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http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-17960.html

A discussion thread of Muslims in Australia, verifying the in-availability of Halal meat. Take it from the horse's mouth. There is no contradiction. Although as a major producer of Halal meat, it is not abundant on our shelves.

Here is the full article link

http://halaladvocates.net/site/our-resources/australia/

As to your comment about blonde hair and blue eyes, now that's just racist, and in that case I would love to personally burn your passport myself!

Oz

I'm not the one putting the word Aussie in inverted commas, to imply that they aren't really.

As for links, I can play that game too...

http://www.beefcentral.com/trade/australian-beef-as-halal-as-it-gets-middle-eastern-reporters-discover/

This isn't some small specialist market these days, especially as a huge bulk of our meat actually heads to the ME.

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Since we are talking Australia I can only give you hard details about her situation. Safeway or Coles, are the two major chains of supermarkets. They do not sell only Halal products, despite.

Australia is one of the largest meat exporters in the world and is a world leader in halal production. One of its largest export markets is the United States of America, and Australian meat is widely sold all over America in numerous butchers, restaurants, and retailers. The majority of this meat is labeled as ‘halal’ and certified by a Halal organization in Australia. The halal meat industry in America is largely unregulated and there is widespread abuse in the usage of ‘halal’ labels and ‘halal’ certificates. For this reason, it is extremely important for the Muslim community in America to verify the halal status of Australian meat and obtain first-hand information on the halal process in Australia.

So, a simple purchase of any meat requires a specialist butcher be used, which are not 'market price', which is what the school budget allows for. So clearly it is more expensive. Two stores, petrol, time and the cost. I thought perhaps that was self evident.

At what point does the exclusion of a student constitute discrimination? If you have a classroom of 30 and 1 needs Halal or 10 or 26? where is the line drawn? Simply put, it is 1. For if that student can no longer participate in the educational activity due to the inability of the school to provide Halal, in a non-muslim country, that would be blatant discrimination. So, all students must fall in line to meet the needs of one. Freedom of religion is our personal choice and one all our democracies fight to defend, my objection is not anti-muslim, but ant-institutionalization of anyone's religious practices. Should we be made to wear the burkha now to respect our fellow "Aussies"

Oz

When I went to school we had to say the Lord's Prayer before we could eat. Once got slapped across the back of the legs for not doing it too. This was in a public/government school too. Now the government pays for Chaplains in public schools. Institutionalize Leviticus I say.

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http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-17960.html

A discussion thread of Muslims in Australia, verifying the in-availability of Halal meat. Take it from the horse's mouth. There is no contradiction. Although as a major producer of Halal meat, it is not abundant on our shelves.

Here is the full article link

http://halaladvocates.net/site/our-resources/australia/

As to your comment about blonde hair and blue eyes, now that's just racist, and in that case I would love to personally burn your passport myself!

Oz

I'm not the one putting the word Aussie in inverted commas, to imply that they aren't really.

As for links, I can play that game too...

http://www.beefcentral.com/trade/australian-beef-as-halal-as-it-gets-middle-eastern-reporters-discover/

This isn't some small specialist market these days, especially as a huge bulk of our meat actually heads to the ME.

Obviously you didn't bother to actually read the article supporting your post. It is a piece on meat inspection for export of an Australian Halal Exporter. Not, as I said an indication that main stream produce on the shelves of the major supermarkets is Halal. It is still VERY MUCH, a commodity that has to be searched out, and thus is more expensive. Quoting the article even..... After the admittedly difficult to watch process....delegates from the Middle East....

but I don't really enter the killing method argument, I introduced another aspect was all. I'm a firm believer in the old saying. If it walk and talks like a duck, then its a duck. Thus the "Aussies" quote. You and many other have been on this forum deploring Farang who want to live their life like they are in the west and not be Thai, yet can not see a double standard right in front of your face here?

Oz

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Yeah, the Islamist agenda is scary. It's unfortunate that such a large percentage of SE Asians adhere to the oppressive and scary religion. If only southern SE Asia had stayed buddhist...

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Everybody seems to think this all happened 10 minutes ago. I was on ships carrying halal meat from Oz to the Gulf back in the 70s.

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Since we are talking Australia I can only give you hard details about her situation. Safeway or Coles, are the two major chains of supermarkets. They do not sell only Halal products, despite.

