Popular Post KarenBravo Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 Wonder what will happen to all those foreigners that are married, have children, but don't have enough money to get a Non-Imm visa based on marriage. Will Immigration start splitting up families? 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellacissa Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 On the condo market, no kidding, this is really bad for places like Pattaya. Excellent. I should be able to get a condo for a song when I show up in September. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostsoul49 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm on double entry tourist visa spending a week in Vietnam and arriving back to Thailand on 14th for second half of my visa. Wonder how this will go. I don't have any back to back visas in my passport, and I don't have any visa exemptions. I do have multiple double entry tourist visas over many years. Visa was acquired from home country, not a border country in Asia. you'll be fine. youre not doing an Out/In That is wrong info. He is doing an out/in just not an instant one... It says nothing about them clamping down only on instant turnaround entries, it said they are clamping down on EVERYONE with multiple visas in their passport from re-entering on a tourist visa. So I would say he is NOT going to be OK. Remember Sunday where many were refused entry with visas issued in KL?.... That wasn't an instant turnaround out/in situation, but they still got refused.... because they had other tourist visas in their passports. I think at best he has a 50/50 chance of getting back in, and all down to the officer on the border at the time. You can't even ask immigration for advice because nothing is consistent, any day at any time they can just say NO at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYJAYDEE Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm on double entry tourist visa spending a week in Vietnam and arriving back to Thailand on 14th for second half of my visa. Wonder how this will go. I don't have any back to back visas in my passport, and I don't have any visa exemptions. I do have multiple double entry tourist visas over many years. Visa was acquired from home country, not a border country in Asia. you'll be fine. youre not doing an Out/In That is wrong info. He is doing an out/in just not an instant one... It says nothing about them clamping down only on instant turnaround entries, it said they are clamping down on EVERYONE with multiple visas in their passport from re-entering on a tourist visa. So I would say he is NOT going to be OK. Remember Sunday where many were refused entry with visas issued in KL?.... That wasn't an instant turnaround out/in situation, but they still got refused.... because they had other tourist visas in their passports. I think at best he has a 50/50 chance of getting back in, and all down to the officer on the border at the time. You can't even ask immigration for advice because nothing is consistent, any day at any time they can just say NO at will. as far as I read, those folks had just acquired NEW visas. this case is a guy entering on the second entry of an existing visa. not the same at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm on double entry tourist visa spending a week in Vietnam and arriving back to Thailand on 14th for second half of my visa. Wonder how this will go. I don't have any back to back visas in my passport, and I don't have any visa exemptions. I do have multiple double entry tourist visas over many years. Visa was acquired from home country, not a border country in Asia. you'll be fine. youre not doing an Out/In That is wrong info. He is doing an out/in just not an instant one... It says nothing about them clamping down only on instant turnaround entries, it said they are clamping down on EVERYONE with multiple visas in their passport from re-entering on a tourist visa. So I would say he is NOT going to be OK. Remember Sunday where many were refused entry with visas issued in KL?.... That wasn't an instant turnaround out/in situation, but they still got refused.... because they had other tourist visas in their passports. I think at best he has a 50/50 chance of getting back in, and all down to the officer on the border at the time. You can't even ask immigration for advice because nothing is consistent, any day at any time they can just say NO at will. If you actually read the article, they were only refused at the land border. They were instructed to go back to KL, buy an airline ticket and fly in. Therefore, all visa holders were ultimately NOT denied entry into Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostsoul49 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm on double entry tourist visa spending a week in Vietnam and arriving back to Thailand on 14th for second half of my visa. Wonder how this will go. I don't have any back to back visas in my passport, and I don't have any visa exemptions. I do have multiple double entry tourist visas over many years. Visa was acquired from home country, not a border country in Asia. you'll be fine. youre not doing an Out/In How do you define Out/In though? I'll be in Vietnam for 7 days. Is Out/In about people who cross back the same day? 1 day? 3 days? 1 week? I wish the immigration rules were clearer. I would say it is discretionary but in most other countries where they already have clampdowns on out/in it is between 3 and 6 months. Just to make sure you don't have a regular job here ilegaly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 96tehtarp Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Wonder what will happen to all those foreigners that are married, have children, but don't have enough money to get a Non-Imm visa based on marriage. Will Immigration start splitting up families? No I don't think so. A one year NON-IMM Multiple entry visa costs only 5000 baht and is valid for a year. A man who is married and or with children should be able to scratch that together. When in a real financial jam the married foreigner can always get a 60 day extension for the low price of 1900 baht. What's clear is married people are no longer going to be able to live here using back to back visa exempt/tourist visa extensions. Edited July 15, 2014 by 96tehtarp 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYJAYDEE Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm on double entry tourist visa spending a week in Vietnam and arriving back to Thailand on 14th for second half of my visa. Wonder how this will go. I don't have any back to