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As a quick note, I believe it is possible to work on an Education visa, BUT it is only a limited amount and it's meant to be as a part of your course (similar to how Thai students do their work experience internships).

I've never personally looked into the finer details of an Edu visa, so could be wrong, but believe this is the case.

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As a quick note, I believe it is possible to work on an Education visa, BUT it is only a limited amount and it's meant to be as a part of your course (similar to how Thai students do their work experience internships).

I've never personally looked into the finer details of an Edu visa, so could be wrong, but believe this is the case.

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In my opinion, that's a whole different kettle of fish than what's being discussed here. I would refer you to this post made on 24/12/13

The ED visa system has been scrutinised by The Thai Immigration Bureau and Ministry of Education for a long time, and it's widely known that foreigners have been abusing the ED visa system. Thaivisa.com believe the new, stricter requirements is to prevent applicants using ED visas to work illegally in Thailand.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/691465-stricter-requirements-new-application-forms-for-ed-visa-extensions/

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As a quick note, I believe it is possible to work on an Education visa, BUT it is only a limited amount and it's meant to be as a part of your course (similar to how Thai students do their work experience internships).

I've never personally looked into the finer details of an Edu visa, so could be wrong, but believe this is the case.

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In my opinion, that's a whole different kettle of fish than what's being discussed here. I would refer you to this post made on 24/12/13

The ED visa system has been scrutinised by The Thai Immigration Bureau and Ministry of Education for a long time, and it's widely known that foreigners have been abusing the ED visa system. Thaivisa.com believe the new, stricter requirements is to prevent applicants using ED visas to work illegally in Thailand.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/691465-stricter-requirements-new-application-forms-for-ed-visa-extensions/

Apologies I should have been more specific with my post, but am posting from my mobile so was lazy :-p

My post was primarily in regards to what BruceTEFL pointed out, that some of his students have Edu visas and teaching licenses from TCT (And I assume work permits to go with them). Which would make sense, since it'd fit with their course.

If someone were studying Thai or similar, it'd be a different scenario.

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I've stated my hypothesis.no one is contradicting me. The rest of your babble isn't really important to me or this thread.

Perhaps members with common sense have reasons not to contradict you, brucetefl.

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I know a young English TEFLer, no degree and placed in a government school by some angency. Got involved with one of the Thai teachers. Thought it was just a fling. She didn't. When it ended she wasn't best pleased and shopped him to immigration for working illegally.

They came, took him away, fined him 500 baht and let him go with no further recriminations. He was on a Tourist Visa at the time. About 1 year ago.

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As a quick note, I believe it is possible to work on an Education visa, BUT it is only a limited amount and it's meant to be as a part of your course (similar to how Thai students do their work experience internships).

I've never personally looked into the finer details of an Edu visa, so could be wrong, but believe this is the case.

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In my opinion, that's a whole different kettle of fish than what's being discussed here. I would refer you to this post made on 24/12/13

The ED visa system has been scrutinised by The Thai Immigration Bureau and Ministry of Education for a long time, and it's widely known that foreigners have been abusing the ED visa system. Thaivisa.com believe the new, stricter requirements is to prevent applicants using ED visas to work illegally in Thailand.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/691465-stricter-requirements-new-application-forms-for-ed-visa-extensions/

Apologies I should have been more specific with my post, but am posting from my mobile so was lazy :-p

My post was primarily in regards to what BruceTEFL pointed out, that some of his students have Edu visas and teaching licenses from TCT (And I assume work permits to go with them). Which would make sense, since it'd fit with their course.

If someone were studying Thai or similar, it'd be a different scenario.

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You assume that they have work permits. I assume they don't. Please see a part of the changes of the Ed visa rules:

1. Two year visa history of the student now required (currently only required for applications submitted in Bangkok)

2. Extra documents required

  • Proof of income. (to see if the student can support themselves and not work illegally)
  • Reason for long stay in Thailand, if extended time in Thailand prior to application. ( to check the student is not just a visa runner who cannot get any more tourists visas.)

My point being is that the OP's statement that people can work full time, while doing such a degree, BECAUSE they don't have one, which is the reason why they're doing such a course, isn't really the truth.

I know that I know nothing. Albert E.