Australia is one of the largest meat exporters in the world and is a world leader in halal production. One of its largest export markets is the United States of America, and Australian meat is widely sold all over America in numerous butchers, restaurants, and retailers. The majority of this meat is labeled as ‘halal’ and certified by a Halal organization in Australia. The halal meat industry in America is largely unregulated and there is widespread abuse in the usage of ‘halal’ labels and ‘halal’ certificates. For this reason, it is extremely important for the Muslim community in America to verify the halal status of Australian meat and obtain first-hand information on the halal process in Australia.

So, a simple purchase of any meat requires a specialist butcher be used, which are not 'market price', which is what the school budget allows for. So clearly it is more expensive. Two stores, petrol, time and the cost. I thought perhaps that was self evident.

At what point does the exclusion of a student constitute discrimination? If you have a classroom of 30 and 1 needs Halal or 10 or 26? where is the line drawn? Simply put, it is 1. For if that student can no longer participate in the educational activity due to the inability of the school to provide Halal, in a non-muslim country, that would be blatant discrimination. So, all students must fall in line to meet the needs of one. Freedom of religion is our personal choice and one all our democracies fight to defend, my objection is not anti-muslim, but ant-institutionalization of anyone's religious practices. Should we be made to wear the burkha now to respect our fellow "Aussies"

Oz

When I went to school we had to say the Lord's Prayer before we could eat. Once got slapped across the back of the legs for not doing it too. This was in a public/government school too. Now the government pays for Chaplains in public schools. Institutionalize Leviticus I say.

And as of today, schools are no longer permitted to show any religious decorations, such as Easter, XMas as it may offend. How the pendulum has swung!!

Oz

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http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-17960.html

A discussion thread of Muslims in Australia, verifying the in-availability of Halal meat. Take it from the horse's mouth. There is no contradiction. Although as a major producer of Halal meat, it is not abundant on our shelves.

Here is the full article link

http://halaladvocates.net/site/our-resources/australia/

As to your comment about blonde hair and blue eyes, now that's just racist, and in that case I would love to personally burn your passport myself!

Oz

I'm not the one putting the word Aussie in inverted commas, to imply that they aren't really.

As for links, I can play that game too...

http://www.beefcentral.com/trade/australian-beef-as-halal-as-it-gets-middle-eastern-reporters-discover/

This isn't some small specialist market these days, especially as a huge bulk of our meat actually heads to the ME.

Obviously you didn't bother to actually read the article supporting your post. It is a piece on meat inspection for export of an Australian Halal Exporter. Not, as I said an indication that main stream produce on the shelves of the major supermarkets is Halal. It is still VERY MUCH, a commodity that has to be searched out, and thus is more expensive. Quoting the article even..... After the admittedly difficult to watch process....delegates from the Middle East....

but I don't really enter the killing method argument, I introduced another aspect was all. I'm a firm believer in the old saying. If it walk and talks like a duck, then its a duck. Thus the "Aussies" quote. You and many other have been on this forum deploring Farang who want to live their life like they are in the west and not be Thai, yet can not see a double standard right in front of your face here?

Oz

I actually have no problem with farangs living life here as they do in the west. I really don't. I certainly enjoyed a tolerant attitude in OZ growing up towards my family who imported many things to australia culture and language wise. Some of my aunts and uncles don't speak much English after 35 years there, but they have worked their entire lives.

I do have problems with people here on TV when they then have a go about the perceived failings of foreigners 'back home'. It's the hypocrisy not the actual way of life I have issues with.

I've actually said time and again, if you want to have a successful life in Thailand, don't do things very much different that what you do at home. Follow the rules, drive properly, don't try and scam the system and you'll find that life in Thailand is actually quite pleasant.

Do I think people should try and learn the language? Sure, it helps a lot. But I'm not going to force anyone.

I guess in just more of an accommodating bloke that you are. Just trying to afford to others the latitude and understanding which was shown to my family when I was growing up in OZ.

And I still don't get your walk like a duck comment. You mean if they wear a Burkah or hijab they aren't Aussies?

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Yeah, the Islamist agenda is scary. It's unfortunate that such a large percentage of SE Asians adhere to the oppressive and scary religion. If only southern SE Asia had stayed buddhist...