back visas in my passport, and I don't have any visa exemptions. I do have multiple double entry tourist visas over many years. Visa was acquired from home country, not a border country in Asia. you'll be fine. youre not doing an Out/In How do you define Out/In though? I'll be in Vietnam for 7 days. Is Out/In about people who cross back the same day? 1 day? 3 days? 1 week? I wish the immigration rules were clearer. I would say it is discretionary but in most other countries where they already have clampdowns on out/in it is between 3 and 6 months. Just to make sure you don't have a regular job here ilegaly. what countries specify 3 to 6 months between ENTRIES on the same visa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BKKSnowBird Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 Wonder what will happen to all those foreigners that are married, have children, but don't have enough money to get a Non-Imm visa based on marriage. Will Immigration start splitting up families? You only need 40K/month for a visa based on marriage or a kid. Even an English teacher makes that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KarenBravo Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Wonder what will happen to all those foreigners that are married, have children, but don't have enough money to get a Non-Imm visa based on marriage. Will Immigration start splitting up families? No I don't think so. A one year NON-IMM Multiple entry visa costs only 5000 baht and is valid for a year. A man who is married and or with children should be able to scratch that together. When in a real financial jam the married foreigner can always get a 60 day extension for the low price of 1900 baht. What's clear is married people are no longer going to be able to live here using back to back visa except/tourist visa extensions. No, they need to show 400,000 Bt per annum, or monthly equivalent. Edited July 15, 2014 by KarenBravo 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pinkpanther99 Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) People are getting confused. For me, this is further confirmation on the story Thai Visa posted yesterday - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/742573-tourist-visa-holders-denied-entry-to-thailand-and-left-stranded-in-malaysia/ It's a crackdown on people who abuse the visa exempt system and tourist visas, that's all. This is aimed at people who get tourist visas or just nip in and out every few months and end up staying here for a couple of years or more. The line from Immigration yesterday was "you are a tourist for 30 days, no more" which is right IMO. You can't keep on getting tourist visas just so you can stay in Thailand, it isn't the correct visa for that. Times are changing. Will it be ED-Visas next? Edited July 15, 2014 by pinkpanther99 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYJAYDEE Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 People are getting confused. For me, this is further confirmation on the story Thai Visa posted yesterday - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/742573-tourist-visa-holders-denied-entry-to-thailand-and-left-stranded-in-malaysia/ It's a crackdown on people who abuse the visa exempt system and tourist visas, that's all. This is aimed at people who get tourist visas or just nip in and out every few months and end up staying here for a couple of years or more. The line from Immigration yesterday was "you are a tourist for 30 days, no more" which is right IMO. You can't keep on getting tourist visas just so you can stay in Thailand, it isn't the correct visa for that. Times are changing. Will it be ED-Visas next? tourist visas are for 60 days 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostsoul49 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm on double entry tourist visa spending a week in Vietnam and arriving back to Thailand on 14th for second half of my visa. Wonder how this will go. I don't have any back to back visas in my passport, and I don't have any visa exemptions. I do have multiple double entry tourist visas over many years. Visa was acquired from home country, not a border country in Asia. you'll be fine. youre not doing an Out/In That is wrong info. He is doing an out/in just not an instant one... It says nothing about them clamping down only on instant turnaround entries, it said they are clamping down on EVERYONE with multiple visas in their passport from re-entering on a tourist visa. So I would say he is NOT going to be OK. Remember Sunday where many were refused entry with visas issued in KL?.... That wasn't an instant turnaround out/in situation, but they still got refused.... because they had other tourist visas in their passports. I think at best he has a 50/50 chance of getting back in, and all down to the officer on the border at the time. You can't even ask immigration for advice because nothing is consistent, any day at any time they can just say NO at will. If you actually read the article, they were only refused at the land border. They were instructed to go back to KL, buy an airline ticket and fly in. Therefore, all visa holders were ultimately NOT denied entry into Thailand. I DID read the article, and as from next month it includes flying also.... If you read THIS article, then you would know that... wouldn't you. I don't agree with people just saying 'you'll be fine' how the hell do they know he'll be fine? Better to make sure your ass is covered and possibly seek BETTER advice than thaivisa members. It is clear there is a hell of a lot of confusion on here, so best not to have too much faith in the info.... The most important thing is that he said he was arriving back on the 14th, considering it is July 15th one can only assume that his return is 14th August after the airports are included in the clampdown which will be nationwide by that date.... so he could be screwed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nottocus Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 Wonder what will happen to all those foreigners that are married, have children, but don't have enough money to get a Non-Imm visa based on marriage. Will Immigration start splitting up families? I hope so. These guys should have thought about the correct visa before getting married and having kids. A little forward planning/saving may have helped them here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 96tehtarp Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 Wonder what will happen to all those foreigners that are married, have children, but don't have enough money to get a Non-Imm visa based on marriage. Will Immigration start splitting up families? No I don't think so. A one year NON-IMM Multiple entry visa costs only 5000 baht and is valid for a year. A man who is married and or with children should be able to scratch that together. When in a real financial jam the married foreigner can always get a 60 day extension for the low price of 1900 baht. What's clear is married people are no longer going to be able to live here using back to back visa except/tourist visa extensions. No, they need to show 400,000 Bt per annum, or monthly equivalent. No they do not. Not for the visa itself. At the moment the visa can be obtained in Savanakhet without any financial requirements. They need the income 40k monthly - or 400k in the bank for the 12 month extension of stay which is completely different from the visa. The OP makes no mention of Thai immigration refusing in-out entries for people with NON-IMM "O" visas. