Pattaya: Russian tourist kicked, arrested for sexual harassment

[kaldoverde]

Some posters here seem "outraged" that the Russian "dared" manhandle the Thai Ladys' breasts.

What do these "outraged" posters think about the LadyBoys grabbing foreign males, including Russians, by the "meat-and-2-veg" ??

The kind of Thai lady that frequents Walking Street at 4.30 in the morning, with a young child that should be in bed, probably deserved what was served up.

Disgusting remark.

[kaldoverde]

It could also be that the woman was working at the nearby night market and it's quite normal for them to bring their kids with them to help. And there's no school since it's songkran .

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Finally someone with some common sense.

Just because we can afford to tuck our children to bed at 22:00 back in our own countries, life is not so easy for everyone else.

I've seen children helping parents in their restaurants and stalls at the late hours of the evening and early hours of the morning everywhere in this country. It's appalling that people actually blame the victim.

Can all you Thai bashers at least understand the implications this experience may have had on the girl, regardless of whether her mom did the right thing or not? The presence of a minor alone (regardless of the motive) should be reason enough to stop the Russian guy from acting like a retard.

[gjwgjw]

It seems so many replies try to justify the Russians behaviour, by attacking the womans reason for being on walking street at that hour ,with a child. She may have good reason, she could have been walking home from the baby sitters home , after finishing work. But there is no excuse for the Russians behaviour period.

[Pattaya28]

I would be interested to know how this Thai lady communicated with the smirking Russian with reference for asking for an apology. I will assume she does not speak Russian.

Pity this story does not include a photo of the embarrassed lady.

[hawker9000]

If you can't drink and accept responsibility for (and control) your behavior, then either don't drink or stay home and do your drinking. And Walking Street, disreputable as it might be, at all times or at 4:30AM, is also no excuse for molestation. He's probably lucky a bunch of thai youths didn't happen to be hanging around...the story could've had a far more....."newsworthy" ending...

[shaurene]

There you go you brainless lot, assume, assume assume. Could be many reasons take her for a walk, at any time.

Go back to your exciting lives, what ever they are.

[jacko45k]

Disgusting behavior.

But I'm surprised about this "A mother taking her 11 year old daughter for a walk on Walking street at 4.30am"

Do you really believe her side of the story?

Ever heard or met an upstanding Thai woman who takes her kid for a walk at 4:30am??

On walking street??? What was she trying to teach her? How to pick up drunk foreigners? And what to do if they do not agree to your asking price?

Perhaps she had just finished work, although walking up and down Walking St after is a bit of a bus-driver's holiday.

It is probably something similar to 'I needed money to buy powdered milk'.........

Still, no excuse for the guy's behaviour.

[tonytigerbkk]

This is now becoming ridiculous.

A woman walking along the street with her daughter (regardless of the time) does not deserve to be groped.

There are a few sick posters on this thread who seem to hold the belief that some women deserve to be raped (the old 'she was asking for it' excuse).

I wonder how Pattaya28 and Pralaad would react if this happened to a close female relative.

Mods, can we please have the obvious trolls banned.

Edited April 19, 2014 by Rimmer
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[Docno]

Will those having issues with the lady being on Walking Street at 4am with her daughter please enlighten me, is there something I am missing here?

Thanks,

NL

Would you take your daughter or niece for a walk to walkingstreet 04:30 AM ?????????????

What kind of parent does that ????

Answering a question with a question is not answering the question now is it?

Try again.

Thanks!

NL

And sometimes it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

[i claudius]

Will those having issues with the lady being on Walking Street at 4am with her daughter please enlighten me, is there something I am missing here?

Thanks,

NL

Would you take your daughter or niece for a walk to walkingstreet 04:30 AM ?????????????

What kind of parent does that ????

No i wouldn't but then i am not Thai ,but even if i did (and i was a woman) i would not expect some drunk to start grabbing my breasts in front of my 11 year old daughter. or is that normal where many of the commentators on here live?

[Rimmer]

Inflammatory troll posts and replies to it removed

[tonytigerbkk]

Inflammatory troll posts and replies to it removed

Thank you Rimmer, an outstanding job.

[Kerryd]

This crap happens all the time, by people of all nationalities. Occasionally it gets reported. Too many morons get a few drinks into them and decide that every woman in Thailand should be grateful that a drunken slob wants to grope them. The Russian should be charged/jailed/fined/deported, otherwise it sends the message that this kind of behavior is acceptable. Doesn't matter if it was on Walking Street or #2 Road or North Pattaya Road. Doesn't matter if it was 4:30 am or pm.

As for the woman and her child. Take a walk down Walking Street almost anytime between sun-down and sun-up and you're likely to see children running around, usually under the watchful eyes of their mothers. Some are hawking junk. Some are helping mom sell t-shirts, purses, food or whatever. It used to be a lot worse. It was terrible to be sitting in a bar at 2 am and feel someone tapping you on the leg and see some 6 year old little kid (usually a girl) trying to sell you a lighter or bubble gum. (If you looked carefully, the kid's mom was usually very close by, holding some flowers or a camera). I think the BiB did some major crack downs on that though as I don't see hardly any of them around these days (or I'm just not hanging out in the same places any more maybe).

