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Confirmed: Visa run crackdown effective from August 12, 2014: Thai Foreign Ministry

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It should perfectly reasonable for the Thai government to crack down on visa abuse, but under the present system a good proportion of abusers are doing things that the Thai government actually wants foreigners to be doing. Seems like it would be sensible to also revise the visa/work permit rules so that the need for educated foreign (primarily but not exclusively Western) workers can be met within the rules.

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Sorry if this appears multiple times, my connection keeps crashing

But I think the OP has misread the letter. It is addressed to ALL diplomatic consulates and other agencies IN THAILAND and not to Thai embassies WORLDWIDE as the OP says in his introduction.

As others have already pointed out it also only mentions the VISA EXEMPTION system. That is the 14 day stamp you get when you cross the border. It makes no mention of the 30 or 60 day tourist visa which you have to get from a Thai embassy outside the country.

So panic over, problem solved.

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But no problem if you buy illegal visas then. Btw I have a legit visa.

Btw I have a legit visa.

But consider yourself an expert in the largely imaginary illegal visa buying market.

inside Thailand if you're over 50 and have an O visa it's possible to get a retirement visa without the 800k funds, I know people who have nowhere near the funds but get the visa through Chinese/Thai specialists ............

I'm legit

There are many people over 50 in Thailand with a retirement visa that have very little funds so it annoys me to hear all these experts harping on about how it won't affect them . I am here on a tourist visa , I arrived on a triple entry , went to Laos got a double entry and recently Hanoi with my Thai gf but would only be issued a single entry.

The thing that annoys me is I have a lot better finances than a lot of people on retirement visas but I'm not 50 for another 9 months so it's possible I will have to leave the country in August when my current visa ends.

well what do you expect when middle age on thaivisa is +60..

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You are in fact, taking joy in someone else's troubles, and going out of your way to rub it in for them. Simply saying you're not doing that at the start, doesn't mean you don't then go on to do exactly that. It's poor behavior, frankly. it shows a low character, in other words. And frankly, I travel a lot, and most countries are quite a bit loser about things in the end. I've overstayed or done back to back entires in the EU many times, and no one cared at all, for example. I could walk back in in a matter of days. There's no fine for staying too long, or any real problem as long as you have a decent reason you can explain an understanding and reasonable border official. So that argument about 'other countries' gets more than thin. Let's be honest, it is just that you enjoy harping, like someone's old nag of a wife, saying 'told you so! told you so!' Let them delete me for it. Go nag at your kids or something.

Please don't tell me how I feel. I can be happy that my efforts were rewarded without taking joy in your misfortune. Much like if we are students in school and I spend my evenings studying and you go out and play with your mates, I can take joy in getting good grades while not having any feelings about the grade you received.

But by the same token, I don't have to pity them either. They made a choice. I made a choice.

Now, their choice may have very a predictable outcome and the fact that this outcome was predictable may be something pointed out when people complain about the outcome but that is far different than taking joy in it.

Also, you're not comparing apples to apples. Legitimately overstaying a visa in the EU a few days is very different than avoiding getting the proper visa and living in a country illegally. Let's put it this way, if you have a 12 month lease on an apartment in Thailand and have a 3 month tourist visa . . . you're not the same as someone who decided to take a side trip to Tuscany and overstayed his visa by a few days.

Because, those getting caught for short overstays in Thailand aren't being overly penalized if it's the same type of innocent mistake you claim you've done in the EU.

So, let's make this an apples to apples comparison and say that you were living in Spain on a tourist visa and kept crossing back and forth out of the EU with the sole intent of extending your visa stay in Spain. You have an apartment, a girlfriend, no other legal residence, and no discernable source of income (i.e. you're probably working illegally). Are you saying, in the EU, this is totally cool? No problemo?

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I find it difficult to grasp the stupidity and hypocrisy of this. People working illegally! These people do not get tourist visas, rather they slide across the border, after, allegedly, paying the cops, and then head to Bangkok and work in the restaurant behind the scenes, or on fishing boats, or wherever. How many farang work illegally in Thailand? Damm few, and the work they do is not something that competes with Thais.

Has the Thai gov (whoever that is) considered that back to back tourist visa people might in fact be good guys? I mean guys supporting a Thai wife, her children from her first, Thai, marriage, and her family, and 1/2 the village.

I can arrive in Sing, get 3 months free on arrival. Then, 3 months later head over to Malaysia or Indon for a day, return and get another 3 months. No questions, no fuss. Does Sing know something Thailand does not?

This has all the hallmarks of a large bureacracy, managing itself, trying to look as if it is doing something, and targetting foreigners is always an easy mark. Great job.

Your description doesn't make you a tourist though does it?

If you have a Thai wife then apply for a Non O Visa, that s what they want

you to do. For everyone to apply for the correct visa and stop abusing the tourist visa.

Unless you apply in the UK and do not have 800k in the bank for even a single entry. Then what, seeing as applying for a tourist visa under the circumstances is fraud?

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This specific letter has been issued to all Diplomatic/Consular Missions and International Organizations within Thailand.

It targets those people who enter on a "Visa Exempt Entry" which is for the purpose of "Tourism Only" but use it as a means to work in Thailand which is illegal.

It is also a veiled warning to those organisations above that if they want to employ foreigners then they must see to it that the employee has the correct visa to enable them to work in Thailand.

It is also a strong warning to anyone who is using any kind of tourist visa to work in Thailand not to do so or else. If you can show that you are a genuine tourist or are coming here for family, medical reasons etc, or purposes other than work then you will not be penalised.

Good.This is my understanding of it too.Now let`s see if I can continue with 4-6 yearly visa excempts from Europe after August.12.The only bummer seems to be potential problems to doing short visits to neighbouring countries anymore without possible hassles at immigration....................

