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Teachers are not really appreciated for their efforts in Thailand despite a teacher degree or not. I know pretty damn good teachers. They al get sacked because of this leaving them in survival mode. Some of them choose to work for schools without the proper documents. As long as foreigners keep doing this, nothing will change. It should be a better solution for all the teachers without proper documents and schools not willing to support to refuse in large numbers so the schools get affected. Possibly with a blue or other colored flag in the front of the Ministry of Education? Looks nice though.

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so there you have it all the rules regs it seems to me a bit of a " gis a job mister i can do that " go away get legal and correctly trained /qualified

and then a good job will be easily obtained with all the trimmingswai2.gif

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Since there are knowledgeable people on this topic may I pose a question please?

What would the requirements to get a teaching work permit be for a native english language person with a doctorate degree in medical sciences, prior university level teaching experience in a G7 english speaking country?

Do they need to have TEFL ? etc etc . Thank you

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...c'mon guys/girls?

"I'm from America/Australia/Canada/Ireland/New Zealand/South Africa/UK"

just means N.E.S.

But increasingly worldwide advertised jobs are including:

"No descernible accent" - this would rule out some people from all the countries above...

including England, Scotland and Wales.

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Are you saying that you have a Ph.D. in medical sciences and that you want to teach EFL? Are you kidding us?

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I think the Op might be interested in options like:

what if he doesn't start as a teacher but as a teaching assistant, will he still need a waiver of the licence if he is only a teaching assistant and not a teacher?

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Are you saying that you have a Ph.D. in medical sciences and that you want to teach EFL? Are you kidding us?

Is a question based on curiosity. To be honest it is extremely difficult to find a job in thailand as a foreigner even with the highest academic credentials. it is almost like there exists a fear to hire such people as it could show thais that there exists clever non thais.

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I was just at Krusapa on Monday to enrol for the Thai Culture Course. If you have already taught at two schools and already finished the second year or tried to move on to a third school, this is what I learned:

  • You can still get a work permit if
    • you have a non-B and
    • are enrolled in a Master's degree program at a university.

This will allow you to work for an extra two years, at only one school, without a teaching license. Hopefully you would have finished your master's the second year and then you will be eligible to take the exam.

  • Make sure your degree is a M. Ed. If your degree is a M.A. teaching TEFL then
    • you can still take the Thai Culture Course if you haven't already
    • you will not be eligible to sit for the exam for the Thai teaching license
    • But you will still be able to teach legally with work permit for two years. After that, who knows how the rules may change.

That is what I was told. Hopefully others can verify this.

So you do a culture course, a M.Ed and still have to pass an exam! I was an English teacher for 13 years and when they told me to take a culture course I told them where to go. I'm amazed at the lengths people are willing go to for a 1000 pound a month job or less.

There is absolutely no solidarity with English teachers. Stand up and fight to this bullshit. They are making a fortune from teachers doing courses, taking exams etc.

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I have been asked to teach at my local school and I have told them I wont start without work permit, licence etc...I have a non o visa being married to a thai but immigration told me I must have a B visa only to be able to work..can you work legally on a non o visa ???...I would love to know , some people say yes others say no...I don't have a degree but I have a TEFL certificate ....I could of started work yesterday but iam hanging fire to see if the school will sort out any thing for me.......ps there was also a lady from Camaroon who was having an interview for the 2nd job at the school and when I asked her about her visa status...she showed me her passport, her tourist visa ran out on sept 13 th last year...I told her she needs to leave the country and have 20000 bht overstay fine ready to pay....she thought I was joking....

You can get a Work Permit if you have O based on marriage.

I have found that many Labour Department offices are unaware of this.

We employ 3 teachers in exactly the same O situation as you.

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look at this way, many thai teachers have a licence or degree

but if they teach language, you can hardly understand them

so is a native with no teaching skills better or worse, for the kids to be able to learn something usefull ???

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The consequences of working illegally or rather working without a work permit can vary to blind eye tactics (for a period anyway) to being thrown out the country with no return, a hefty fine or even jail. In some cases all three. How important is your piece of mind?

Out of interest, does anybody know if this has actually happened? A custodial sentence in Thailand for teaching without a work permit?

I'm sure there are probably provisions for it, but has it ever actually happened?

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look at this way, many thai teachers have a licence or degree

but if they teach language, you can hardly understand them

so is a native with no teaching skills better or worse, for the kids to be able to learn something usefull ???

You don't have kids at a Thai school do you?

Some of the best teachers I've observed had no formal qualifications but great teaching skills.

It's not about learning in most schools. In fact, some I've been at have actually said they want to keep the kids ignorant, an old Chinese philosophy.

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The consequences of working illegally or rather working without a work permit can vary to blind eye tactics (for a period anyway) to being thrown out the country with no return, a hefty fine or even jail. In some cases all three. How important is your piece of mind?

Out of interest, does anybody know if this has actually happened? A custodial sentence in Thailand for teaching without a work permit?

I'm sure there are probably provisions for it, but has it ever actually happened?

No, it hasn't happened. Not to an English teacher anyway. In 20 years here, I've known hundreds working without a WP and/or degree.

There have been a couple of instances where foreigners were deported for working without a degree but it's not that simple - they upset the wrong person. If that happens and you have no 'influence' yourself, it doesn't really matter what you've done or not done.

The way things work in this country are not like your own home.

There is always an option of paying a fine rather than going to jail.

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> Elephantitus

Inflammation of the Elephant?

The term is elephantiasis and it's nothing to joke about. Wikipedia will tell you everything you need to know about it and the article features some 'nice' photographs, too, to make sure you're completely getting the idea.

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