my opinion I would suggest that much good opinion has been aired.
 
Fact of the matter is that a work permit would be required for a foreigner if involved in any way with any sort of commercial (money making) enterprise. 
 
No doubt that in a quiet back water area then any sort of official regulation might be more relaxed, but that does not imply that it should be ignored.

Opinion yes
Any real and helpful advise no.

I rest my case :(


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Admin, I believe it is time to close this thread as it has become a pissing match.  

I agree .
It's also the second thread of mine that has been hijacked by people with a bigger need to be an ass than a need to be helpful.
Gotta be said that a lot of threads seem to be getting negative or smartass comments on them lately and less are being helpful.
sad.png
It's a shame
 
I have been closely following this topic, In my opinion I would suggest that much good opinion has been aired.
 
Fact of the matter is that a work permit would be required for a foreigner if involved in any way with any sort of commercial (money making) enterprise. 
 
No doubt that in a quiet back water area then any sort of official regulation might be more relaxed, but that does not imply that it should be ignored.

Opinion yes
Any real and helpful advise no.

I rest my case sad.png


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Good morning irlguy1,

 

I guess I am somewhat confused now.  You DID ask a lawyer and you received a reply from a legal 'professional' yet you chose to ask the same question on a forum that is used by expats (none of whom would I expect to know more about Thai law than a Thai lawyer) to converse and share thoughts, observations and opinions and you were expecting a more definitive answer than you got from a Thai legal professional? ! ! ! 

 

OF course your confused now!  Please keep in mind that this is Thailand.  There are no absolutes here except death.  Look at the current situation within the government where not even the legislators understands the legality of the things they try to do and if they do, there are those who will bend the law to fit their agendas!  In Thailand laws tend to be 'soft', they tend to be guidelines for conduct but in the end most do what they want to do.  In the end, you can be legally 'right' but still end up in trouble if someone with more influence wants to get their way.  The opposite is also true, you can be legally wrong but if you secure the proper influence you can bypass the law.

 

So what you are seeing here in your thread is the result of the soft laws where nobody KNOWS what will happen with any absolute certainty.  The forum members try to be helpful but there are no black and whites and those who have lived with it long enough understand this and deal with it or they go back to home because they need the rigid structure of legal certainties.

 

I know this isn't what you hoped to hear but it is the reality of living in this culture. Wishing you and your wife the best of luck in your new venture.  

 

Cheers,

Stix

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