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Hopefully this will weed out the malcontents. Send them back where they came from.

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This letter is very clearly talking about people abusing visa exemption. I don't see any confusion.

A double or tripple entry visa is one visa good for 2 or 3 entries, that's not the same as a back to back visa,

For the record, no visa ever expires. The period before which the entry must occur can pass, and the number of entries may be used up, but the visa can does not expire. There is a critical difference, it's only the entry stamp that expires.

"For the record, no visa ever expires" What planet are you on, amigo ?

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I find it difficult to grasp the stupidity and hypocrisy of this. People working illegally! These people do not get tourist visas, rather they slide across the border, after, allegedly, paying the cops, and then head to Bangkok and work in the restaurant behind the scenes, or on fishing boats, or wherever. How many farang work illegally in Thailand? Damm few, and the work they do is not something that competes with Thais.

Has the Thai gov (whoever that is) considered that back to back tourist visa people might in fact be good guys? I mean guys supporting a Thai wife, her children from her first, Thai, marriage, and her family, and 1/2 the village.

I can arrive in Sing, get 3 months free on arrival. Then, 3 months later head over to Malaysia or Indon for a day, return and get another 3 months. No questions, no fuss. Does Sing know something Thailand does not?

This has all the hallmarks of a large bureacracy, managing itself, trying to look as if it is doing something, and targetting foreigners is always an easy mark. Great job.

Your description doesn't make you a tourist though does it?

If you have a Thai wife then apply for a Non O Visa, that s what they want

you to do. For everyone to apply for the correct visa and stop abusing the tourist visa.

Unless you apply in the UK and do not have 800k in the bank for even a single entry. Then what, seeing as applying for a tourist visa under the circumstances is fraud?

You don't need to show any money in the bank to get a Non O Visa based on marriage.

You only need to show money, if you apply for an extension to stay, based on marriage, once your in Thailand.

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I find it difficult to grasp the stupidity and hypocrisy of this. People working illegally! These people do not get tourist visas, rather they slide across the border, after, allegedly, paying the cops, and then head to Bangkok and work in the restaurant behind the scenes, or on fishing boats, or wherever. How many farang work illegally in Thailand? Damm few, and the work they do is not something that competes with Thais.

Has the Thai gov (whoever that is) considered that back to back tourist visa people might in fact be good guys? I mean guys supporting a Thai wife, her children from her first, Thai, marriage, and her family, and 1/2 the village.

I can arrive in Sing, get 3 months free on arrival. Then, 3 months later head over to Malaysia or Indon for a day, return and get another 3 months. No questions, no fuss. Does Sing know something Thailand does not?

This has all the hallmarks of a large bureacracy, managing itself, trying to look as if it is doing something, and targetting foreigners is always an easy mark. Great job.

Your description doesn't make you a tourist though does it?

If you have a Thai wife then apply for a Non O Visa, that s what they want

you to do. For everyone to apply for the correct visa and stop abusing the tourist visa.

Unless you apply in the UK and do not have 800k in the bank for even a single entry. Then what, seeing as applying for a tourist visa under the circumstances is fraud?

You don't need to show any money in the bank to get a Non O Visa based on marriage.

You only need to show money, if you apply for an extension to stay, based on marriage, once your in Thailand.

Right. Tell them that in London.

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Why does it bother you that some people followed the rules and won't be impacted? I'm not saying you have to take glee in their misfortune but it's pretty shortsighted to bet your retirement on a loophole in the Thai immigration law. Hell, it's shortsighted to base your retirement on any Thai law. The people who have gone through the process, done things the right way, and are being rewarded, should be somewhat happy that their faith in the rule of law paid off.

And why are you annoyed that you have to wait another 9 months to be eligible for a retirement visa? It's not like that law changed. Oh, or are you just annoyed that Plan A, take advantage of a loophole in Thai immigration law, isn't viable anymore so you have to do it the way you would likely have to do it in most other countries, and wait?

The fact of the matter is there are many people who are under the age of 50, who aren't married to a Thai national, don't have Thai children, don't have a Thai based business and who aren't studying.

Clearly they're not tourists because they're living here, and they're not working because they have sufficient funds. So where does this leave them visa-wise?

Is having to buy the supposed Elite card really a fair and viable option? Is exploiting the education visa loophole the right thing to do? Should they be encouraged to marry or start a business - genuine or not - just to stay in the country!?

Unfortunately the best option available is a tourist visa, so it's not surprising that these new visa restrictions come as bad news to those falling into the above category.

Or, perhaps, Thailand just doesn't want them. That's entirely within Thailand's right. Why do those people feel they have a right to plunk down wherever they damn well please?

It's funny because I had been working in Europe for several years and my job came to an end and I thought about going back home and didn't want to do that. I also considered living in the EU and I went through all of the different ways I could live in the EU under the terms I wanted to live there. I couldn't find a suitable solution so I decided rather than live in the EU illegally, I would look elsewhere and find somewhere that suited my situation.

I didn't rant about how unfair the EU is or the amount of tourist dollars they would lose from not letting me live there illegally. I just figured out a different solution.

I heard Singapore has endless back to back visas so maybe you should give that a try.

The fact is these people are doing nothing illegal, may well have Thai partners (not yet married but certainly reason enough to want to stay in the country) and are contributing to the country financially. Basically they're retired but are not yet 50 years of age. Very simple.

Personally I think there should be a proof of finances measure put in place, no different to the requirements for other visas. They certainly shouldn't be discriminated against just because they're not married, don't own a business, don't want / need to study, and are (fortunate enough to be) under 50.

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