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Not correct! Most labor offices will not issue a work permit unless you have a Teacher License or waiver letter and the TCT (Thai Teacher's Council) usually only give those to applicants that have at least a degree. The words 'most' and 'usually' should be noted.

you can not get a work permit without a degree.....

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You don't have a degree, which means you are not a teacher. How in the world do you realistically expect to be a good teacher in Thailand. Certified quality teachers spend thousand of hours preparing themselves to be a teacher. Being a good teacher in extremely difficult at best even for a truly qualified person. People like you are the reason Thailand is way behind in teaching the Thai children English. The Thai government needs to seek out and recruit truly qualified natural English teachers from the US, England, Canada, Austrailia, etc. The should provide incentives like a decent salary, housing, motorbike to entice quality people to come. The USA has is doing this currently with Chinese and Spanish speakers from China and Mexico. I am really tired of people who think teaching kids is easy or that they can do it without any kind of training. Bottom line: Thailand needs real teachers to teach English to their kids and Thai teachers!

I agree 100%. Teaching in your home country is difficult enough for a qualified teacher’s. I have taught for over fifteen years before teaching English here and though I enjoy it very much it does have its challenges.

The Thai children deserve every advantage they can get. So don’t blow it for them by teaching a subject you are not qualified to teach yet alone qualified to teach anything, to children who speak a language you can not understand or speak. Unlike America or Great Brittan the children are not completely segregated here. At a private school (which usually pays better) you will find yourself in overcrowded classrooms 40-60 students possibly.

The children will generally be a mix of motivated children who really want to learn English to children who think you should screw off. You will generally have very bright and gifted children mixed in with children with learning disabilities to Autistic children as they all attend the same school generally they are simply called (special). You will be resented by most of your fellow teachers for making more money than them (even though they don’t have to spend 15-20 thousand baht every 90 days, to leave the country and come back in, something they just don’t get) so don’t expect a lot of help from them. Discipline for the children is almost unheard of and then you will have the language and custom difficulty.

So before coming to a foreign country thinking you can teach everybody your language make sure that indeed you can.

Also before going to China for your dream job, make sure the job is secured before you get there. Once there you will find the Chinese govt. Is not as gracious with unqualified teachers. They expect results and if yours are not up to snuff you will find yourself on the other end of the boot.

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I don't know about Chaing Mai. but here in the sticks I taught for three years and had no problem getting a work permit with only a TEFL certificate. Your appearance is just as important as your ability to teach, and like me you could lose your job if a Filipino with a degree comes along and does your job for a lot less than you.

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I know people that came up from the bottom of their field to acquire formidable skills in their profession without attending college. They organically learned by themselves and developed a high level of performance power in the area of expertise; if you can do the job and you do it well no one can deny that ability and you will be unquestionably a valuable asset.

I have a good friend that is a robotics engineer for Mitsubishi, never went to collage learned mostly from books and the internet, he started at the bottom learning while working for different companies then he opened his own company designing and selling automation machines. Finally he was head hunted by Mitsubishi and given a pay package he couldn’t refuse. They were stunned when they found he only had a high school education but it didn’t matter to them he had the ability they wanted not just a fancy piece of paper, the actual skill.

If you have sufficient desire to become a teacher in Thailand and acquire the skill, no one can stop you from attaining that goal.

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You don't have a degree, which means you are not a teacher. How in the world do you realistically expect to be a good teacher in Thailand. Certified quality teachers spend thousand of hours preparing themselves to be a teacher. Being a good teacher in extremely difficult at best even for a truly qualified person. People like you are the reason Thailand is way behind in teaching the Thai children English. The Thai government needs to seek out and recruit truly qualified natural English teachers from the US, England, Canada, Austrailia, etc. The should provide incentives like a decent salary, housing, motorbike to entice quality people to come. The USA has is doing this currently with Chinese and Spanish speakers from China and Mexico. I am really tired of people who think teaching kids is easy or that they can do it without any kind of training. Bottom line: Thailand needs real teachers to teach English to their kids and Thai teachers!

I have come across teachers without degrees, who are better than teachers with degrees in subjects other than English. I would be very surprised if there are many teachers with degrees in English working in government schools.

Teachers with degrees in English are far more likely to be teaching in International schools, or Universities where the salary is much higher.

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Without a degree you cannot get a work permit for a regular teaching position. However, you can be hired as a teaching assistant, or there are many schools in rural areas that will hire anyone to teach English if you are a native English speaker, even if you have never been to college or have a TEFL.

Not true, I was hired as an English teacher, not a teaching assistant, with only a TEFL certificate, after I lost my job to a Filipino, I was offered a job in another school, was granted another work permit, then was asked by the Head of the English Dept to pay 3000 Baht for it, I refused as I believe the school should pay it. I have not applied for another job since.

