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It's not automatic in the States, either. I've seen Ivy Leaguers get chewed up and spit out like rancid taco meat.

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Are you saying that you have a Ph.D. in medical sciences and that you want to teach EFL? Are you kidding us?

it is almost like there exists a fear to hire such people as it could show thais that there exists clever non thais.

Or perhaps they don't want to hire people that aren't 'clever' enough to realise that a given job requires a given qualification.

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As far as I know its NEVER happened. I have been here 18 years and directly involved in the English teaching industry.

Using fake documents or overstay, yes. But just teaching without a WP and B visa, no.

The consequences of working illegally or rather working without a work permit can vary to blind eye tactics (for a period anyway) to being thrown out the country with no return, a hefty fine or even jail. In some cases all three. How important is your piece of mind?

Out of interest, does anybody know if this has actually happened? A custodial sentence in Thailand for teaching without a work permit?

I'm sure there are probably provisions for it, but has it ever actually happened?

No, it hasn't happened. Not to an English teacher anyway. In 20 years here, I've known hundreds working without a WP and/or degree.

There have been a couple of instances where foreigners were deported for working without a degree but it's not that simple - they upset the wrong person. If that happens and you have no 'influence' yourself, it doesn't really matter what you've done or not done.

The way things work in this country are not like your own home.

There is always an option of paying a fine rather than going to jail.

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As far as I know its NEVER happened. I have been here 18 years and directly involved in the English teaching industry.

Using fake documents or overstay, yes. But just teaching without a WP and B visa, no.

The consequences of working illegally or rather working without a work permit can vary to blind eye tactics (for a period anyway) to being thrown out the country with no return, a hefty fine or even jail. In some cases all three. How important is your piece of mind?

Out of interest, does anybody know if this has actually happened? A custodial sentence in Thailand for teaching without a work permit?

I'm sure there are probably provisions for it, but has it ever actually happened?

No, it hasn't happened. Not to an English teacher anyway. In 20 years here, I've known hundreds working without a WP and/or degree.

There have been a couple of instances where foreigners were deported for working without a degree but it's not that simple - they upset the wrong person. If that happens and you have no 'influence' yourself, it doesn't really matter what you've done or not done.

The way things work in this country are not like your own home.

There is always an option of paying a fine rather than going to jail.

Good to have such honest posters here. So, you never got caught with your fake documents in all these years?

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Hi all,

have been informed by the school today that my application for a work permit has been denied, because I am not a qualified teacher, enough though it's a private primary school and I'm from England.

What grounds? No TCT provisional teaching permit or teacher license?

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Hi all,

have been informed by the school today that my application for a work permit has been denied, because I am not a qualified teacher, enough though it's a private primary school and I'm from England.

What grounds? No TCT provisional teaching permit or teacher license?

Is that a rhetorical question?-tongue.png

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More often than not; the Thais are their own worst enemies. From the time they are deprived of milk, as youngsters, to the time they die a premature death from cheap alcohol or a good ole fashioned motosai crash or both. Teaching here has had too many gray areas for too long......it does however, take two to tango....they can probably just monitor tourist visa apps by those under 30 in English speaking countries, and rest assured there is an infinite amount of clowns coming, who will work without proper paperwork, and will likely be targets of payday fraud. Migrant farm workers in America have far more rights than farang teachers do in Thailand. Accepting that is a good start. How dare the farang complain about making 25K per month, when a Thai only makes 11K, and a Filipino will do it for 15K.

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PM me, I have a legal document showing how another school did it in the case of a very young NES.

There is hope.

In the mean time, just work on your B-Visa and get a 2nd B-Visa afterwards,

The inconsistency regarding just this one specific issue makes me sick! Seems it's "hit and miss' in your case while countless others keep teaching happily ever after.

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I have read every single post in this useless thread and nowhere does it say if the OP has a University degree or not.

Sherlock Holmes may tell you that you can then deduce that he does not have a degree. Probably.

I just want to go on record here and say that the Thai educational system is such an abominable joke that it does not matter who gets to teach really. Thais run the schools. Imagine if you owned a motorcycle repair shop, and had some decent mechanics, and the people running the place making all the decisions where 12 years old. It would not be a very good repair shop, in fact, it may be downright abominable. That is what is going on here. A Thai science teacher would probably argue with Stephen Hawking if you gave him a chance, and then Hawking would run for the hills. Hmm, go figure.

I think Hawking would probably trundle not run!

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Hi all,

have been informed by the school today that my application for a work permit has been denied, because I am not a qualified teacher, enough though it's a private primary school and I'm from England.

What grounds? No TCT provisional teaching permit or teacher license?

Normally you are required to have a degree and a TEFL certificate.

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You do not need a TEFL, only a degree for the waiver. But if you are non-native speaker you need to do an English proficiency test.

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More often than not; the Thais are their own worst enemies. From the time they are deprived of milk, as youngsters, to the time they die a premature death from cheap alcohol or a good ole fashioned motosai crash or both. Teaching here has had too many gray areas for too long......it does however, take two to tango....they can probably just monitor tourist visa apps by those under 30 in English speaking countries, and rest assured there is an infinite amount of clowns coming, who will work without proper paperwork, and will likely be targets of payday fraud. Migrant farm workers in America have far more rights than farang teachers do in Thailand. Accepting that is a good start. How dare the farang complain about making 25K per month, when a Thai only makes 11K, and a Filipino will do it for 15K.

BS, I was asked to edit the English in a letter to Bangkok Ministry of Education regarding the salaries of Thai teachers. The NEW Thai teachers were making 8,000 a month plus "grey" money (such as a free suitcase on one occasion). The teacher with one year of experience was up to 11,000, and the eldest teacher, who had been working since 1983, was on 40,000 baths a month. None of those salaries including the "grey" money, and while I was there several of the senior teachers took an expenses-paid "research" trip to Switzerland to investigate Swiss teaching practices. This was at a relatively rural upcountry school, sure 25,000 is relatively high but the locals' salaries come with all the benefits of being local. I'd say consider yourself as making equal or less pay than the local teachers, hence why it's difficult to attract people who are interested in something other than boozing and whoring it up.

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