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/opinion/el-indio-true-caliphate/#.U8xt6b-PIeA.facebook

Interesting piece.

Don't agree with it all, but thought provoking.

Oz

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Everybody seems to think this all happened 10 minutes ago. I was on ships carrying halal meat from Oz to the Gulf back in the 70s.

I think 60 Minutes or A Current Affair did a big expose of the inhumane way those sheep were being treated .

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Everybody seems to think this all happened 10 minutes ago. I was on ships carrying halal meat from Oz to the Gulf back in the 70s.

I think 60 Minutes or A Current Affair did a big expose of the inhumane way those sheep were being treated .

The ships I was on carried dead sheep in reefers. There wasn't much chance to treat them inhumanely.

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Everybody seems to think this all happened 10 minutes ago. I was on ships carrying halal meat from Oz to the Gulf back in the 70s.

I think 60 Minutes or A Current Affair did a big expose of the inhumane way those sheep were being treated .

The ships I was on carried dead sheep in reefers. There wasn't much chance to treat them inhumanely.

I thought the Arab states insisted that the sheep were shipped alive. Maybe that came later.

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dont understand the point really; so what?

for jews in thailand it helps cause no pork, and the slaughter is similar (for observant jews its a no go , but for those like my son who just dont eat pork or shellfish, its fine)...

i ate in halal food venues in ayuthaya; so what?

half the stuff americans buy also has a K FOR KOSHER on it and they dont notice... for those that it is important to them, they notice, otherwise, who cares.

funnily enough, the arab guys (muslems all) who work with us att he hotel are all religious (not fanatic, just religious) filled their suitcase up with instant soups and stuff from here (kosher, not halal, but same same) cause they didnt trust any food in thaialnd at all (dog, cat tiger, they are pretty ignorant about it all); when i suggested that they go to halal restaraunts, they didnt even know there are muslems in thailand or halal food.

i was the one to search and find info for them.

when we go out on worker fun days, its all kosher to encompass all the 'no eating pork' contigency and also the jewish side of the 'not mixing meat and milk' as there is one group of muslems in one village who do not mix milk and meat either (they cant explain why, maybe they had jewish family members as well who knows)...

so if i come from our little 'war torn' country and dont care about halal in stores, why shoudl you?

"so if i come from our little 'war torn' country and dont care about halal in stores, why shoudl you?"

I'm really sorry that your friends and family are living in a war torn area. I read your other post about incoming rockets. I'm sorry.

About the Halai food, I just watched some videos of animals being killed. I've never seen such cruelty to animals and I refuse to support that with my money, and I refuse to eat that meat.

If I and the men I grew up around on a large cattle ranch caught someone doing that....

Nevermind.

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Since we are talking Australia I can only give you hard details about her situation. Safeway or Coles, are the two major chains of supermarkets. They do not sell only Halal products, despite.

Australia is one of the largest meat exporters in the world and is a world leader in halal production. One of its largest export markets is the United States of America, and Australian meat is widely sold all over America in numerous butchers, restaurants, and retailers. The majority of this meat is labeled as halal and certified by a Halal organization in Australia. The halal meat industry in America is largely unregulated and there is widespread abuse in the usage of halal labels and halal certificates. For this reason, it is extremely important for the Muslim community in America to verify the halal status of Australian meat and obtain first-hand information on the halal process in Australia.

So, a simple purchase of any meat requires a specialist butcher be used, which are not 'market price', which is what the school budget allows for. So clearly it is more expensive. Two stores, petrol, time and the cost. I thought perhaps that was self evident.

At what point does the exclusion of a student constitute discrimination? If you have a classroom of 30 and 1 needs Halal or 10 or 26? where is the line drawn? Simply put, it is 1. For if that student can no longer participate in the educational activity due to the inability of the school to provide Halal, in a non-muslim country, that would be blatant discrimination. So, all students must fall in line to meet the needs of one. Freedom of religion is our personal choice and one all our democracies fight to defend, my objection is not anti-muslim, but ant-institutionalization of anyone's religious practices. Should we be made to wear the burkha now to respect our fellow "Aussies"

Oz

In my home country some schools no longer serve pork for the kids. As it is too costly to have both pork and beef served together - according to the schools.

So obviously the need to cater to muslim kids means denying the local kids pork, which is an ingredient in quite a few national dishes.

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