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkpanther99 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Did anybody read this line in the story: "Visa runners are those who leave Thailand and return immediately for the purpose of extending their stay." Seems pretty clear to me. Exactly right, Udon Joe Although shouldn't this technically read "border runners are those who leave Thailand and return immediately for the purpose of extending their stay." Wouldn't that be a more accurate terminology to use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYJAYDEE Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I DID read the article, and as from next month it includes flying also.... If you read THIS article, then you would know that... wouldn't you. I don't agree with people just saying 'you'll be fine' how the hell do they know he'll be fine? Better to make sure your ass is covered and possibly seek BETTER advice than thaivisa members. It is clear there is a hell of a lot of confusion on here, so best not to have too much faith in the info.... The most important thing is that he said he was arriving back on the 14th, considering it is July 15th one can only assume that his return is 14th August after the airports are included in the clampdown which will be nationwide by that date.... so he could be screwed. the article said NOTHING about using the second entry of a double entry tourist visa after a weeks trip outside the country. you are upsetting the guy unnecessarily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostsoul49 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Did anybody read this line in the story: "Visa runners are those who leave Thailand and return immediately for the purpose of extending their stay." Seems pretty clear to me. No.... This is not what immigration is saying or how they are categorizing who they are cracking down on. This is what the writer of the OP is saying to explain to the reader what a 'visa runner' is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSiemReaper Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm wondering how this nonsense will apply to those of us who live next door (in Cambodia)... many of us come to Bangkok regularly throughout the year (normally on visa exemption) for a few days to enjoy "big city" life and stock up on the things we can't get in the Reap. Will we be accused of staying in Thailand because we have a hat full of visa-exempt or tourist visa stamps in our passports? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 96tehtarp Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm wondering how this nonsense will apply to those of us who live next door (in Cambodia)... many of us come to Bangkok regularly throughout the year (normally on visa exemption) for a few days to enjoy "big city" life and stock up on the things we can't get in the Reap. Will we be accused of staying in Thailand because we have a hat full of visa-exempt or tourist visa stamps in our passports? The entry-exit stamp history you describe in your passport proves that you are not someone in the targeted group. You should have nothing to worry about. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivas Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I assume the Out/In that takes place on a double or triple entry tourist visa will not fit the criteria for refusal Well yes if its back to back usage ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kaorop Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 In other words We only want illegal Khmer, Lao and Burmese workers, who work for peanuts in appalling conditions. Not those pesky farang illegals who want more than locals. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrWorldwide Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 @lostsoul49, of all the news items posted here over the last week or so, I find this the least confusing of all but in some respects the most alarming. The Sungkai Kolok thread re tourist visa holders being told to get on a plane (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/742573-tourist-visa-holders-denied-entry-to-thailand-and-left-stranded-in-malaysia/) generated the usual hornet's nest of claims and counter-claims re who has the 'right' to be in Thailand longterm and who doesnt, but I didnt see anything new in any of it. What we have here is confirmation that IOs at the airports will be scrutinising passports with a view to denying new arrivals access to Thailand. I would imagine that queues at Swampy and DM are quite reasonable ATM - dont know about Phuket and dont particularly care - but that will begin to ramp up by October/November. The prospect of having to stand in one of those queues while 30 or 40 people before me are grilled over their passport histories - and some are led away for further action - holds zero appeal for me. The workload for Immigration and the airlines will be enormous if this is anything more than a scare campaign - and I imagine Immigration will have to show some teeth on August 13 if its to be anything else. Regional airlines who have previously had a blase attitude to return flights - and I'm looking at you, AA - will now have to rethink that policy. So you wait longer at the check-in counter while confused passengers are arguing over the 'new' policy and you wait longer at the airport in Thailand - not the best day you've ever had in the air. Long story short, I'm staying right here until at least mid-September and I may simply elect to do my 90-day report at Jomtien and remain in the country until I get credible reports that they've eased off on this crackdown. For those who have to leave the