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Jonathan Fairfield

Tourist visa holders denied entry to Thailand and left stranded in Malaysia

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I love the self righteous holders of various 'legal' visas slagging of other members or folk because of the way they perceive themselves to be in the right and others to be in the wrong.

I lived in Thailand for 16 years and was a member of all 3 of the perceived groups.

I was a tourist for 3 years, only 35 but had a very large amount of cash from a redundancy and a house sale. There was no visa to cover that situation, so I was a border runner.

Later I worked legally for 11 years with WP and Visa extensions on a non imm B. I didn't exit Thailand for 11 years.

I changed teaching positions to find that the rules had changed and my WP and visa extensions had been covered by the so called grandfather rule, but on changing jobs I could no longer get a work permit.

I became a visa runner again hoping for a relaxing of the rules, unfortunately this did not happen in time and I was finally refused a tourist visa at Vientiane.

I decided this was the final push for me and returned to the UK.after 16 years total in Thailand.

A word of warning to those of you who are on visas today, just because you fulfil the visa rules today that does not mean that will be the case in the future and you could be left having to return home.

So a little bit less of the attitude of, 'Why don't people follow the EASY rules' and just be thankful that you are still allowed to stay.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

From what you've seen in your 16 years, are marriage and retirement visas the only ones that have remained somewhat stable? (Aside from a work permit, of course.)

fozzy, why were you denied a work permit after 11 years? Sounds a bit fishy to me.

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Are you saying you are 45 and can't come up with 400,000 thb in the bank? About 13000 usd?

I know many people back home that have never managed to save a dime.

Let alone $13,000.

Most people in the USA are in debt.

In actual fact,

one of my pals (age 44) has been working back home for 2 and 1/2 years while living in a trailer and saving.

Saving, as in no nights out, just work and subsistence living.

He's just arrived back in Thailand with less then $10,000 in his pocket (Ed VISA).

I've read it's 30% of US adults have a negative net worth, however 60% of households would have a difficult time coming up with 2000 usd (which isn't enough for a root canal/crown in most of the US). Your friend can have a fun year, then go back home broke....or face the immigration gauntlet, which is targeting people, just like him. I was chatting with a cousin, and she told me that her and her husband wanted to move to a place like Thailand...it was "their dream"....but she is still paying student loans from a shitty school, from 12 years ago, her husband has an ex w/ four kids, she has never owned one CD, let alone a share of stock.....It's all about choices.....you have to be accountable for them. I spent a couple of years driving a school bus.......a few of the drivers were bona-fide millionaires, a few were so poor that they slept in a Public Storage rental. Some would talk about the new tattoo they were going to get on payday; while others would talk about what stocks to buy. Student loans, ex wives, and other debt seem to be the big wealth killers. Those that bought cheap, crappy townhouses in high wage areas saw their assets appreciate ten-fold. Those who simply "rented" always had a pay increase, greeted with a rent increase.....

Net worth and debt don't necessarily have anything to do with it. You can owe 2mill on a mortgage, but have 1mill in the bank, and you can meet the thai immigration requirement. They just want to see the bank statement; not a certified audit of your overall financial condition. But I agree, it's about choices. 400K THB in the bank really isn't all that much for thai authorities to be expecting in order to permit this kind of entry. I wouldn't be surprised if the number weren't raised in the near future, as a matter of fact (and if it were, it STILL wouldn't be an indicator of net worth).

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Stupid Pee brained Thai immigration officers cannot interpret their own crazy rules. 

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Dredged up old topic no need for further discussion. Topic :mfr_closed1:

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