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As a quick note, I believe it is possible to work on an Education visa, BUT it is only a limited amount and it's meant to be as a part of your course (similar to how Thai students do their work experience internships).

I've never personally looked into the finer details of an Edu visa, so could be wrong, but believe this is the case.

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In my opinion, that's a whole different kettle of fish than what's being discussed here. I would refer you to this post made on 24/12/13

The ED visa system has been scrutinised by The Thai Immigration Bureau and Ministry of Education for a long time, and it's widely known that foreigners have been abusing the ED visa system. Thaivisa.com believe the new, stricter requirements is to prevent applicants using ED visas to work illegally in Thailand.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/691465-stricter-requirements-new-application-forms-for-ed-visa-extensions/

Apologies I should have been more specific with my post, but am posting from my mobile so was lazy :-p

My post was primarily in regards to what BruceTEFL pointed out, that some of his students have Edu visas and teaching licenses from TCT (And I assume work permits to go with them). Which would make sense, since it'd fit with their course.

If someone were studying Thai or similar, it'd be a different scenario.

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I'm not convinced it's possible for his, or any, students to obtain a work permit with a non-immigrant ED visa from Thongsook College.

Anyway, I think Bruce was suggesting that they didn't use an ED to get their work permits. I assumed they obtained a B or O (marriage to a Thai) and their employer school, perhaps non-formal, obtained a work permit for them.

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^ An interesting question raised.

BruceTefl, you mentioned that approximately a third of the students enrolled in your BA course are working on Ed visas. What percentage of those working on Ed visas have work permits?

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The re-entry permit with the date matching the ext. of stay based on employment, even if honored at the airport or border upon re-entry into the Kingdom of Thailand, was still based on the prior school employment. You are currently here on an overstay despite what the office told you. I'm too lazy to go back and get the posters handle. However, rest assured, stop or finish your employment said visa and re-entry permits become void. The computers don't catch it but it will come back to haunt you when/if you get that next visa at the new school.

As to Bruce's latest attempt to promote his "university" or was it "college", as another pointed out, those with common sense can tell that's all he's doing.

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So to summarize all of your ranting:

OK, its absolutely true we have no first or second-hand knowledge of people being fined or imprisoned for working on an Education or O our Tourist visa. That sure makes us mad so lets call Bruce names!

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Well one guy did get fined 500 baht because his ex, a teacher at the same school, turned him in. I guess you could say it was cheaper than a bar fine? Wait, there is no such thing as bar fines because that would mean prostitution is legal in Thailand. It isn't.

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As far as I know, in Thailand you cannot get a work permit with an Education visa. You need to get a B visa (through a waiver?).

And so far, no one has asked UNIVERSITY students to have any proof of income. Apples and oranges with Thai language schools.

And I posted the law. Was it on this thread or another?

Basically anything you do, from cooking your own breakfast to reading a book to breathing is against the law without a B visa and a Work Permit. Thats the law.

Again I started this thread because some poor sap wanted to volunteer teach kids in a poor rural school at the request of the director. He was immediately set upon by the angry mob carrying pitch forks and torches screaming "DEPORTATION" "JAIL".

Its

Just

Not

True

And as someone correctly pointed out, if you can work without legal repercussions on a Tourist visa, it really does not help my BA TESOL program at all to promote this fact.

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You are correct, Loaded.


I'm not convinced it's possible for his, or any, students to obtain a work permit with a non-immigrant ED visa from Thongsook College.

Anyway, I think Bruce was suggesting that they didn't use an ED to get their work permits. I assumed they obtained a B or O (marriage to a Thai) and their employer school, perhaps non-formal, obtained a work permit for them.

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I guess you could say it was cheaper than a bar fine? Wait, there is no such thing as bar fines because that would mean prostitution is legal in Thailand. It isn't.

Actually, just to be pedantic, barfines aren't actually acts of prostitution. They are a payment to excuse the person's absence for the rest of the evening. Anything and any transaction after that are strictly between the people involved.

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BruceTefl, you must have missed my question:

BruceTefl, you mentioned that approximately a third of the students enrolled in your BA course are working on Ed visas. What percentage of those working on Ed visas have work permits?

Thanks!

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Its not actually the topic of this thread nor do I really know.

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A lot of off-topic posts and replies have been deleted. This topic has obviously passed it's use-by-date.

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