country - regardless of your visa status etc - my thoughts are with you when the plane lands post August 12. If you can schedule at 3am arrival, so much the better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANICMINER Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Wonder what will happen to all those foreigners that are married, have children, but don't have enough money to get a Non-Imm visa based on marriage. Will Immigration start splitting up families? No I don't think so. A one year NON-IMM Multiple entry visa costs only 5000 baht and is valid for a year. A man who is married and or with children should be able to scratch that together. When in a real financial jam the married foreigner can always get a 60 day extension for the low price of 1900 baht. What's clear is married people are no longer going to be able to live here using back to back visa except/tourist visa extensions. No, they need to show 400,000 Bt per annum, or monthly equivalent. You are referring to a visa extension. If you are on a non o multiple entry visa, you will have no problems re-entering, as they are cracking down on visa exempts and tourist visas. you should take your marriage certificate and 20k baht, just in case they ask, but you probably won't need it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lostsoul49 Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Wonder what will happen to all those foreigners that are married, have children, but don't have enough money to get a Non-Imm visa based on marriage. Will Immigration start splitting up families? I hope so. These guys should have thought about the correct visa before getting married and having kids. A little forward planning/saving may have helped them here. You hope that families are split up?? You are a dreadful person. What about the kids losing their father.... their fault as well eh???? Your bitterness is unique and I m glad I don't think I have had to suffer meeting someone with your thought process. Maybe one day we will see you back on here whining because your own category is being rinsed by the xenophobic Thai immigration. My personal opinion is live and let live, these people are seldom terrible people whom probably do no harm to anyone, and you wish them a downfall?? More like Thailand needs rid of people like YOU!!!! Edited July 15, 2014 by lostsoul49 67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYJAYDEE Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Wonder what will happen to all those foreigners that are married, have children, but don't have enough money to get a Non-Imm visa based on marriage. Will Immigration start splitting up families? I hope so. These guys should have thought about the correct visa before getting married and having kids. A little forward planning/saving may have helped them here. You hope that families are split up?? You are a dreadful person. What about the kids losing their father.... their fault as well eh???? Your bitterness is unique and I m glad I don't think I have had to suffer meeting someone with your thought process. Maybe one day we will see you back on here whining because your own category is being rinsed by the xenophobic Thai immigration. My personal opinion is live and let live, these people are seldom terrible people and you wish them a downfall?? More like Thailand needs rid of people like YOU!!!! the father is perfectly capable of obtaining immigration for his children to his own country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Off topic and highly speculative post removed, as well as responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWorldwide Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm wondering how this nonsense will apply to those of us who live next door (in Cambodia)... many of us come to Bangkok regularly throughout the year (normally on visa exemption) for a few days to enjoy "big city" life and stock up on the things we can't get in the Reap. Will we be accused of staying in Thailand because we have a hat full of visa-exempt or tourist visa stamps in our passports? Initially, I think that's a possibility - the officers on the southern border appear to have over-reacted to the instructions they were given purely to 'send a message', but logic says that your exemptions will be separated by at least a month - that hardly lines up with their definition of a 'visa runner'. If anything, you could use your time here to advise those who seem to be looking at Cambodia as the alternative to Thailand, particularly the fellow who naively suggested in another thread that Cambo might be the 'Thailand' he wants to live in. Swings and roundabouts but we just want the swings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYJAYDEE Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I assume the Out/In that takes place on a double or triple entry tourist visa will not fit the criteria for refusal Well yes if its back to back usage ?? there is no indication that will be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheSiemReaper Posted July 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2014 There's always a lot of spite in the expat community between those who "played the game properly" and those who didn't. I've never been sure why that is. Surely no-one really wants other expats arrested or their families broken up because someone didn't do their paperwork? I understand the point from the Thai government - immigration rules are immigration rules but not so much from others who are NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST BIT affected by the actions of the people they are so keen to wish misfortune on. When I lived in China; I was, theoretically entitled to a spousal visa (long-term one), unfortunately the Chinese government decided to withdraw these for the period covering the Olympics, through the Asian Games and right up until the end of the Shenzhen Unversiade Games (a period of 4 years or so). I was left living on 1 year business visas because I could not get my real paperwork processed. Should I have been denied access to my wife and family because of that? Except for that I've been an expat for more than a decade now (in different countries) and have always held the correct visa paperwork (and in some cases - National ID too). We should strive to be legal because it's less of a headache than not being legal. We shouldn't condemn others for their choices unless we've spent some time walking in their shoes to understand their choices. 38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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