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[some one asked for an example ...I gave one ... and your excuse is?coffee1.gif .....

No. Someone ask for an "example where a double entry tourist visa has been refused after a 7 day trip out".

No such "7 days period" in your example...

Where is the talk about eliminating the retirement visa?

There is no "retirement visa". How could they eliminate it?

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I'm wondering how this nonsense will apply to those of us who live next door (in Cambodia)... many of us come to Bangkok regularly throughout the year (normally on visa exemption) for a few days to enjoy "big city" life and stock up on the things we can't get in the Reap. Will we be accused of staying in Thailand because we have a hat full of visa-exempt or tourist visa stamps in our passports?

Initially, I think that's a possibility - the officers on the southern border appear to have over-reacted to the instructions they were given purely to 'send a message', but logic says that your exemptions will be separated by at least a month - that hardly lines up with their definition of a 'visa runner'. If anything, you could use your time here to advise those who seem to be looking at Cambodia as the alternative to Thailand, particularly the fellow who naively suggested in another thread that Cambo might be the 'Thailand' he wants to live in. Swings and roundabouts but we just want the swings biggrin.png

If you check the Cambodia section - I do offer advice on those who want to move this way... :-) Cambodia isn't Thailand (not even close despite the physical proximity) but it is a viable option for me.

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In other words

We only want illegal Khmer, Lao and Burmese workers, who work for peanuts in appalling conditions.

Not those pesky farang illegals who want more than locals.

The crackdown applies to all Aliens.

The Khmer, Lao and Burmese all need to get legal too. About a week ago 200,000 Cambodian nationals left Thailand to go home and get documented.

The Cambodian government even went so far as to slash the cost of passports in order to help them out.

At the immigration center in my jurisdiction 98% of the applicants are Khmer, Lao and Burmese. My estimate is 2% are farang.

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There's always a lot of spite in the expat community between those who "played the game properly" and those who didn't. I've never been sure why that is. Surely no-one really wants other expats arrested or their families broken up because someone didn't do their paperwork? I understand the point from the Thai government - immigration rules are immigration rules but not so much from others who are NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST BIT affected by the actions of the people they are so keen to wish misfortune on.

When I lived in China; I was, theoretically entitled to a spousal visa (long-term one), unfortunately the Chinese government decided to withdraw these for the period covering the Olympics, through the Asian Games and right up until the end of the Shenzhen Unversiade Games (a period of 4 years or so). I was left living on 1 year business visas because I could not get my real paperwork processed. Should I have been denied access to my wife and family because of that? Except for that I've been an expat for more than a decade now (in different countries) and have always held the correct visa paperwork (and in some cases - National ID too). We should strive to be legal because it's less of a headache than not being legal. We shouldn't condemn others for their choices unless we've spent some time walking in their shoes to understand their choices.

no one is condeming anyone for undone paperwork. its the folks that have been doing the 30 day visa exemption run that some seem so down on

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There's always a lot of spite in the expat community between those who "played the game properly" and those who didn't. I've never been sure why that is. Surely no-one really wants other expats arrested or their families broken up because someone didn't do their paperwork? I understand the point from the Thai government - immigration rules are immigration rules but not so much from others who are NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST BIT affected by the actions of the people they are so keen to wish misfortune on.

When I lived in China; I was, theoretically entitled to a spousal visa (long-term one), unfortunately the Chinese government decided to withdraw these for the period covering the Olympics, through the Asian Games and right up until the end of the Shenzhen Unversiade Games (a period of 4 years or so). I was left living on 1 year business visas because I could not get my real paperwork processed. Should I have been denied access to my wife and family because of that? Except for that I've been an expat for more than a decade now (in different countries) and have always held the correct visa paperwork (and in some cases - National ID too). We should strive to be legal because it's less of a headache than not being legal. We shouldn't condemn others for their choices unless we've spent some time walking in their shoes to understand their choices.

no one is condeming anyone for undone paperwork. its the folks that have been doing the 30 day visa exemption run that some seem so down on

That is undone paperwork. Visa running has long been a viable option in Thailand; they're only plugging the loophole now because they can afford to send the visa runners on their way now that Thailand is a stable(ish) middle-income nation.

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There's always a lot of spite in the expat community between those who "played the game properly" and those who didn't. I've never been sure why that is. Surely no-one really wants other expats arrested or their families broken up because someone didn't do their paperwork? I understand the point from the Thai government - immigration rules are immigration rules but not so much from others who are NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST BIT affected by the actions of the people they are so keen to wish misfortune on.