At 4:30 in the morning traffic is probably winding down and a lot of the "night vendors" pack up and head home.

There has been times when I've been walking home from the bars between 2-5 in the morning and stopped for a bite at the food stalls along S Pattaya Road (across from Wat Chai) and noticed kids that looked between 8-16 helping out their parents. I shake my head because you just know that those kids are not likely to be going to school and spending the rest of the day in classes.

It's nice to be able to judge people in other countries by the standards of your own country isn't it ? All children should be tucked into bed by (9-10ish) so they can be all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed in the morning, ready for another exciting day at school. Responsible parents should be at home taking care of those kids, etc, etc.

But the reality is a lot of people, especially in poorer countries, simply can not send their kids to school. Or have "safe" places for their kids to stay while the (often single) parent works to try and put food on the table. I've seen a family living in a bombed out build with a piece of tattered plastic for a roof, whose main source of income was their 8 year old son delivering pots of tea to a local guard post 4-5 times a day (for about 25 cents a day total). I've watched 10 year old kids pushing huge carts full of chopped/smashed wood off to markets where they spend the day trying to sell it. Other kids are out in the fields tending flocks while their parents are planting crops.

I've seen families living in garbage dumps (landfill sites), surviving off of what they can salvage from other peoples waste. Little chance they'll ever see the inside of a classroom either.

There could be numerous valid reasons why this woman was in Walking Street with her young daughter at 4:30 am in the morning. It is unlikely that any of those reasons is justification for being groped by some drunken idiot. I've seen some <deleted> at that hour of the morning, stop dead in the middle of the street, puke their guts out, take a swig from their beer and then start eyeing up whatever women are in the area as if to say "hey, maybe if your lucky baby, I'll let you service me for free".

(Sitting and watching life go by on Walking Street, especially in the wee hours of the morning, is much more entertaining than than what passes for "reality" TV !)

Makes you wonder though, for every incident that gets reported, how many happen that don't ?

[chrisinth]

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Will those having issues with the lady being on Walking Street at 4am with her daughter please enlighten me, is there something I am missing here?

Thanks,

NL

Would you take your daughter or niece for a walk to walkingstreet 04:30 AM ?????????????

What kind of parent does that ????

Its better than letting her go there by herself........................

[3SoiDogNight]

Regardless of the time & location, this Russian scumbag's behavior was disgusting and a criminal act. Doesn't matter if it was at 4:30AM on Walking Street or 4:30PM at Siam Paragon, it's WRONG and ILLEGAL to grab a women's breast!

If you want to do that, go inside the bar and hire a lady to do that. Otherwise, it's sexual assault.

I can't believe some of you farangs here at ThaiVisa accually defend these Russian tourist!

Who defended the russian?

The russian was an A-hole but that doesn't mean the woman's behaviour was ok.

What did the mother do that was wrong? Why bring up the fact that she was on Walking Street at 4:30?

That is totally legal. Not everyone on Walking Street is participating in sex for money. You've seen groups of friends & family walking up & down the street. I've seen many Russian families along with their kids on Walking Street late at night too.

Sounds like many of you folks are implying that the mother somehow deserved to be assaulted.

This Russian animal got off easy.

[MMarlow]

Nothing been said about the mother taken her 11 year old daughter for a walk at 04.30 am.

At 04.30 the only arrested the guy.

Possibly because she was not doing anything illegal?

[MMarlow]

I believe what he is saying is that if you chose to spend your time in the brothel, you should not be surprised when opposite sex believes you are a prostitute and not a very successful one at that, if you still out at 4:30am.

Its only been a few hours since i left Walking street, but i do not recall seeing any shopping malls or toy stores or ice cream shops which open at 4am

The lady was not in a brothel, she was walking along a public road with her daughter for which she may have had a very good reason. This report is about an alleged sexual assault on a lady in a public place, nothing else.

[MMarlow]

Disgusting behavior.

But I'm surprised about this "A mother taking her 11 year old daughter for a walk on Walking street at 4.30am"

This is a good example of"Thainess".

And your post is a good example of daftness.

Edited April 19, 2014 by MMarlow

[MMarlow]

So let's spin this around.

I'm walking down Walking Street, mid section, when a LadyBoy grabs my "crown-jewels".

Should I go straight to the police and report this (as the 4.30A.M. Thai lady with 11 year-old did) as an assault ? Would that LadyBoy be arrested ? Or would I be laughed off Walking Street ?

The outraged posters should rethink.

But I still want to know how this Thai lady could have been embarrassed ? Embarrassed by what ? Who is she ? Who does she think she is ?

