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Confirmed: Visa run crackdown effective from August 12, 2014: Thai Foreign Ministry

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Can any please explain - or point me in the direction of a relevant thread, that would perhaps shed some light or clarify how this might affect those visiting spouses ( and not working) in Thailand?

For example - Joe arrives in Thailand on a tourist visa for 30 days, visits immigration and extends for another 60 days since he is visiting his spouse and children. At the end of this period, Joe must leave Thailand by air to a neighbouring country - and then returning the next day, would then re-enter Thailand on another 30 day tourist visa. Thus - Joe begins the cycle again... and possibly again - unless he returns to his homeland for a period of time for whatever reason. Under these new rules, will Joe be adversely affected?

The way I had it explained to me by a consulate representative, was that if Joe has a wife or a child here, hes simply not a tourist. Therefore he should get the appropriate visa before leaving his home country, however, there are options available from within Asia, a multi-entry non-O or a 3-month non-O (both without having to show funds) which is extendable by another 60 days (without leaving the country) if Joe 'visit' is longer. It would be nice to see all consulates dropping into line and offering the same visas tho'.

I really hope this isnt the next crackdown tho'

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I find it difficult to grasp the stupidity and hypocrisy of this. People working illegally! These people do not get tourist visas, rather they slide across the border, after, allegedly, paying the cops, and then head to Bangkok and work in the restaurant behind the scenes, or on fishing boats, or wherever. How many farang work illegally in Thailand? Damm few, and the work they do is not something that competes with Thais.

Has the Thai gov (whoever that is) considered that back to back tourist visa people might in fact be good guys? I mean guys supporting a Thai wife, her children from her first, Thai, marriage, and her family, and 1/2 the village.

I can arrive in Sing, get 3 months free on arrival. Then, 3 months later head over to Malaysia or Indon for a day, return and get another 3 months. No questions, no fuss. Does Sing know something Thailand does not?

This has all the hallmarks of a large bureacracy, managing itself, trying to look as if it is doing something, and targetting foreigners is always an easy mark. Great job.

I doubt you would be able to spend 3 months in Singapore, "turn around" in Malaysia & come back without being quizzed by immigration (you certainly wouldn't be able to do it a 2nd time) you may even find yourself stopped on the Malaysian side if you don't have proof of onward travel.

I've been stopped coming back from JB & questioned by Singapore immigration (even though I live here, have a long term Employment Pass & was on my way through the e-gates which are only available to long term SG residents) & its usual to be asked for proof of onward travel / right to stay in the country when returning nowadays as they've really tightened up on immigration.

Back to Thailand, wouldn't it be easier to get a Marriage Visa? Or there's always the option of the Thai Elite card.

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So if you have used a tourist visa then have 2 or 3 visa exemptions can you get another tourist visa or is it considered as a back to back tourist visa too?

It is about visa exemptions, no problems with visas.

You and I have a very different reading of the sentence containing the phrase 'tourist visa'. I take that to mean the large full page visa I currently have in my passport and which I extended for a further 30 days at Jomtien Immigration a couple of weeks back.

.The 'crackdown' has been extensively discussed in a number of threads on TV over the last week or so, and a few people have reported recent problems at the borders. If I can be allowed my own speculative crystal-balling:

- August 12 could see some very unhappy campers at borders and airports - even if you have a visa, it doesnt guarantee you entry into Thailand.

- I can only assume that - like many other large government-run organisations - Immigration has come under the General's intense gaze.

- we tend to be blase about crackdowns as there are so many inconsistencies in the system and they seem to die a natural death. Assuming the General is true to his word, Thailand has another 10 months of military rule by my count - I wouldnt want to be the Immi officer who earns their displeasure for not following orders.

End of the day, we can debate whether this is a good thing for Thailand or whether they are only penalising genuine tourists to catch a few rotten eggs - all that and so much more has been given a very good airing over the last week or so, Personally, I'm going to get my own visa sorted well before August 12 - see you all at the Consulate ! :)

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Reading the government letter seems rather simple. First paragraph objecting to misuse of visa exemption. Second paragraph saying they should advise people to get proper visas instead. So they seem to be encouraging tourist visas, or whatever visas, not restricting them. More revenue for them that way too.

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I don't see anything new in the OP report here. It's pretty much what Immigration had already announced, including the mid-August timeframe (which was supposed to relate to airport entries).

But, the letter from the MFA pretty clearly is talking about people abusing the visa-exempt entries system, what they call "visa runners." Just how that class of folks is to be defined, the letter doesn't say.

Meanwhile, as far as I read it, contrary to the ThaiVisa news report, the MFA letter to the various foreign consulates says nothing at all suggesting any crackdown or limitation on people seeking tourist visas. In fact, just the opposite, it's telling the consulates to advise their citizens to seek and obtain visas.... instead of going visa-exempt.

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I don't understand why some many people here are "confused" it's really very simple. If you're legally working or retired in Thailand then it doesn't affect you at all. The only people it affects are the people who are illegally staying in Thailand exploiting the tourist visa and visa exemptions issued to certain countries. If a Thai person applied for a tourist visa for the USA or any EU country and they were granted the visa, they would not be granted a second tourist visa on the completion of their original tourist visa. Most countries in the EU make you wait a minimum of 90 days from the expiry of your previous tourist visa before they let you apply for a new one.

YOU are confused.

The first part of what you describe is the intent of as yet to be defined policies. Intent and actual policy are not the same thing or else there would be no crime, anywhere, ever. Since none of the details have been announced, and you must have secret sources, please tell me;

How many days does a person have to stay outside Thailand before they are no longer a 'border runner' 2? 3? 10? 100? If not some number of days, then how will immigration decide? Are they psychic? Will it be by lottery? Don't tell me 'they know.'

The rest of your post makes no sense at all. US tourist visas are 10 year multiple entry. And yeah; you can just apply for them back to back. Not that it matters at all.

Tell your secret sources that their messenger is an idiot.

Seems you and your psychic friends take things a little personally.

I was never implying I knew what the new policy for Thai immigrations would be I was merely stating the policies of SOME EU countries as a reference.

The point of my post was that the new Thai immigrations regulations only affect people who are misusing their visas as the only thing you should be doing on a tourist visa is being a tourist.

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does this crackdown affect only land borders?or any border?

i used to fly from Bangkok to Bali and come back after few days.no more?

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I believe there is, at least there was a non o( others)

This was a 1 year visa issued to people who had a letter of invitation from a Thai .

Not sure if it still exist or issued, but this might be the only choices for those wanting to stay long term but under the retirement age.

Yes ED is still an option but I think they will start testing the skills

" ... start testing the skills" They already do, and so they should.

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Why are some people upset about this? Where I come from people can't come and go as they please.

Why don't they just get the paperwork done...no problems. But it's all about bending the rules isn't it ??

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But no problem if you buy illegal visas then. Btw I have a legit visa.

Btw I have a legit visa.

But consider yourself an expert in the largely imaginary illegal visa buying market.

inside Thailand if you're over 50 and have an O visa it's possible to get a retirement visa without the 800k funds, I know people who have nowhere near the funds but get the visa through Chinese/Thai specialists ............

I'm legit

There are many people over 50 in Thailand with a retirement visa that have very little funds so it annoys me to hear all these experts harping on about how it won't affect them . I am here on a tourist visa , I arrived on a triple entry , went to Laos got a double entry and recently Hanoi with my Thai gf but would only be issued a single entry.

The thing that annoys me is I have a lot better finances than a lot of people on retirement visas but I'm not 50 for another 9 months so it's possible I will have to leave the country in August when my current visa ends.

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