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you can not get a work permit without a degree.....

Rubbish. I did.

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anything is possible in Thailand

If they are a MOE licensed non-formal school, they are exempt from the TCT teacher license requirements and obtaining a work permit is far easier for them.

As of 3 years ago it is a legal requirement to obtain a teaching licence , non formal schools are except as the poster above states , but to work in any other school you will require a teaching licence and without a degree you will not be allowed to take the Thai Culture course which is the first step in obtaining the teaching licence as you have to provide a degree certificate

That's right, I had to do the Thai Culture course.

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Not correct! Most labor offices will not issue a work permit unless you have a Teacher License or waiver letter and the TCT (Thai Teacher's Council) usually only give those to applicants that have at least a degree. The words 'most' and 'usually' should be noted.

you can not get a work permit without a degree.....

I suppose it is possible a new rule has come out about not getting a work permit without a degree in the last two years, but I am still in touch with teachers I taught with, and met up with one only a few weeks ago.

If it is impossible to get a teaching job because of new rules, I would think I would have known about it.

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You don't have a degree, which means you are not a teacher. How in the world do you realistically expect to be a good teacher in Thailand. Certified quality teachers spend thousand of hours preparing themselves to be a teacher. Being a good teacher in extremely difficult at best even for a truly qualified person. People like you are the reason Thailand is way behind in teaching the Thai children English. The Thai government needs to seek out and recruit truly qualified natural English teachers from the US, England, Canada, Austrailia, etc. The should provide incentives like a decent salary, housing, motorbike to entice quality people to come. The USA has is doing this currently with Chinese and Spanish speakers from China and Mexico. I am really tired of people who think teaching kids is easy or that they can do it without any kind of training. Bottom line: Thailand needs real teachers to teach English to their kids and Thai teachers!

There is a fatal flaw with your line of thinking. The law wants you to have a degree in ANYTHING. Not just teaching. So tell me, how will my graphic design degree make me a better English teacher?

Ohhhhhhh, same thing over and over ......jealousy and nothing more.

If someone have a talent and courage to do the job ....what else we need... There is more bad teachers with degree but nobody wants to mention it.facepalm.gif.pagespeed.ce.EuN79TyYk_.gif

eg.;

One of my Thai teacher is so good that we really enjoying lessons and we are learning quickly. Last time I dared to ask her if she finished any courses in teaching and she answered ...NO.

Her English is so good and even her accent....... and again she learned English by herself.....She is just very talented lady.I did not dare to ask her age but I think she is below 30....

I do not see the reason to discourage someone who want to work teaching.

Simply why NOT ???

So many famous musicians can NOT read a music chart and they play instruments better then those after schools.....and nobody cares or want to know about it.....violin.gif.pagespeed.ce.8MK3fN8NTC.gif

So...welcome mate! ..

p.s

Nobody is perfect and even best teacher can not push someone to learn if he/she is not much interested in learning languages.wai2.gif

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I assist with several schools. We cannot get a work permit without a Bachelor's Degree. To get the Work Permit, you need the Teacher's License and it is the Teacher's License that they won't get.

Does it happen in some places. Yes, it seems to, but it is getting harder and harder.

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You don't have a degree, which means you are not a teacher. How in the world do you realistically expect to be a good teacher in Thailand. Certified quality teachers spend thousand of hours preparing themselves to be a teacher. Being a good teacher in extremely difficult at best even for a truly qualified person. People like you are the reason Thailand is way behind in teaching the Thai children English. The Thai government needs to seek out and recruit truly qualified natural English teachers from the US, England, Canada, Austrailia, etc. The should provide incentives like a decent salary, housing, motorbike to entice quality people to come. The USA has is doing this currently with Chinese and Spanish speakers from China and Mexico. I am really tired of people who think teaching kids is easy or that they can do it without any kind of training. Bottom line: Thailand needs real teachers to teach English to their kids and Thai teachers!

Nice piece. I would extend that, and add that I'd be alarmed having Western non-teachers wanting to teach children in SE Asia,...like the many stories I hear of Westerners at Christian Schools or facilities in Asia, desirous to hang around children. That is not suggesting those with a BA are not ped's,...just look at the % of ped priests.

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Not correct! Most labor offices will not issue a work permit unless you have a Teacher License or waiver letter and the TCT (Thai Teacher's Council) usually only give those to applicants that have at least a degree. The words 'most' and 'usually' should be noted.

you can not get a work permit without a degree.....

Not correct!

You seem to have missed the point I made in the second post on this thread that non-formal schools are not under the auspices of the TCT. Teachers at language schools do not need a teacher license or waiver to obtain a work permit.

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