Embarrassed by being publicly sexually assaulted perhaps? What does is matter who she is? What do you mean by 'who does she think she is'? Maybe she thinks she's someone who has a right to walk anywhere without fear of having her breasts fondled by a drunk. Nothing unreasonable about that.

[MMarlow]

Anybody thought she might of actually had a market stall or similar and was walking to work? Market stalls are set up before sunrise in many locations.

Walking Street has markets?

No, but it is street that people can walk along as a method to get somewhere else. Why don't you stop being a complete bonehead ?

Edited April 19, 2014 by MMarlow

[MJCM]

Anybody thought she might of actually had a market stall or similar and was walking to work? Market stalls are set up before sunrise in many locations.

Walking Street has markets?

There used to be a very good Sea Food market at the end of Walking Street near Bali Hai, but I'm not sure if it's still there as I haven't been to Walking Street in over a Year.

http://goo.gl/maps/GWd8d

Edited April 19, 2014 by MJCM

[Pralaad]

I believe what he is saying is that if you chose to spend your time in the brothel, you should not be surprised when opposite sex believes you are a prostitute and not a very successful one at that, if you still out at 4:30am.

Its only been a few hours since i left Walking street, but i do not recall seeing any shopping malls or toy stores or ice cream shops which open at 4am

The lady was not in a brothel, she was walking along a public road with her daughter for which she may have had a very good reason. This report is about an alleged sexual assault on a lady in a public place, nothing else.

You right, Walking street at 4;30 am is not a brothel but a pathway to church.

All the gogo bars, ladyboys and hookers standing on the streets are in fact preaches helping one find its true way

[Pralaad]

Anybody thought she might of actually had a market stall or similar and was walking to work? Market stalls are set up before sunrise in many locations.

Walking Street has markets?

There used to be a very good Sea Food market at the end of Walking Street near Bali Hai, but I'm not sure if it's still there as I haven't been to Walking Street in over a Year.

http://goo.gl/maps/GWd8d

There also use to be dinosaur's walking the earth

[peecee]

Will those having issues with the lady being on Walking Street at 4am with her daughter please enlighten me, is there something I am missing here?

Thanks,

NL

A walk down that street at 4am should enlighten you.

[Pralaad]

Anybody thought she might of actually had a market stall or similar and was walking to work? Market stalls are set up before sunrise in many locations.

Walking Street has markets?

No, but it is street that people can walk along as a method to get somewhere else. Why don't you stop being a complete bonehead ?

To get from one brothel to another? or looking for the nearest toy store?

[Pattaya28]

I will test out my theory.

Tonight I will lurk, mid-section, in Walking Street.

When I get "groped" by a random LadyBoy, I will 1. ask for an apology 2. go to the police and claim I've been assaulted 3. see if the attacker is arrested 4. get looked at by the police as if I'm a spaceman

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Disgusting behavior.

But I'm surprised about this "A mother taking her 11 year old daughter for a walk on Walking street at 4.30am"

Yes, that part seemed strange. "A mother taking her 11 year old daughter for a walk on Walking street at 4.30am"

Perhaps walking home after finishing work... whatever that work in the Walking Street vicinity might be...

[hawker9000]

Well, if the gropers like this halfwit are going to continue their thing, thinking they have the right to question the motives of any locals they happen to find on the street a 4AM, I have a suspicion other locals will see to it that matters get put right, sooner or later. I imagine this particular jerk got off easy, being hauled off to the police station where he probably just had a short timeout, paid a fine, and was allowed to scamper off...

[allanos]

Discounting all of the inane and largely incoherent and asinine comments from some of the people who participate in this forum, it seems that we are looking for a trade-off between a Utopian world where things are as we would like them to be, versus a real world inhabited by the denizens who actually inhabit it, and who contribute to make it the murky, and altogether unpleasant place which it largely is. That is why there are Laws, surely?

However, If we say that the protagonists in this particular case both deserve and have a right to the benefit of the doubt (as jurisprudence in the Western world would certainly demand), then do we not, nevertheless, believe that any citizen, in any country, has a right to go about their law-abiding movements without interference from another person? Is this not what civilisation, and the law, is all about?

Can anyone argue against this?

Edited April 20, 2014 by Rimmer
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[Smokin Joe]

Lot's of comments about the time of the incident being the most important issue. Amazing how many people assume the "facts" in the story are true. In any local news it is more than likely that many of the facts are just made up by the writer (or editor) of the story. The post below is copied from another forum and i don't vouch for it's authenticity but any random poster on the internet has more credibility than a Pattaya Beach "journalist"

"The lady in question is a friend my wife. It was not 4:30 but 11:30. The mother & daughter had just left festivities at temple on South Pattaya and decided to walk down Walking St before going home. The russian approached her and grabbed her tits several times. Her daughter started to cry. She asked the russian to apologize. He refused. She started kicking and someone called police. He was still in jail at 23:00 last night."