When I lived in China; I was, theoretically entitled to a spousal visa (long-term one), unfortunately the Chinese government decided to withdraw these for the period covering the Olympics, through the Asian Games and right up until the end of the Shenzhen Unversiade Games (a period of 4 years or so). I was left living on 1 year business visas because I could not get my real paperwork processed. Should I have been denied access to my wife and family because of that? Except for that I've been an expat for more than a decade now (in different countries) and have always held the correct visa paperwork (and in some cases - National ID too). We should strive to be legal because it's less of a headache than not being legal. We shouldn't condemn others for their choices unless we've spent some time walking in their shoes to understand their choices.

no one is condeming anyone for undone paperwork. its the folks that have been doing the 30 day visa exemption run that some seem so down on

That is undone paperwork. Visa running has long been a viable option in Thailand; they're only plugging the loophole now because they can afford to send the visa runners on their way now that Thailand is a stable(ish) middle-income nation.

we must be using different dictionaries

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I'm wondering how this nonsense will apply to those of us who live next door (in Cambodia)... many of us come to Bangkok regularly throughout the year (normally on visa exemption) for a few days to enjoy "big city" life and stock up on the things we can't get in the Reap. Will we be accused of staying in Thailand because we have a hat full of visa-exempt or tourist visa stamps in our passports?

The entry-exit stamp history you describe in your passport proves that you are not someone in the targeted group. You should have nothing to worry about.

the critical word being "should" but that's going to be at the whim of the border official at the time.

would think those nearby consulates budgets are going to take a serious hit,

if its correct that that revenue is theirs.

lets say ~100 X ~2000 = 200,000 bht per day, (just speculation) that's a big chunk of change

of course until word gets out to the tourists, the consulate will still issue visas with the full knowledge they wont be let back in.

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Basically...

If they are happy to refuse a nice new shiny unused 60 day visa at the border.....

Then there is no way they are going to have a problem refusing the second entry of an 60 day double that the holder has already enjoyed a decent length of time in the kingdom already from.

Ignore AYJAYDEE I doubt it makes any difference between new and unused and already 60 to 90 days used visa,... If anything coming for a second entry may prove to be the most dodgy.

But we shall soon see. I think everything will become clearer soon.

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A lot of people are going to lose a lot. Including Thais. This is baby with bath water on steroids. Too inflexible and done too fast. It would be OK if there were now easier "real" visas, work permits, including legalization of online freelancing, etc. But there is not. On the condo market, no kidding, this is really bad for places like Pattaya. Cause and effect clearly not well considered on this one.

having lived in pattaya for over 20 years i dont know any condo owner that is a visa runner.

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no one is condeming anyone for undone paperwork. its the folks that have been doing the 30 day visa exemption run that some seem so down on

I'll add that it sure was a lot of fun doing those visa runs. I'll miss them. Some of my best memories in Thailand are from one of many trips to various border crossing getting my in-out 30 day exemptions. It was a hoot.

The OP confirms those days are over.

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A lot of people are going to lose a lot. Including Thais. This is baby with bath water on steroids. Too inflexible and done too fast. It would be OK if there were now easier "real" visas, work permits, including legalization of online freelancing, etc. But there is not. On the condo market, no kidding, this is really bad for places like Pattaya. Cause and effect clearly not well considered on this one.

having lived in pattaya for over 20 years i dont know any condo owner that is a visa runner.

that will depend on how they define visa runner. perhaps it will go as far as quick in/out trips on multiple entry visas someday!

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care to show ONE example where a double entry tourist visa has been refused after a 7 day trip out?

No one knows, that's the point, who wants to be the first?

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Did anybody read this line in the story: "Visa runners are those who leave Thailand and return immediately for the purpose of extending their stay."

Seems pretty clear to me.

I hope you're right, Joe.

The only potential problem is, that language isn't a quote from any Immigration official or even put forward as a paraphrase of something any of them may have said.

It's simply the wording used by the "journalists" who wrote the article for The Nation -- language that may or may not be actually indicative of what Immigration plans to enforce.

And even if it's correct, as others have asked repeatedly over the past weeks, just how would "immediately" be defined by Immigration? Same day? Next day, 2 days? etc etc etc. I don't believe, in this latest round, we've ever heard any Immigration official specifically define that in terms of what their policy will be.

Who knows, might end up being a big boost for the hotel operators in the border checkpoint areas in adjoining countries, if the standard border run morphs into two or three day "extended weekend" stays.

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